I wish I were computer literate- like you intelligent people are this board. could someone please post the site of this monstrous FB facility in process in hotlanta. it will, at least, have jerry running to his architect's office .
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This one's great too. Wish we had one like it... New NFL venues are like gargantuan, gaudy arenas. US Bank Stadium below...
Just my opinion but football is meant to be played in the elements
The Georgia Dome is only 9 years older than Heinz Field.
These new palaces are what the Rooney's will build in Washington County or Butler County. A retractable roof = Super Bowl, Final Four, and lower level bowl game
These new palaces are what the Rooney's will build in Washington County or Butler County. A retractable roof = Super Bowl, Final Four, and lower level bowl game
I tend to agree with you as Lambeau is about perfect. But I'd love for our city to be able to host a Superbowl, Final Four, maybe even a bowl game. I don't see it happening here with the way the Steelers try to squeeze even small upgrades out of the taxpayers. It would take a new owner with deeper pockets.
I've never been to an indoor football game and I never want to go to one.
The hot days of late August early Sept and the cold of Oct-late Nov are great.
The wind, snow, frozen rain,etc are all part of the game.
The hot days of late August early Sept and the cold of Oct-late Nov are great.
The wind, snow, frozen rain,etc are all part of the game.
What is the fascination with pushing the Steelers out of the city? Concerns with the stadium is something that only seems to happen on Pitt message boards. Have never seen this mentality on Steelers boards.
IMO that would be a really bad move.
The Northshore is a fun happening place that out of town Steelers fans like us and visiting fans love.
Park the car for the weekend go to a Pirates game in Sept or a PENS game eat, drink, and be merry.
Lots of hotels and fun hanging out places.
fyi all you locals call the Northshore "The City." Its not a city its like a really nice busy suburb. Cities are crime ridden, dirty, with more people speaking languages other than English.
Thats not the Northshore. If you want to visit a city go to NY, Philly, Chicago, or LA.
Be happy with what you have. I think Heinz is a great venue for the Steelers (wish Pitt could put more people in it). After Atlanta screwed the pooch and allowed the Braves to leave for the suburbs for what would have been a pittance, Arthur Blank held the City up for the new stadium. Off the top of my head, the public got stuck with a $300M bill plus PSLs (we've never had them) for the stadium that is rumored to be $1B and Arthur Blank controls the new stadium, parking, etc. In the meanwhile, the Georgia Dome is only about 25 years old. Its problem? Not enough luxury boxes for the rich to play in. Other than that, it was a fine venue. What happened to the idea that stadiums could last 50+ years????
Stadiums that were built before 1980
Lambeau
Soldier Field (though essentially rebuilt except for facade)
Oakland Coliseum (team likely moving)
Rich Stadium (likely replaced in near future)
Superdome
Am I missing any?
Stadiums certainly don't last like they used to but I do think many of the current stadiums will last a long time. All of the older stadiums were demolished largely because they were impossible to retrofit them for the large number of suites and amenities owners demand. All of the newer stadiums have plenty of room for suites. The only way I think stadiums like Heinz see short lifespans is if building enclosed stadiums becomes the norm and not the exception.
Because it's a fantasy that they have, that if it were to happen Heinz Field would be destroyed in the process and Pitt would have to build a new stadium.
Yes, the Steelers will be playing at Heinz Field 30 years from now, right??? I hope you don't believe that. They will either have a new stadium or have a massive upgrade of Heinz to the point you wont even recognize it (like Soldier Field).
In the end, I think the Steelers use other counties' offers as leverage and build their palace on the North Shore on the site of old Three Rivers Stadium. The irony is that would probably be better for Pitt because the stadium would include excellent downsizing technology like Atlanta United FC will use when it plays in the Falcons' new stadium.
I have no idea if they'll be playing in Heinz Field as is, an upgraded Hf, or a brand new stadium.
I do, however, highly doubt that they'll be leaving the area.
And i know in the extremely unlikely event that they do leave, Heinz Field isn't going to disappear, which is the narrative some Pitt fans here want to propagate.
Retracable roof will improve attendance here. A forecast of rain or clod weather scares thousands of fsns away here in Pittsburgh. Fans are just softer than they used to be. Add in High Def TV's its too easy to stay home for many.
In reality, if the Steelers moved to the suburbs, Heinz Field would be torn down and Pitt would be stuck following them.
i agree with you but thousands of fans dont. Bad weather equals no shows for Steelers and Pitt.
Waste of money. How many times do teams actually open the roof? I believe only five will have them after the Falcons open their new stadium.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next couple years when the lease gets close to the end. I know this, Dan Rooney won't be around and the Steelers will want something. Either a new stadium or a massive renovation. It remains to be seen if the Allegheny county has the funds and will to fund it or if one of the suburbs decides to take a run at them. I could ser a proposal for a new stadium built by the meadows for example.
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Um, actually, the North Shore is the city. Just like Downtown is the city and Homewood is the city, and Oakland is the city. What makes it a city is partly that it has different neighborhoods, with different types of people, with different ethnic heritages and different income levels. Some people like that kind of environment.
Arrowhead, although it had significant upgrades recently.
Qualcomm, although the Chargers are now gone.
Ok, dumb question here but why does the Minnesota visual have a big gopher logo on the right field wall? I'm assuming the twins will play ball there too. Gophers baseball isn't going to share this facility, are they? And if so, wouldn't the twins want their logo on the wall?
Gophers baseball will play there as a part of the stadium, not the Twins. They have their own stadium.
How many times ? When it rains or snows. It becomes functional year round and pussy fans go to all games and stay the whole game. Example.... Steller fans.
The Atlanta Falcons - with absolutely zero history of success - just put a gun to taxpayers heads and got money for a stadium.
The Oakland Raiders - who have stunk on ice for a decade with the exception - held a gun to the heads of Nevada taxpayers and just got $700 million.
If you think the same won't happen here you're kidding yourselves.
The Oakland Raiders - who have stunk on ice for a decade with the exception - held a gun to the heads of Nevada taxpayers and just got $700 million.
If you think the same won't happen here you're kidding yourselves.
Arrowhead, don't know how I forgot that one. It's a beauty of stadium and probably lasts another decade or two (like it's neighbor Kauffman) given its great design and uniqueness. Besides the yellow seats the two things that stand out about Heinz to me (not in a good way) when comparing to other newer stadiums is the huge independent upper decks and the lack of a middle deck (as opposed to just the two we have) that most stadiums now have. For whatever reason those two items make it seem more spartan to me, even if it not. Looks like it was built on the cheap when comparing it to a stadium built at the same time like Baltimore or Seattle's stadium.
Actually not the Nevada taxpayers, that part of the stadium fund will be raised with a room tax on tourists.
Agree with your premise though, except for places like San Diego that don't care that much cities will continue to be held hostage by these teams.
A "forecast" of LOSING is what keeps fans away. They might use weather as a complementary excuse when that's the case. But for a great team that is competing for championships, weather doesn't bother em. Two of the biggest Pitt crowds (other than ND or PSU) at Heinz were brutally cold and/or snowy night and days: VT in 03 and Cincinnati in 09. Because we had close to a relevant team playing for something both times.
You are using a conference championship game and an ESPN Gameday game for a Top 20 Pitt team vs #2. Uh, yea, sure, if we have games like that, the weather wont matter but how often is that going to happen.
What if its 50 and rainy and we are playing 3-3 Virginia? There are 10 times more of those games.
You cant just say to just win and they will come out no matter what. Every other team is trying to win too. Pitt was 6-4 and having a really nice season and the fans stayed home for the Duke and Syr because it was too cold.
I like the elements....Lambeau is still the best. But for those that want protection from the elements, Seattle's stadium is perfect mix....protect the fans from the precip, leave the field exposed. The overhanging roofs also serve to make it a very loud place to play.
I like the idea of attracting big events with a roof but I don't think such a venue would ever recoup the added expense.
I like the idea of attracting big events with a roof but I don't think such a venue would ever recoup the added expense.
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When you are 6-4 and have at that point, beaten 2 Top 10 teams, one of which is your hated rival, that's a really nice season.
Retractable roof = 5K-10K more fans for those games
Not really. 6-4 is average. It just is. Nice to have big wins, but it doesn't move the needle and there was nothing on the line, which was the point the poster is making. I doubt the weather in the stadium makes even remotely close to a 5k-10k patron difference. The weather in general? It makes some difference, but not that much. The fans just aren't going to come out for a 6-4 team with nothing to play for against bad teams.
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