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** This probably won’t be a season where I will be offering post game comments all year long. After all, how many different times and ways can someone say how bad a team is?

** Nonetheless, I'll go at it again this evening, because there might be a few things that we can eke out of it.

** First, as much as many of us were grumbling (or worse) during the game, when the final whistle sounded the score ended up right about where I thought it would be when game started. Again, we aren’t a good team at all, and a close game against Monmouth is just about our speed.

** But what is more problematic was the journey we took to the four point loss, which was one of the worst first halves I’ve ever witnessed at the Pete.

** Just before the second half, at the Pete on the scoreboard they played what was announced as “first half highlights.” It was kind of laughable seeing about 30 seconds of 6 made Panther baskets.

** So props to the guys for joining the fight in the second half, but we will never be the kind of team who can come back from 17 point deficits, no matter how much life we finally bring to the floor.

** What it doesn't look like we bring to the floor, in my opinion, is an offense. Sure, we can’t shoot, and we don’t have anyone who comes close to being a natural scorer.

** But there is almost nothing that can be found from Capel’s offense to manufacture points. Everything in on offense is based off the dribble, using an inadequate high ball screen which rarely, if ever, opens the floor for penetration.

** Six assists speaks volumes.

** Speaking of inadequate ball screens, how many times did we watch a high ball screen leave the dribbler trapped in a double team? Too many.

** I almost wonder what Capel’s philosophy is with the high ball screen. With as quickly as all of our screeners roll off it (too quickly), you almost have to wonder if that’s what our guys are being taught.

** Next, Monmouth had a game plan to thwart Pitt’s offensive that worked almost too easily. Force Big John to the baseline as the only place to receive an entry, and then run a flash double team at him from there. And without any kind of workable screen and roll (see above) to get him the ball, what we watched was a whole lot of dribbling without much purpose.

** As the Panthers were mounting their second half comeback, they managed to get some points, but at least three of our second half baskets, including Burton’s three, came from offensive sets that amounted to next to nothing, followed by a player barely making a shot to bail it out. This also happened during another trip when Monmouth bailed us out with a foul with two second on the shot clock.

** I don't think it's much more complicated than all that Capel offers from his offense is nothing more than asking his players to beat their players one on one. And our players just aren't good enough to do this.

** So without any offense, we were left to our defense to win this game. And there was about 32 minutes of defense that was good enough to almost do that. But we failed on that end of floor too, surrendering 18 points in the final 8 minutes of the first half. There was the ballgame, actually.

** Still, with Capel’s move to the zone in the second half, our guys scrapped and clawed the best they can to cut the lead to 5 with Hugley’s free throws with 1:23 to go. At that moment, @Franb (who joined me and @4Mark_Marty ) noticed that we only had 2 team fouls. We all agreed, looking at the timing of everything, it would have been wise to sub in someone like Santos to draw three quick fouls in next few seconds before trying to defend.

** Too bad our staff wasn’t doing the math on the timeclock that Fran was doing because even after a stop and score, there simply was not enough time to extend the game.

** And while I’m looking at coaching tactics for reasons for this loss, maybe the simplest problem is that Monmouth clearly just has better players than we do. That’s the most discouraging comment that I can come up with I suppose.

** I’ll leave it that for the night. Picking Capel apart any further doesn’t do much to explain the current situation any better than a 3-7 record already does.

** Even though I was more or less expecting a loss tonight, I was holding out hope for the Panthers to win these last three OOC games. Now I’m expecting a 4-7 OOC season, which is well … you know. Like I said, I’m running out of words for this.
 
Other than Hugley every other Panther would ride the pine at Monmouth at Monmouth !

There’s not enough young talent on this team to believe that they can improve much , especially once the competition gets better . Hugley is going to get suffocated .

Think focusing on the Pens might be the wisest move this yr !
 
** This probably won’t be a season where I will be offering post game comments all year long. After all, how many different times and ways can someone say how bad a team is?

** Nonetheless, I'll go at it again this evening, because there might be a few things that we can eke out of it.

** First, as much as many of us were grumbling (or worse) during the game, when the final whistle sounded the score ended up right about where I thought it would be when game started. Again, we aren’t a good team at all, and close game against Monmouth is just about our speed.

** But what is more problematic was the journey we took to the four point loss, which was one of the worst first halves I’ve ever witnessed at the Pete.

** Just before the second half, at the Pete on the scoreboard they played what was announced as “first half highlights.” It was kind of laughable seeing about 30 seconds of 6 made Panther baskets.

** So props to the guys for joining the fight in the second half, but we will never be the kind of team who can come back from 17 point deficits, no matter how much life we finally bring to the floor.

** What it doesn't look like we bring to the floor, in my opinion, is an offense. Sure, we can’t shoot, and we don’t have anyone who comes close to being a natural scorer.

** But there is almost nothing that can be found from Capel’s offense to manufacture points. Everything in on offense is based off the dribble, using an inadequate high ball screen which rarely, if ever, opens the floor for penetration.

** Six assists speaks volumes.

** Speaking of inadequate ball screens, how many times did we watch a high ball screen leave the dribbler trapped in a double team? Too many.

** I almost wonder what Capel’s philosophy is with the high ball screen. With as quickly as all of our screeners roll off it (too quickly), you almost have to wonder if that’s what our guys are being taught.

** Next, Monmouth had a game plan to thwart Pitt’s offensive that worked almost too easily. Force Big John to the baseline as the only place to receive an entry, and then run a flash double team at him from there. And without any kind of workable screen and roll (see above) to get him the ball, what we watched was a whole lot of dribbling without much purpose.

** As the Panthers were mounting their second half comeback, they managed to get some points, but at least three of our second half baskets, including Burton’s three, came from offensive sets that amounted to next to nothing, followed by a player barely making a shot to bail it out. This also happened during another trip when Monmouth bailed us out with a foul with two second on the shot clock.

** I don't think it's much more complicated than all that Capel offers from his offense is nothing more than asking his players to beat their players one on one. And our players just aren't good enough to do this.

** So without any offense, we were left to our defense to win this game. And there was about 32 minutes of defense that was good enough to almost do that. But we failed on that end of floor too, surrendering 18 points in the final 8 minutes of the first half. There was the ballgame, actually.

** Still, with Capel’s move to the zone in the second half, our guys scrapped and clawed the best they can to cut the lead to 5 with Hugley’s free throws with 1:23 to go. At that moment, @Franb (who joined me aND @4Mark_Marty ) noticed that we only had 2 team fouls. We all agreed, looking at the timing of everything, it would have been wise to sub in someone like Santos to draw three quick fouls in next few seconds before trying to defend.

** Too bad our staff wasn’t doing the math on the timeclock that Fran was doing because even after a stop and score, there simply was not enough time to extend the game.

** And while I’m looking at coaching tactics for reasons for this loss, maybe the simplest problem is that Monmouth clearly just has better players than we do. That’s the most discouraging comment that I can come up with I suppose.

** I’ll leave it that for the night. Picking Capel apart any further doesn’t do much to explain the current situation any better than a 3-7 record already does.

** Even though I was more or less expecting a loss tonight, I was holding out hope for the Panthers to win these last three OOC games. Now I’m expecting a 4-7 OOC season, which is well … you know. Like I said, I’m running out of words for this.


If everything went as planned Capel could have made it as a coach here. Unfortunately it didn’t and his window for getting top 150 recruits I’m afraid has ended. I think early on he let his assistants have to much control and the virus and etc got Capel off his target which was Pitt basketball. This team shows heart but they don’t have the studs to do it. Tonight he needed to stop papas and he just didn’t. If they took away his shooting they probably win but that’s every game there does not seem to be a game plan on offense or defense for the opponent their playing. After the game it sounds like he knows about it I just don’t see anything during the game that shows his players respond to anything different. At times they seem to possibly be doing something that makes a rhyme or reason too but maybe their just simply not enough guys that can do it. Of course no one knew Nike could play last year till he had to put him in. Never did find out why he didnt play all year like didn’t Capel didn’t know he could play.
 
** Too bad our staff wasn’t doing the math on the timeclock that Fran was doing because even after a stop and score, there simply was not enough time to extend the game.


The other thing that really hurts your efforts to extend the game is when guys don't actually foul someone even though they simply have to. I mean it looked at times like a couple of those guys didn't understand that they needed to foul someone as fast as possible, not just try to play solid defense.
 
It must be difficult to write
your "Dribbles" game after
game this yr. However I, and
I'm sure the rest of us look
forward to them..

The one point I will respond
to is our supposed comeback.
Good as I thought their coach
was, I was amazed at how
poorly they attacked our
zone. A zone btw, that was
not IMO very good. They
even matched our defenders
even up. That's a basic Bball
no-no. Nor only that, they
made a poor substitution
taking out two of their starters
during that time.

Anyway, as you said "Monmouth
clearly has better players
than we do."
 
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What it doesn't look like we bring to the floor, in my opinion, is an offense

don't think it's much more complicated than all that Capel offers from his offense is nothing more than asking his players to beat their players one on one. And our players just aren't good enough to do this.

Yes, Yes and Yes.

I've read about the horns and the sets.
But this offense has no direction
At times, it doesn't look like as if this team is being coached.

As for the game...

Capel gave up on Santos way too quickly.
Won't improve if you yank him every time he misses
Not saying he's a starter but should be in the mix.

Same goes for big Mo. Good things happen when he's in. Capel tends to forget about him.

I still like Jeffress...but it'd be nice to see just one offensive move.

Femi's in the time machine. Big time regression. What's up?

Nice to see Payton. Let's see more of him and less of Collier.

Truthfully, this is inept
.
 
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In the press conference, Femi said something had been bothering him outside of the team and away from the gym and it effected his play both in practice before the game and in todays game. It makes more sense now why he came off the bench today.

Femi actually took responsibility on himself for the team loss. Interesting choice of words for a 2nd year player still learning at the college level . If this team is going to win some games, he needs to be the one leading. He also mentioned his ankle is still healing which caused him to miss time earlier in the season.
 
** This probably won’t be a season where I will be offering post game comments all year long. After all, how many different times and ways can someone say how bad a team is?

** Nonetheless, I'll go at it again this evening, because there might be a few things that we can eke out of it.

** First, as much as many of us were grumbling (or worse) during the game, when the final whistle sounded the score ended up right about where I thought it would be when game started. Again, we aren’t a good team at all, and close game against Monmouth is just about our speed.

** But what is more problematic was the journey we took to the four point loss, which was one of the worst first halves I’ve ever witnessed at the Pete.

** Just before the second half, at the Pete on the scoreboard they played what was announced as “first half highlights.” It was kind of laughable seeing about 30 seconds of 6 made Panther baskets.

** So props to the guys for joining the fight in the second half, but we will never be the kind of team who can come back from 17 point deficits, no matter how much life we finally bring to the floor.

** What it doesn't look like we bring to the floor, in my opinion, is an offense. Sure, we can’t shoot, and we don’t have anyone who comes close to being a natural scorer.

** But there is almost nothing that can be found from Capel’s offense to manufacture points. Everything in on offense is based off the dribble, using an inadequate high ball screen which rarely, if ever, opens the floor for penetration.

** Six assists speaks volumes.

** Speaking of inadequate ball screens, how many times did we watch a high ball screen leave the dribbler trapped in a double team? Too many.

** I almost wonder what Capel’s philosophy is with the high ball screen. With as quickly as all of our screeners roll off it (too quickly), you almost have to wonder if that’s what our guys are being taught.

** Next, Monmouth had a game plan to thwart Pitt’s offensive that worked almost too easily. Force Big John to the baseline as the only place to receive an entry, and then run a flash double team at him from there. And without any kind of workable screen and roll (see above) to get him the ball, what we watched was a whole lot of dribbling without much purpose.

** As the Panthers were mounting their second half comeback, they managed to get some points, but at least three of our second half baskets, including Burton’s three, came from offensive sets that amounted to next to nothing, followed by a player barely making a shot to bail it out. This also happened during another trip when Monmouth bailed us out with a foul with two second on the shot clock.

** I don't think it's much more complicated than all that Capel offers from his offense is nothing more than asking his players to beat their players one on one. And our players just aren't good enough to do this.

** So without any offense, we were left to our defense to win this game. And there was about 32 minutes of defense that was good enough to almost do that. But we failed on that end of floor too, surrendering 18 points in the final 8 minutes of the first half. There was the ballgame, actually.

** Still, with Capel’s move to the zone in the second half, our guys scrapped and clawed the best they can to cut the lead to 5 with Hugley’s free throws with 1:23 to go. At that moment, @Franb (who joined me aND @4Mark_Marty ) noticed that we only had 2 team fouls. We all agreed, looking at the timing of everything, it would have been wise to sub in someone like Santos to draw three quick fouls in next few seconds before trying to defend.

** Too bad our staff wasn’t doing the math on the timeclock that Fran was doing because even after a stop and score, there simply was not enough time to extend the game.

** And while I’m looking at coaching tactics for reasons for this loss, maybe the simplest problem is that Monmouth clearly just has better players than we do. That’s the most discouraging comment that I can come up with I suppose.

** I’ll leave it that for the night. Picking Capel apart any further doesn’t do much to explain the current situation any better than a 3-7 record already does.

** Even though I was more or less expecting a loss tonight, I was holding out hope for the Panthers to win these last three OOC games. Now I’m expecting a 4-7 OOC season, which is well … you know. Like I said, I’m running out of words for this.
Question outside of your dribbles, if you would:

Did we play mostly 3 guards, Jeffress and Hugley?

if this is right, Jeffress was playing as our4. If he is only going to provide 2 points in 33 minutes, shouldn’t there be better or at least, different options?
 
Question outside of your dribbles, if you would:

Did we play mostly 3 guards, Jeffress and Hugley?

if this is right, Jeffress was playing as our4. If he is only going to provide 2 points in 33 minutes, shouldn’t there be better or at least, different options?
Jeffress played a lot of four in the second half.
And while Will brought little offense himself, he was playing the four during the time when Pitt has playing their best on both ends.
 
Jeffress played a lot of four in the second half.
And while Will brought little offense himself, he was playing the four during the time when Pitt has playing their best on both ends.
Thanks for the reply. I thought that was what I remembered.

Did you read Joe’s post on playing Will and Eze at the same time?
 
Thanks for the reply. I thought that was what I remembered.

Did you read Joe’s post on playing Will and Eze at the same time?
Just read it, but I can’t say there are any better options—and that’s the biggest problem of all.
 
In the press conference, Femi said something had been bothering him outside of the team and away from the gym and it effected his play both in practice before the game and in todays game. It makes more sense now why he came off the bench today.

Femi actually took responsibility on himself for the team loss. Interesting choice of words for a 2nd year player still learning at the college level . If this team is going to win some games, he needs to be the one leading. He also mentioned his ankle is still healing which caused him to miss time earlier in the season.
You could’ve just said “Femi is regressing, because he isn’t very good”
 
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In the press conference, Femi said something had been bothering him outside of the team and away from the gym and it effected his play both in practice before the game and in todays game. It makes more sense now why he came off the bench today.

Femi actually took responsibility on himself for the team loss. Interesting choice of words for a 2nd year player still learning at the college level . If this team is going to win some games, he needs to be the one leading. He also mentioned his ankle is still healing which caused him to miss time earlier in the season.


Femi seems like a leader. Has done everything right. Needs to get healthy and stay positive and move his game along.
 
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You could’ve just said “Femi is regressing, because he isn’t very good”
I didn’t think he was that bad tonight.

I know he really hurt us in a game recently, probably cost us a game by playing worse than sub par.

Maybe the Big Ten challenge game?
 
Yes, Yes and Yes.

I've read about the horns and the sets.
But this offense has no direction
At times, it doesn't look like as if this team is being coached.

As for the game...

Capel gave up on Santos way too quickly.
Won't improve if you yank him every time he misses
Not saying he's a starter but should be in the mix.

Same goes for big Mo. Good things happen when he's in. Capel tends to forget about him.

I still like Jeffress...but it'd be nice to see just one offensive move.

Femi's in the time machine. Big time regression. What's up"

Nice to see Payton. Let's see more of him and less of Collier.

Truthfully, this is inept
.
I thought Payton sealed his man off a couple of times early in the second half.

No one gave him the pass.
 
** This probably won’t be a season where I will be offering post game comments all year long. After all, how many different times and ways can someone say how bad a team is?

** Nonetheless, I'll go at it again this evening, because there might be a few things that we can eke out of it.

** First, as much as many of us were grumbling (or worse) during the game, when the final whistle sounded the score ended up right about where I thought it would be when game started. Again, we aren’t a good team at all, and a close game against Monmouth is just about our speed.

** But what is more problematic was the journey we took to the four point loss, which was one of the worst first halves I’ve ever witnessed at the Pete.

** Just before the second half, at the Pete on the scoreboard they played what was announced as “first half highlights.” It was kind of laughable seeing about 30 seconds of 6 made Panther baskets.

** So props to the guys for joining the fight in the second half, but we will never be the kind of team who can come back from 17 point deficits, no matter how much life we finally bring to the floor.

** What it doesn't look like we bring to the floor, in my opinion, is an offense. Sure, we can’t shoot, and we don’t have anyone who comes close to being a natural scorer.

** But there is almost nothing that can be found from Capel’s offense to manufacture points. Everything in on offense is based off the dribble, using an inadequate high ball screen which rarely, if ever, opens the floor for penetration.

** Six assists speaks volumes.

** Speaking of inadequate ball screens, how many times did we watch a high ball screen leave the dribbler trapped in a double team? Too many.

** I almost wonder what Capel’s philosophy is with the high ball screen. With as quickly as all of our screeners roll off it (too quickly), you almost have to wonder if that’s what our guys are being taught.

** Next, Monmouth had a game plan to thwart Pitt’s offensive that worked almost too easily. Force Big John to the baseline as the only place to receive an entry, and then run a flash double team at him from there. And without any kind of workable screen and roll (see above) to get him the ball, what we watched was a whole lot of dribbling without much purpose.

** As the Panthers were mounting their second half comeback, they managed to get some points, but at least three of our second half baskets, including Burton’s three, came from offensive sets that amounted to next to nothing, followed by a player barely making a shot to bail it out. This also happened during another trip when Monmouth bailed us out with a foul with two second on the shot clock.

** I don't think it's much more complicated than all that Capel offers from his offense is nothing more than asking his players to beat their players one on one. And our players just aren't good enough to do this.

** So without any offense, we were left to our defense to win this game. And there was about 32 minutes of defense that was good enough to almost do that. But we failed on that end of floor too, surrendering 18 points in the final 8 minutes of the first half. There was the ballgame, actually.

** Still, with Capel’s move to the zone in the second half, our guys scrapped and clawed the best they can to cut the lead to 5 with Hugley’s free throws with 1:23 to go. At that moment, @Franb (who joined me and @4Mark_Marty ) noticed that we only had 2 team fouls. We all agreed, looking at the timing of everything, it would have been wise to sub in someone like Santos to draw three quick fouls in next few seconds before trying to defend.

** Too bad our staff wasn’t doing the math on the timeclock that Fran was doing because even after a stop and score, there simply was not enough time to extend the game.

** And while I’m looking at coaching tactics for reasons for this loss, maybe the simplest problem is that Monmouth clearly just has better players than we do. That’s the most discouraging comment that I can come up with I suppose.

** I’ll leave it that for the night. Picking Capel apart any further doesn’t do much to explain the current situation any better than a 3-7 record already does.

** Even though I was more or less expecting a loss tonight, I was holding out hope for the Panthers to win these last three OOC games. Now I’m expecting a 4-7 OOC season, which is well … you know. Like I said, I’m running out of words for this.
I think we win this game with better coaching but at this point does it even matter? This era is imo worse than Stallings.
 
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Jeffress played a lot of four in the second half.
And while Will brought little offense himself, he was playing the four during the time when Pitt has playing their best on both ends.
I’ve noticed Jeffress is open a lot waving his arms for the ball and his teammates just ignore him . Guess he doesn’t make them in practice either !
 
Jeffress played a lot of four in the second half.
And while Will brought little offense himself, he was playing the four during the time when Pitt has playing their best on both ends.

I said in an earlier post, Jeffress has to be moved to the 4. He has no perimeter skill right now. Also, he and Onye cannot be on the floor at the same time. That's playing 3 on 5. Santos is better than Jeffress. I dont understand why they dont play him and Burton at the 3 more.
 
I don’t know what game you were watching ? Monmouth had much better players .


They really didn’t — they had 2 decent players Pappas and Reynolds’s.

They were better coached and had a better plan.

We couldn’t even get the ball to Hugley and then when we did they immediately double or triple teamed while his 4 teammates stood around the perimeter waiting for a skip pass that must have showed up on film because Monmouth was ready for them and intercepted the first 2.

Our lack of any coherent plan on offense last night is why we lost.

Monmouth scored 56 pts. And won. At the Pete.
 
They really didn’t — they had 2 decent players Pappas and Reynolds’s.

They were better coached and had a better plan.

We couldn’t even get the ball to Hugley and then when we did they immediately double or triple teamed while his 4 teammates stood around the perimeter waiting for a skip pass that must have showed up on film because Monmouth was ready for them and intercepted the first 2.

Our lack of any coherent plan on offense last night is why we lost.

Monmouth scored 56 pts. And won. At the Pete.
Pitt had Hugley who they neutralized and what other scoring options did JC not try to use ? Big John was forced to make multiple bad passes when he was double and tripled teamed . He better get use to it . Pitt has no other natural scorers than Hugley . We’re going to see a lot of bad offensive bb this season .

I’d take their roster or if you could put Hugley on their team they’d be really good .
 
It must be difficult to write
your "Dribbles" game after
game this yr. However I, and
I'm sure the rest of us look
forward to them..

The one point I will respond
to is our supposed comeback.
Good as I thought their coach
was, I was amazed at how
poorly they attacked our
zone. A zone btw, that was
not IMO very good. They
even matched our defenders
even up. That's a basic Bball
no-no. Nor only that, they
made a poor substitution
taking out two of their starters
during that time.

Anyway, as you said "Monmouth
clearly has better players
than we do."
Agree. They were plain awful against our zone. It is not tough to beat that zone at all. Players need to be moving and quick passes. They were way over dribbling. I only the saw the second half but from what I saw Monmouth kinda sucks.
 
Pitt had Hugley who they neutralized and what other scoring options did JC not try to use ? Big John was forced to make multiple bad passes when he was double and tripled teamed . He better get use to it . Pitt has no other natural scorers than Hugley . We’re going to see a lot of bad offensive bb this season .

I’d take their roster or if you could put Hugley on their team they’d be really good .

Oh I don’t know how bout someone move without the basketball and cut to the basket. There is lots of open space when one guy is being triple teamed. You don’t need Michael Jordan on your team to move.
 
Agree. They were plain awful against our zone. It is not tough to beat that zone at all. Players need to be moving and quick passes. They were way over dribbling. I only the saw the second half but from what I saw Monmouth kinda sucks.
Too bad you didn't see
the first half. LOL.
They were as good as
we were bad. Defensively
they were all over us
and we struggled with
their double teams. As
for us defensively, we
were a step slow. They
beat us off the dribble,
and their passes were
crisp and found open
shooters for both J's and
open layups.
If you get to somehow
see the first half, you'll
see an obvious difference
in talent.
 
Oh I don’t know how bout someone move without the basketball and cut to the basket. There is lots of open space when one guy is being triple teamed. You don’t need Michael Jordan on your team to move.
We only move when one guy had the basketball. He moves all over the court dribbling win no where to go. Nobody else moves though. Burton especially. He never looks up or passes.
 
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Too bad you didn't see
the first half. LOL.
They were as good as
we were bad. Defensively
they were all over us
and we struggled with
their double teams. As
for us defensively, we
were a step slow. They
beat us off the dribble,
and their passes were
crisp and found open
shooters for both J's and
open layups.
I was reading a book about the 300 Spartans. Finishing it up. The Spartans had better odds than Pitt does under Capel. I also am scared to death that there isn’t anyone out there who we will take a chance on to get out of this hole Stallings and Capel made.
 
I was reading a book about the 300 Spartans. Finishing it up. The Spartans had better odds than Pitt does under Capel. I also am scared to death that there isn’t anyone out there who we will take a chance on to get out of this hole Stallings and Capel made.

There's somebody out there who will take the chance. The AD hasn't found that person yet. She made the huge mistake of hiring Capel and that will set us back for years. Yet many of us, myself included, thought that the Capel hire when it happened was a good hire and we were optimistic. We were all wrong.
 
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We only move when one guy had the basketball. He moves all over the court dribbling win no where to go. Nobody else moves though. Burton especially. He never looks up or passes.
This is true. Where have
we seen this before? X,
Femi, and now Burton,
even Ezzy when he's at
the pg.

My view on this is.....it's
a result of what Capel
(an ex pg himself) has his
pg's doing as they attempt
to execute his offense. If
nobody believes this, check
out X at Indiana. He still has
his problems, but over dribbling
isn't one of them. He actually
sets up the offense.... Coaching!
 
There's somebody out there who will take the chance. The AD hasn't found that person yet. She made the huge mistake of hiring Capel and that will set us back for years. Yet many of us, myself included, thought that the Capel hire when it happened was a good hire and we were optimistic. We were all wrong.
We need so much talent. I hate the idea of Sean Miller but a coach like that who can bring in talent quickly may be our only choice. Hell, Auburn got a joke of a penalty for cheating.

I am and X and O guy, but in the ACC we need talent and the amount of a talent upgrade we need is huge at every position except John. And he could easily be gone after this year.
 
I'd love to see Pitt not dribble once on offense and just pass. Nothing more...just pass and set up an offense off the pass only. I don't think Capel knows how to coach that.
 
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This is true. Where have
we seen this before? X,
Femi, and now Burton,
even Ezzy when he's at
the pg.

My view on this is.....it's
a result of what Capel
(an ex pg himself) has his
pg's doing as they attempt
to execute his offense. If
nobody believes this, check
out X at Indiana. He still has
his problems, but over dribbling
isn't one of them. He actually
sets up the offense.... Coaching!
Think you are right. He had so much talent at Oklahoma he could get away with that because of Blake Griffin. At then the same thing at Duke. It’s either he is too stubborn to recognize this won’t work with our talent or he just isn’t a very bright coach. Probably both.
 
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There's somebody out there who will take the chance. The AD hasn't found that person yet. She made the huge mistake of hiring Capel and that will set us back for years. Yet many of us, myself included, thought that the Capel hire when it happened was a good hire and we were optimistic. We were all wrong.
If the team currently consisted of:

Hugley, Toney, Sinbande, Horton Xavier Johnson and Coulibaly, Gueye, Jeffress, Burton and Odukale. With Mintz still committed.

Would everybody currently in agreement with that still be in agreement with that?

I don’t want Capel back, just asking.
 
If the team currently consisted of:

Hugley, Toney, Sinbande, Horton Xavier Johnson and Coulibaly, Gueye, Jeffress, Burton and Odukale

Would everybody currently in agreement with that still be in agreement with that?
Still probably not a tourney team with Capel coaching. And the culture would be sooooo awful with those egos.
 
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I'd love to see Pitt not dribble once on offense and just pass. Nothing more...just pass and set up an offense off the pass only. I don't think Capel knows how to coach that.
Well, to do what you're
asking, the other four
players have to be in
some sort of motion.
Either picks and screens,
or a motion offense. There
is such a thing called a
"Motion Offense." I've
always thought it was good
for a team deficient in
talent....like Pitt for instance.

With that said, I like your
suggestion. It's not a case
of Capel knowing or not
knowing. At this level they
do know. Whether they do it
or not is something else
entirely.
 
Well, to do what you're
asking, the other four
players have to be in
some sort of motion.
Either picks and screens,
or a motion offense. There
is such a thing called a
"Motion Offense." I've
always thought it was good
for a team deficient in
talent....like Pitt for instance.

With that said, I like your
suggestion. It's not a case
of Capel knowing or not
knowing. At this level they
do know. Whether they do it
or not is something else
entirely.
What is so strange is that Duke runs an effective motion and 5 out with lots of movement.
 
What is so strange is that Duke runs an effective motion and 5 out with lots of movement.
That isn't just true, it's
also sadly ironic in that
Capel is a product of that
very program.

Regardless, I'm convinced
after seeing X, Femi, Burton,
and even walk on Ezzy, that
he runs a pg oriented offense
that relies on excessive dribbling.

Just my two cents.
 
Oh I don’t know how bout someone move without the basketball and cut to the basket. There is lots of open space when one guy is being triple teamed. You don’t need Michael Jordan on your team to move.
But he still needs to make the shot !
 
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