More go-go offense success
- Thread starter NatronaHeightsPanther
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Individual play helps the team far more than individual play does in football. All 11 eleven players must mesh do their job while knowing the jobs of others - for a team to succeed over the long term. An offensive line with bad chemistry will fail and then the whole offense fails. That isn't even close to the case in baseball.
But, did they face the doomsday defenses of UTEP, Vanderbilt, Jacksonville State, and Northwestern? Next we'll hear that CCAC's intramural team has "really good" defense for a juco when they face UNLV next year. The big question will the salesman be there to face them?
This isn’t about play - it’s about getting along in the locker room…aka chemistry. You‘re moving the goal post…you didn’t preface chemistry in terms of play, you mentioned it in terms of getting along.
I never moved the goalposts. I’ve always believed that chemistry in the locker room is reflected on the field.
That’s silly. Every unit on offense is without a pulse. It took a 4 year recruiting window to get to that point.
There’s only one common denominator across all units over that 4 year cycle, and it’s not Marion.
They have played two P5 schools in 2023 in those 4 games, including one with one of the premier defenses in all of college football.
That’s not a fair comparison.
I haven’t watched a second of UNLV football, so I have no idea what they are doing or why it has been successful. And they aren’t really talked about on any college football shows, so there’s no insight from them either.
But they recruit in the bottom 2 or 3 of that conference. Last year the offense finished 96th in SP+. This year they are 73rd.
Not an insane leap. But SP+ had them projected to be the 98th ranked offense this year. And those projections are still being factored in since the sample size is still too small. Which means the offense is actually even better than 73 if you just used this year.
So based on the numbers, they have had a pretty decent improvement so far in one offseason for a team void of talent.
But they recruit in the bottom 2 or 3 of that conference. Last year the offense finished 96th in SP+. This year they are 73rd.
Not an insane leap. But SP+ had them projected to be the 98th ranked offense this year. And those projections are still being factored in since the sample size is still too small. Which means the offense is actually even better than 73 if you just used this year.
So based on the numbers, they have had a pretty decent improvement so far in one offseason for a team void of talent.
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And I gave you a team that had terrible chemistry but won anyway. So..yeah, chemistry does play a role but it's not a concrete measure of success.
And in the 3 games NOT against the #1 defense in the country UNLV put up 44, 40, and 45 points. All with an average recruiting class someone near, if not in, the triple digits.
He could be a good coordinator, he could be bad. There still isn't enough out there and he moves around too much while climbing the ladder to actually prove anything. But you are never going to change Steel's mind. He's been bashing him since before he was hired and he'll continue to make misleading arguments against him every time he hears his name. Marion could have the #1 offense in the country and Steel would be arguing that the weather patterns present for all his games provided an overwhelming offensive advantage.
One example is an exception to the rule and I already stated that baseball is more an individual sport than team sport.
I didn’t really take that as the OP’s point.
I think the argument that, “Pitt would be doing that with that schedule” is a dumb argument.
Pitt has P5 talent. The teams thus far, outside of UNC, do not recruit above Pitt.
UNLV has played teams worse than the ones Pitt has played. But have not played a bunch of teams so far below where UNLV recruits at.
It would be like diminishing the job North Dakota State did in 2018, because they didn’t play anyone as good as UCF that year.
That’s not really relevant to the coaching job North Dakota State did.
You Frank’s uncle?
And this is the stupid crap you always do. Anytime someone calls franks offense dated you say “hurr durr you want an air raid” when that is what nobody is saying.
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I've watched them. I watched the UTEP game. UNLV doesn't have much of a passing game. The 3 main reasons they have been successful are Bryant, Vanderbilt, and UTEP. (UTEP simply can't tackle) UNLV had a little over 140 yds of total offense against Michigan until garbage time 80 yard drive in the last few minutes of the game.
But they didn’t play a good defensive schedule last year up to this point.
This year’s defenses are undeniably better than last year’s through 4 games.
And UNLV’s offense ranks higher than last year.
Saying, “well, UNLV has taken their sh*tty talent and played a bunch of sh*tty defenses” isn’t an explanation as to why they’ve improved over last season. Especially when SP+ actually projected them to be worse offensively this year than they were last year.
Bill Connelly even highlighted UNLV as being one of the teams with the biggest rise in his rankings this week. And that’s because you’re now starting to see last year’s numbers filtered out of the analytic numbers as the sample size grows for this season. So the quality of a team this year isn’t being pulled down by last year as much.
Nothing you typed explains that.
Well, then 2 can play that silly game. You're wrong. I said nothing that was even close to wrong.
Can we stop offering "defensive rankings" right now in the season.
Good Lord, PITT is the #12 ranked defense in the country right now. Does anyone really believe we have the 12th best defense in the nation right now.
But if we're going to talk about defensive rankings..
UNLV's murderer's row
Defensive Ranking
UTEP #98
Vandy #91
NW #76
Bryant #63 - FCS ranking
Michigan #3
Michigan's opponents - total offense rankings
ECU - #128
BG - #117
Rutgers - #111
UNLV - #78
Listen, I'm sure Michigan has a really good defense, maybe top 10 or better..
But, stop with these dumb stats in week 4 of the season..
Good Lord, PITT is the #12 ranked defense in the country right now. Does anyone really believe we have the 12th best defense in the nation right now.
But if we're going to talk about defensive rankings..
UNLV's murderer's row
Defensive Ranking
UTEP #98
Vandy #91
NW #76
Bryant #63 - FCS ranking
Michigan #3
Michigan's opponents - total offense rankings
ECU - #128
BG - #117
Rutgers - #111
UNLV - #78
Listen, I'm sure Michigan has a really good defense, maybe top 10 or better..
But, stop with these dumb stats in week 4 of the season..
Good point. They've been playing against a real murderers' row of opponents for the prior 40 years when they hadn't accomplished that...
Unranked, Unranked, 69th, 79th, Unranked. Those are UNLV's 5 previous recruiting classes.
Michigan has played 2 teams that have also put up 30+ points in wins over ACC opponents, neither of those teams scored more than 7 points against Michigan.
UNLV has set a school record for 4 games in a row over 40 points. The previous record is 2. Nobody is saying their schedule is tough but this is one of the very worst FBS programs historically, with bad players (in theory) and they are putting up video game numbers. Marion is doing something well there. Marion >>>>>>>> Cignetti.
It's actually 3 in a row. Their offense is ranked 66th. They don't even average 400 yards a game. Pitt averaged 405 last year against a lot better competition.
76, 81, and 108. That's the defensive rankings of the teams they had success against. The other was Bryant. Their next opponent is Nevada, which is dead last at 130.
Against their only quality opponent, Michigan, they had 42 total yards at halftime.
UNLV has terrible players and they set a school record. Facts are facts. They could have scored more points than this in the prior 50 yeads but didn't. And stop referencing the Michigan game. They may win the Natty. UNLV doesnt have a single player who could even make that team.
Wait, you are creaming in your pants over the 113th best passing offense after playing a trash can schedule?
You are an weird dude.
A trash can team vs a trash can schedule. They would lose some of these games in the past. You people clowning UNLV's schedule crack me up. They may be the absolute worst FBS program. Literally.
Can't disagree but it's still sort of like Colorado. See what happens when they start to face the better teams on their schedule.
We should just hire the dude.
If you know me, I love option / smashmouth football where you don't air it out.
Oh wait... We need a cutting edge offense that's "fun"..
If you know me, I love option / smashmouth football where you don't air it out.
Oh wait... We need a cutting edge offense that's "fun"..
