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Moving Forward with New Coach Stallings & Other Dribbles ...

DT_PITT

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** What a truly and completely unbelievable week this has been for Pitt Basketball. Would anyone at all have predicted with the wildest of all guesses seven days ago that none other than Kevin Stallings would be the new Panthers Head Coach this Sunday? If you say yes, please let me know about the Lottery numbers next time.

** A week ago, I said without a doubt that I wanted Jamie Dixon to stay as our coach. But I must confess that there was a little bit of a part of me that was a touch relieved when he ultimately decided to go to TCU.

** One reason is because I’ve always enjoyed being a part of the Pitt Hoops and PantherLair community. And after the Wisconsin loss, it was extremely difficult to read and post here, as nearly every thought had become a pro and con as to whether Dixon should or shouldn’t be our coach. It was the same with anyone I talked to about Pitt Hoops.

** When Dixon left, in addition to looking forward to a new coach and a new beginning for hoops, I was looking forward for the chance for all Pitt Basketball fans to get together on the same page.

** On Tuesday, with all of the buzz going on about Sean Miller, it was sort of cool seeing how many Pitt Hoops fans were excited about it.

** Five days later, it looks like I ended up getting what I wanted after all. Just about all Pitt Basketball fans are now back together on the same page. It’s just not a page of excitement, but a page of disgust.

** Just to be clear, I must also admit that I’m disappointed with the selection of Kevin Stallings. I was hoping that we would select someone we could all get excited about, and even someone such as Andy Enfield would have fit that bill.

** Disappointed is probably too soft. I think it's more accurate to say I'm a little worried.

** But If there’s one mantra I’ve posted over and over during all of my days of hanging here on the Pitt message board, it’s that things are almost never quite as good nor as bad as we fans what to make them out to be.

** Let’s make some things abundantly clear about Kevin Stallings. He’s certainly a capable, knowledgeable NCAA coach who has had success at a Power 5 conference school. Yes Pitt fans, believe it or not, there are some who could have been worse choices.

** Still, the criticism that was most often directed at Dixon is that he would never be able to get Pitt back to the high level where he had them previously. The concerning thing about this selection is that it’s an individual who has a long track record of never putting a team at that high level in the first place.

** The second thing that is concerning is that Scott Barnes made it clear that Pitt Hoops needed someone who would put energy back into the fan base. With that, does he really believe that this hire does this? Or was it the case that he really never meant what he said to begin with, or that hiring someone to whom he had a connection to was more important than putting energy back into the fan base? Any of these possibilities are concerning.

** The most concerning at all, however, is the notion that this is the highest quality coach they could find who really would take this job. Maybe this is true, and this would be a very discouraging fact. But it seems like this would have had to have been determined after a pretty short period of time. And hearing that Kevin Keatts wasn’t even contacted make me wonder if that net was case wide enough.

** But all of that matters little right now for this Pitt Basketball fan. As a Pitt Basketball fan, it’s about time I got to the business of getting on board with the new coach, regardless if I think he’s the best man for the job. It’s his job now.

** And the first part of his job is to keep together everything the Panthers have going for them in place for next year. Dixon did not leave the cupboard bare for Stallings, and I’m hopeful that Stallings can start by at least providing some hope by keeping all of the critical pieces in place.

** Heck, maybe Coach Kevin will even find a piece the 2015-2016 team may have been missing to improve on our past year.

** In my darker moments of the last 24 hours, I was worried that Dixon might be able to get TCU into the NCAA Tournament before the Panthers were ever able to return. I’d certainly like for Stallings to put an end to that notion right off in year one.

** In another of my other darker moments of the last 24 hours, I remarked that this may have been the lowest I’ve felt in my 36 years or being a Pitt Hoops fan. I’m going to back away from that now. Even though this is not an exciting hire, and perhaps not even a good hire, it is not a hire that cannot possibility work. In fact, it just might work well beyond our expectations of the moment.

** I’m guessing I’ve probably seen 550 Pitt Hoops games in person, in no fewer than 15 different arenas. In that time, I’ve seen many wonderful successes next to some deeply discouraging defeats. Through all of this and the changes I’ve seen, Pitt Hoops has always remained as “my thing.”

** In November of 2016, I plan to be there at the Peterson Events Center to watch 551. If Pitt Hoops is “Your thing,” I hope you’ll be there too.
 
Thanks for the perspective DT. I'm awfully disappointed as well. But I'm going to step away for the night and hopefully try and begin to move on tomorrow and support this team despite my new skepticism of another athletic director.
 
DT: I admire your ability to put the old "stiff upper lip" forward. This was a complete, unadulterated cluster and we all know it. It smells to high heaven because the fans were completely dissed in this process by an institution that can ill afford to alienate whatever fan base remains. It smells because while we've seen incompetent, even mind-dumbing decisions in the past, we've never seen a situation that smacks of underhanded dealings.

Like you, I will tune in when Pitt lines up again to play. That said, my expectations are as low as they have ever been. I suppose the good news is that it will be almost impossible to underachieve based on expectations....so we got that goin' for us...which is nice.

Cruzer
 
If this is going to somehow work, then the following must be done.

1) Hire a very good staff
2) Make the NCAA next year
3) Get some highly thought of recruits that can spark interest and get some positive momentum moving forward

It's just that simple!! ;)
 
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I would have loved for you to go off like a maniac, bash Barnes for lying to us fans. That would have made my night.
 
Not an inspiring hire, but I'm not miserable about it. From what I can tell, Stallings is known for recruiting solid talent (better than Dixon) and underachieving. At worst, we putter along at our current level and hopefully Stallings stocks the cupboard for the next guy. I think we will do better, but that would be my baseline.
 
No one is thrilled. But this is what it is, the ink is dry.

Stallings has his critics, so did Jamie. Maybe the move puts them in new position, exposed to new people, and they become better coaches. Maybe not, but we're along for the ride either way.

Hail to Pitt
 
Not an inspiring hire, but I'm not miserable about it. From what I can tell, Stallings is known for recruiting solid talent (better than Dixon) and underachieving. At worst, we putter along at our current level and hopefully Stallings stocks the cupboard for the next guy. I think we will do better, but that would be my baseline.
Your teller is broken.
 
I'll bump this back up for Owtie's benefit since he seems think I went into hiding. I posted this on Sunday night, and had stuff to do with my family last night, so I couldn't participate in the post press conference message board fun!

So once again, Owtie's perceptions and/or accusations of my thoughts and intentions are completely incorrect. :confused: Nothing new there! So it is ...

Of course, Owtie never left the message board for a moment, like the true fanboy that he is!! LOL :p
 
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I'll bump this back up for Owtie's benefit since he seems think I went into hiding. I posted this on Sunday night, and had stuff to do with my family last night, so I couldn't participate in the post press conference message board fun!

So once again, Owtie's perceptions and/or accusations of my thoughts and intentions are completely incorrect. :confused: Nothing new there! So it is ...

Of course, Owtie never left the message board for a moment, like the true fanboy that he is!! LOL :p

Actually DT, it was Easter, I had a house full of guests, I went offline. There were like 10,000 posts so obviously it got buried. I apologize.

I would like to think my attempt of dribbles though was reasonable. I also knew it pisses off some people who would love to rip it, but really there is nothing to rip. I kind of like being a polarizing figure on this board. It is fun. But I ain't mindless.

Anyways.....what started me to feel better and better about the hire is the fact that looking around the ACC and College BB nationally, looking at all of the coaches, their ages and Stallings is just in his prime. And lot of big programs on the level of Pitt have made similar hires, that were "blah" and "meh" and they worked out well. Think Oklahoma, Miami and Oregon to name 3. Even Maryland.

I know it is not sexy, but is the hire worse than some guy who put together one great season, got to an Elite 8, became the "hot guy" and then got hired (think....I dunno....Paul Evans). Stallings has a track record. We will see. I am excited to see what he can do. I do know that my excitement is an easier task that yours and others, because quite frankly I was so ready to move on from Jamie Dixon. The same stuff year after year, the same formulas which was getting so stale. The Wisky debacle, and I don't think even the most ardent Dixon supporter can call it anything but, that debacle, was the final "oh, you want to look at another job? PLEASE TAKE IT!" moment for me.

2-3 years I could be regretting this. But you also know the definition of insanity.
 
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DT: I admire your ability to put the old "stiff upper lip" forward. This was a complete, unadulterated cluster and we all know it. It smells to high heaven because the fans were completely dissed in this process by an institution that can ill afford to alienate whatever fan base remains. It smells because while we've seen incompetent, even mind-dumbing decisions in the past, we've never seen a situation that smacks of underhanded dealings.

Like you, I will tune in when Pitt lines up again to play. That said, my expectations are as low as they have ever been. I suppose the good news is that it will be almost impossible to underachieve based on expectations....so we got that goin' for us...which is nice.

Cruzer
Let's keep this one, deliberately overlooked likelihood in mind as we process all of this-Pitt baskeball was going nowhere fast under the status quo. Most of us like Dixon a lot and are eternally grateful for his accomplishments here-along with those of his mentor, Howland, the man who actually pulled Pitt hoops out of the abyss. However, with each passing year of mediocre basketball, 11 gift wins against a ridiculous OOC schedule, empty seats, .500 basketball in the ACC, and total recruiting failures-, the goodwill was starting to fade. Basketball coaches don't earn lifetime appointments based on remote successes. It's one thing to appreciate Dixon and what he did at his peak, it's another to sit around waiting for him to do it again. It wasn't looking likely. I believe all he really needed was better players, but for whatever reason, he wasn't getting them and there was no evidence of that changing anytime in the foreseeable future.

I'm saying Stallings is the guy turn this around, I thought we could and would do better. But I'm not saying he won't either.

And for those of you anxiously waiting for JD to turn around TCU basketball and get them into a NCAA tournament, don't hold your breath. He's a good coach but that place is a coaching graveyard, and if he couldn't keep it going here, not sure how he's going to do it from scratch there. The odds and equities are overwhelmingly against him.
 
Let's keep this one, deliberately overlooked likelihood in mind as we process all of this-Pitt baskeball was going nowhere fast under the status quo. Most of us like Dixon a lot and are eternally grateful for his accomplishments here-along with those of his mentor, Howland, the man who actually pulled Pitt hoops out of the abyss. However, with each passing year of mediocre basketball, 11 gift wins against a ridiculous OOC schedule, empty seats, .500 basketball in the ACC, and total recruiting failures-, the goodwill was starting to fade. Basketball coaches don't earn lifetime appointments based on remote successes. It's one thing to appreciate Dixon and what he did at his peak, it's another to sit around waiting for him to do it again. It wasn't looking likely. I believe all he really needed was better players, but for whatever reason, he wasn't getting them and there was no evidence of that changing anytime in the foreseeable future.

I'm saying Stallings is the guy turn this around, I thought we could and would do better. But I'm not saying he won't either.

And for those of you anxiously waiting for JD to turn around TCU basketball and get them into a NCAA tournament, don't hold your breath. He's a good coach but that place is a coaching graveyard, and if he couldn't keep it going here, not sure how he's going to do it from scratch there. The odds and equities are overwhelmingly against him.
Coaching graveyard?? Pitt was the Arlington National or Forest Lawn pre-Howland.
 
Coaching graveyard?? Pitt was the Arlington National or Forest Lawn pre-Howland.

No. Not close. Since 1970, they made 3 NCAA Tourneys. THREE! Please don't act like the abyss of Pitt basketball was anything close to what TCU is. People here are bitching that Stallings only made 7 NCAA tourneys in his 17 years. TCU only made 7 NCAA tourneys in its entire history of playing the sport.
 
No. Not close. Since 1970, they made 3 NCAA Tourneys. THREE! Please don't act like the abyss of Pitt basketball was anything close to what TCU is. People here are bitching that Stallings only made 7 NCAA tourneys in his 17 years. TCU only made 7 NCAA tourneys in its entire history of playing the sport.
Degrees of ineptitude. Did they play in the BE?? Did they care?? I bet they care, now. B12 $$ is pretty strong. Hell, they barely played FB since Dicky Moegl. (SP), until Patterson arrived. Now, they rock.
 
Nobody has a choice but to wait and see. I enjoy Pitt basketball but truthfully for the past two years I have only followed when we played our top games.

Can't imagine Stallings will do that much worse to get me to not even watch those.

I think some of you who are extreme die hards are disappointed. Those of us who had already lost interest don't see this coaching change as life and death.
 
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No one is thrilled. But this is what it is, the ink is dry.

Stallings has his critics, so did Jamie. Maybe the move puts them in new position, exposed to new people, and they become better coaches. Maybe not, but we're along for the ride either way.

Hail to Pitt


There was not one coach that would have been hired where everyone would be happy. More than Stallings? Yes. But there is a degree of risk with almost every coaching hire, regardless of past history. The only thing we can do is see how he does. The only thing he can do is win.
 
Degrees of ineptitude. Did they play in the BE?? Did they care?? I bet they care, now. B12 $$ is pretty strong. Hell, they barely played FB since Dicky Moegl. (SP), until Patterson arrived. Now, they rock.

Again, not close. Bad analogy.
 
" ** Still, the criticism that was most often directed at Dixon is that he would never be able to get Pitt back to the high level where he had them previously."

DT, the excerpt of your post shown above is to me the most intriguing piece of the state of the relationship that set this whole situation in motion.

In trying to reconcile in my own mind the reasons that things ended up where and why they did at this particular point in time, there are some questions that I'd be very interested in hearing your opinions on, because I believe the accurate answers to them may help get to the bottom of things and may well be tied to that excerpted comment of yours above:

When do you think JD was first contacted by TCU?

Why do you think that JD was receptive at all to any interest that TCU expressed in him?
 
No. Not close. Since 1970, they made 3 NCAA Tourneys. THREE! Please don't act like the abyss of Pitt basketball was anything close to what TCU is. People here are bitching that Stallings only made 7 NCAA tourneys in his 17 years. TCU only made 7 NCAA tourneys in its entire history of playing the sport.
You understand proportionally, Howland/Dixon have more than half of Pitt's appearances between them, right?

TCU made 3 we made 9 from 1970 to Howland.
Sure, a bit more success, but not like Pitt hoops was some brand.
 
Coaching graveyard?? Pitt was the Arlington National or Forest Lawn pre-Howland.
Not a coaching graveyard; pre=Howland, we were the Easter Sunday of coaches, raised them from the dead. Willard, Evans, Chipman, Grugrich, Gottfried, Hackett, Majors 2 WLAT, Wanny, Heyward. Did I miss any?
 
You understand proportionally, Howland/Dixon have more than half of Pitt's appearances between them, right?

TCU made 3 we made 9 from 1970 to Howland.
Sure, a bit more success, but not like Pitt hoops was some brand.
You do realize that proportionally almost half of Pitt's appearances coincided with the opening of the Pete, right?
 
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The bottom line is there is only about a dozen coaches that are sure things.....and they are already entrenched in good programs.....

Everyone else has risk associated with it......including Stallings.......

We will find out starting next November...

time to move on...
 
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Facilities certainly do nothing to improve a program.

Recruits don't care about buildings, uniforms, shoes or TV time. They just want to put pictures of their knitted scarves on Instagram and live a quiet life. Maybe make a buck or two selling Pitt onesies on Etsy.
 
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If this is going to somehow work, then the following must be done.

1) Hire a very good staff
2) Make the NCAA next year
3) Get some highly thought of recruits that can spark interest and get some positive momentum moving forward
If Jamie did that each of the last five years, he would still be our coach. Hail to PITT
 
Coaching graveyard?? Pitt was the Arlington National or Forest Lawn pre-Howland.
You think so? Well take a look at TCU's history. And while you're at it, take a look at Trent Richardson's pre-TCU resume. How about Billy Tubbs? Heard of him? How many NCAA tournaments did he go to in his 8 years at TCU? And where did he end up after TCU?

There's no comparison to Pitt. Not even close. And even if there was, Ben Howland gets the credit for resurrecting Pitt basketball from the dead.. Not his assistant. Dixon took it from there and did very well for a time. That time passed.
 
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