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My Case for Stallings

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Ok, let me throw in my two cents. As someone who has been a Pitt fan for 15 years and lived in Nashville for the last decade, I've followed both programs very closely. This hire is not at all what I expected. But I'm an optimist by nature and have no choice but to spin this positively.

First, let me put an end to the criticism of Stallings b/c of the incident with Baldwin last year. Keep in mind that Baldwin had just taunted the opponent and acted like a punk. Stallings was just calling him out and getting after him for unacceptable behavior. That whole thing was overblown. The guy runs a clean program and recruits good kids who generally stay out of trouble and graduate.

Stallings is a good basketball coach--especially offensively and in special situations. Between 2003-2011 he averaged 22 wins and went to six NCAA tournaments. The last four years have been a disappointment, but he did make the NCAA tournament this year with a young team. Keep in mind that Vandy is a difficult job. I realize the SEC is nowhere near the ACC as a basketball conference, but he battled against some good coaches in the East for years- Calipari, Donovan, Pearl. Most importantly, recruiting at Vandy is a different animal with its academic requirements. When you purely look at the recruiting rankings, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Like Pitt, Nashville is not a hotbed for high school basketball. He's had to recruit guys nationally. Stallings has recruited well and developed guys--including a handful of NBA talent.

In terms of X's and O's and game planning, Pitt will be on par with the best coaches in the ACC. I imagine that he'll put together a good staff. His top assistant, Tom Richardson, has a tremendous reputation as a skill development guru and for his scouting. I really hope that he keeps Brandon Knight b/c I do worry about kids transferring and losing our current recruiting class. I think they need that link to the past tradition of Pitt--that blue-collar culture of hard work, great defense and being physical.

I realize this hire is being met with a lot of criticism, but we have hired a good basketball coach. Ok, that's my best attempt to spin things positively. Judging a guy before he's made any impact on the program is not productive.
 
If we're talking Mike Brey, then I'm in. ND seems to have high standards and Brey record there is much superior to Stallings and in a tougher conference. Appreciate your attempt but for me I just can't see any positive in this hire given other options available. Even more disturbing would be if those other options flat out turned Pitt down.
 
exactly, he has to be given a chance. It isn't like Pitt has been beating the breaks off of their competition the last 5 years
No, 98% of coaches that could have come here should be given a chance. He is not 1 of them.
 
Ok, let me throw in my two cents. As someone who has been a Pitt fan for 15 years and lived in Nashville for the last decade, I've followed both programs very closely. This hire is not at all what I expected. But I'm an optimist by nature and have no choice but to spin this positively.

First, let me put an end to the criticism of Stallings b/c of the incident with Baldwin last year. Keep in mind that Baldwin had just taunted the opponent and acted like a punk. Stallings was just calling him out and getting after him for unacceptable behavior. That whole thing was overblown. The guy runs a clean program and recruits good kids who generally stay out of trouble and graduate.

Stallings is a good basketball coach--especially offensively and in special situations. Between 2003-2011 he averaged 22 wins and went to six NCAA tournaments. The last four years have been a disappointment, but he did make the NCAA tournament this year with a young team. Keep in mind that Vandy is a difficult job. I realize the SEC is nowhere near the ACC as a basketball conference, but he battled against some good coaches in the East for years- Calipari, Donovan, Pearl. Most importantly, recruiting at Vandy is a different animal with its academic requirements. When you purely look at the recruiting rankings, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Like Pitt, Nashville is not a hotbed for high school basketball. He's had to recruit guys nationally. Stallings has recruited well and developed guys--including a handful of NBA talent.

In terms of X's and O's and game planning, Pitt will be on par with the best coaches in the ACC. I imagine that he'll put together a good staff. His top assistant, Tom Richardson, has a tremendous reputation as a skill development guru and for his scouting. I really hope that he keeps Brandon Knight b/c I do worry about kids transferring and losing our current recruiting class. I think they need that link to the past tradition of Pitt--that blue-collar culture of hard work, great defense and being physical.

I realize this hire is being met with a lot of criticism, but we have hired a good basketball coach. Ok, that's my best attempt to spin things positively. Judging a guy before he's made any impact on the program is not productive.

Well said.
 
I appreciate the op and his rationale. I hope we are all wrong and have to eat serious crow. I just don't see it
 
If we're talking Mike Brey, then I'm in. ND seems to have high standards and Brey record there is much superior to Stallings and in a tougher conference. Appreciate your attempt but for me I just can't see any positive in this hire given other options available. Even more disturbing would be if those other options flat out turned Pitt down.
One thing though....ND > Pitt. Always has been. Always will be.
 
Ok, let me throw in my two cents. As someone who has been a Pitt fan for 15 years and lived in Nashville for the last decade, I've followed both programs very closely. This hire is not at all what I expected. But I'm an optimist by nature and have no choice but to spin this positively.

First, let me put an end to the criticism of Stallings b/c of the incident with Baldwin last year. Keep in mind that Baldwin had just taunted the opponent and acted like a punk. Stallings was just calling him out and getting after him for unacceptable behavior. That whole thing was overblown. The guy runs a clean program and recruits good kids who generally stay out of trouble and graduate.

Stallings is a good basketball coach--especially offensively and in special situations. Between 2003-2011 he averaged 22 wins and went to six NCAA tournaments. The last four years have been a disappointment, but he did make the NCAA tournament this year with a young team. Keep in mind that Vandy is a difficult job. I realize the SEC is nowhere near the ACC as a basketball conference, but he battled against some good coaches in the East for years- Calipari, Donovan, Pearl. Most importantly, recruiting at Vandy is a different animal with its academic requirements. When you purely look at the recruiting rankings, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Like Pitt, Nashville is not a hotbed for high school basketball. He's had to recruit guys nationally. Stallings has recruited well and developed guys--including a handful of NBA talent.

In terms of X's and O's and game planning, Pitt will be on par with the best coaches in the ACC. I imagine that he'll put together a good staff. His top assistant, Tom Richardson, has a tremendous reputation as a skill development guru and for his scouting. I really hope that he keeps Brandon Knight b/c I do worry about kids transferring and losing our current recruiting class. I think they need that link to the past tradition of Pitt--that blue-collar culture of hard work, great defense and being physical.

I realize this hire is being met with a lot of criticism, but we have hired a good basketball coach. Ok, that's my best attempt to spin things positively. Judging a guy before he's made any impact on the program is not productive.

Good stuff. Thank you. At some point, at Pitt fans we are going to need to get behind our new coach.
 
Ok, let me throw in my two cents. As someone who has been a Pitt fan for 15 years and lived in Nashville for the last decade, I've followed both programs very closely. This hire is not at all what I expected. But I'm an optimist by nature and have no choice but to spin this positively.

First, let me put an end to the criticism of Stallings b/c of the incident with Baldwin last year. Keep in mind that Baldwin had just taunted the opponent and acted like a punk. Stallings was just calling him out and getting after him for unacceptable behavior. That whole thing was overblown. The guy runs a clean program and recruits good kids who generally stay out of trouble and graduate.

Stallings is a good basketball coach--especially offensively and in special situations. Between 2003-2011 he averaged 22 wins and went to six NCAA tournaments. The last four years have been a disappointment, but he did make the NCAA tournament this year with a young team. Keep in mind that Vandy is a difficult job. I realize the SEC is nowhere near the ACC as a basketball conference, but he battled against some good coaches in the East for years- Calipari, Donovan, Pearl. Most importantly, recruiting at Vandy is a different animal with its academic requirements. When you purely look at the recruiting rankings, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Like Pitt, Nashville is not a hotbed for high school basketball. He's had to recruit guys nationally. Stallings has recruited well and developed guys--including a handful of NBA talent.

In terms of X's and O's and game planning, Pitt will be on par with the best coaches in the ACC. I imagine that he'll put together a good staff. His top assistant, Tom Richardson, has a tremendous reputation as a skill development guru and for his scouting. I really hope that he keeps Brandon Knight b/c I do worry about kids transferring and losing our current recruiting class. I think they need that link to the past tradition of Pitt--that blue-collar culture of hard work, great defense and being physical.

I realize this hire is being met with a lot of criticism, but we have hired a good basketball coach. Ok, that's my best attempt to spin things positively. Judging a guy before he's made any impact on the program is not productive.
This year's Vandy team supposedly has two first round draft picks, and they lost in a Tuesday play-in game. Even if he has recruited well, he still didn't win.
 
Wooden had a damn fine career going up to around 1962 - winning at like 70% after 17 years coaching - then the damnedest thing happened and he went on to finish with a career win percent of 80% with a few NCAA titles after only making the NCAA 3 times in those first 17 years. Happened once, could happen again.
 
Ok, let me throw in my two cents. As someone who has been a Pitt fan for 15 years and lived in Nashville for the last decade, I've followed both programs very closely. This hire is not at all what I expected. But I'm an optimist by nature and have no choice but to spin this positively.

First, let me put an end to the criticism of Stallings b/c of the incident with Baldwin last year. Keep in mind that Baldwin had just taunted the opponent and acted like a punk. Stallings was just calling him out and getting after him for unacceptable behavior. That whole thing was overblown. The guy runs a clean program and recruits good kids who generally stay out of trouble and graduate.

Stallings is a good basketball coach--especially offensively and in special situations. Between 2003-2011 he averaged 22 wins and went to six NCAA tournaments. The last four years have been a disappointment, but he did make the NCAA tournament this year with a young team. Keep in mind that Vandy is a difficult job. I realize the SEC is nowhere near the ACC as a basketball conference, but he battled against some good coaches in the East for years- Calipari, Donovan, Pearl. Most importantly, recruiting at Vandy is a different animal with its academic requirements. When you purely look at the recruiting rankings, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Like Pitt, Nashville is not a hotbed for high school basketball. He's had to recruit guys nationally. Stallings has recruited well and developed guys--including a handful of NBA talent.

In terms of X's and O's and game planning, Pitt will be on par with the best coaches in the ACC. I imagine that he'll put together a good staff. His top assistant, Tom Richardson, has a tremendous reputation as a skill development guru and for his scouting. I really hope that he keeps Brandon Knight b/c I do worry about kids transferring and losing our current recruiting class. I think they need that link to the past tradition of Pitt--that blue-collar culture of hard work, great defense and being physical.

I realize this hire is being met with a lot of criticism, but we have hired a good basketball coach. Ok, that's my best attempt to spin things positively. Judging a guy before he's made any impact on the program is not productive.
Thank you for this. I am happy with this hire. Despite what some think, Kevin is a family man of high integrity and runs a clean program. He is a very good X's and O's coach and has recruited well -- maybe not by national standards but compared to Vandy standards. He has developed NBA players and had two in his current roster, no worse than on par with Pitt over the last decade in terms of NBA talent. Plus, it's not like Vandy has much of a local recruiting base and their facility is antiquated.

Everyone needs to relax and give him a chance. He actually gives Pitt the best chance to be good next year. Artis and Young clearly need a wake up call because they have all the talent in the world.
 
Did you just compare JOHN WOODEN to KEVIN STALLINGS ? You should be banned for life
Just trying to see the possibilities here and offer a glimmer of hope. :) If banning for life would make it happen then sign me up - gladly pay that price - I could only imagine the dissatisfaction with Wooden on this board after he won back to back titles only to miss the NCAA completely - then again he did run of 7 titles in a row after that. Hard part would be finding a Sam Gilbert. LOL.
 
Thank you for this. I am happy with this hire. Despite what some think, Kevin is a family man of high integrity and runs a clean program. He is a very good X's and O's coach and has recruited well -- maybe not by national standards but compared to Vandy standards. He has developed NBA players and had two in his current roster, no worse than on par with Pitt over the last decade in terms of NBA talent. Plus, it's not like Vandy has much of a local recruiting base and their facility is antiquated.

Everyone needs to relax and give him a chance. He actually gives Pitt the best chance to be good next year. Artis and Young clearly need a wake up call because they have all the talent in the world.

Yeah... I agree. Is he who I would have wanted? No. Am I willing to give the guy a chance? Absolutely.
 
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This is a retread hire. He's not an upper echelon hire ,he's not a young up and comer . Pitt needed a guy to inspire or reinspire the fan base. This doesn't do it. Pitt traded down.
 
Ok, let me throw in my two cents. As someone who has been a Pitt fan for 15 years and lived in Nashville for the last decade, I've followed both programs very closely. This hire is not at all what I expected. But I'm an optimist by nature and have no choice but to spin this positively.

First, let me put an end to the criticism of Stallings b/c of the incident with Baldwin last year. Keep in mind that Baldwin had just taunted the opponent and acted like a punk. Stallings was just calling him out and getting after him for unacceptable behavior. That whole thing was overblown. The guy runs a clean program and recruits good kids who generally stay out of trouble and graduate.

Stallings is a good basketball coach--especially offensively and in special situations. Between 2003-2011 he averaged 22 wins and went to six NCAA tournaments. The last four years have been a disappointment, but he did make the NCAA tournament this year with a young team. Keep in mind that Vandy is a difficult job. I realize the SEC is nowhere near the ACC as a basketball conference, but he battled against some good coaches in the East for years- Calipari, Donovan, Pearl. Most importantly, recruiting at Vandy is a different animal with its academic requirements. When you purely look at the recruiting rankings, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Like Pitt, Nashville is not a hotbed for high school basketball. He's had to recruit guys nationally. Stallings has recruited well and developed guys--including a handful of NBA talent.

In terms of X's and O's and game planning, Pitt will be on par with the best coaches in the ACC. I imagine that he'll put together a good staff. His top assistant, Tom Richardson, has a tremendous reputation as a skill development guru and for his scouting. I really hope that he keeps Brandon Knight b/c I do worry about kids transferring and losing our current recruiting class. I think they need that link to the past tradition of Pitt--that blue-collar culture of hard work, great defense and being physical.

I realize this hire is being met with a lot of criticism, but we have hired a good basketball coach. Ok, that's my best attempt to spin things positively. Judging a guy before he's made any impact on the program is not productive.
I'm a Tennessee native with strong ties to Vanderbilt. I think what you say makes sense. And I will ads this: Stallings is a protege of Roy Williams who trained former UNC player King Rice, the current Monmouth coach, in the coaching biz. In hiring Stallings, Pitt basketball is linking itself to the UNC tree, and as Stallings ain't no spring chicken, that may mean that within a few years Pitt is replacing the retiring Stallings with a Jared Haase or King Rice.
 
Artis and Young ain't coming back bud
Why would they leave. One more year - and they would have to sit if transfer. Artis is already 23 and Young will be 22 this year and neither will be a draft pick. Guess they could leave for Europe. Ditto Jones. Cam has already sat a year. Luther has two years left and Loves Pitt. Odds are against much attrition of the current roster - might be some - would expect the recruits to be more in limbo.
 
Why would they leave. One more year - and they would have to sit if transfer. Artis is already 23 and Young will be 22 this year and neither will a draft pick. Guess they could leave for Europe. Ditto Jones. Cam since he already sat a year. Luther has two years left and Loves Pitt. Odds are against much attrition of the current roster - might be some - would expect the recruits to be more in limbo.

In pretty sure Jones will be able to grad transfer.
 
Why would they leave. One more year - and they would have to sit if transfer. Artis is already 23 and Young will be 22 this year and neither will be a draft pick. Guess they could leave for Europe. Ditto Jones. Cam has already sat a year. Luther has two years left and Loves Pitt. Odds are against much attrition of the current roster - might be some - would expect the recruits to be more in limbo.

-A better question is why would they come back? For what?
 
-A better question is why would they come back? For what?
Potential to raise their draft stock. Worked out for Hield who might have gone 2nd round but is now looking at mid 1st round.
Finish their degrees too. Just don't see much upside in them leaving unless they feel they could now make it in Europe, D-league?
 
Potential to raise their draft stock. Worked out for Hield who might have gone 2nd round but is now looking at mid 1st round.
Finish their degrees too. Just don't see much upside in them leaving unless they feel they could now make it in Europe, D-league?

-Really? Look at their ages, they arent even close to being on a draft radar right now.
 
Where are they going?

Foreign league if anything. And if that's what they want to do why not do it now? They're not NBA players regardless so if they wanna play ball for a living I'd give it a shot now.

If not they stick it out and hopefully get a degree. May do that anyway and then go play.

But the thought of them bouncing isn't crazy.
 
Wooden had a damn fine career going up to around 1962 - winning at like 70% after 17 years coaching - then the damnedest thing happened and he went on to finish with a career win percent of 80% with a few NCAA titles after only making the NCAA 3 times in those first 17 years. Happened once, could happen again.


Ye$, that'$ a good point. It make$ one wonder how that po$$ibly could have happened? $urely $omething mu$t have changed. I wonder what it wa$? Maybe $omeone could inve$tigate that and try to figure it out.

Or perhap$ $omeone already ha$?
 
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-Really? Look at their ages, they arent even close to being on a draft radar right now.
Yes if you read my earlier post you'll see I noted their ages. Hield btw is no spring chicken either which is why he wasn't going after last year. The NBA draft is clearly based more on potential and not results. And it's better to be 19-20 than 22-23.
 
I'm a Tennessee native with strong ties to Vanderbilt. I think what you say makes sense. And I will ads this: Stallings is a protege of Roy Williams who trained former UNC player King Rice, the current Monmouth coach, in the coaching biz. In hiring Stallings, Pitt basketball is linking itself to the UNC tree, and as Stallings ain't no spring chicken, that may mean that within a few years Pitt is replacing the retiring Stallings with a Jared Haase or King Rice.

No, they won't. They'll be starting from scratch in 3-4 years praying to get back to the level they just ran the current guy out of town for achieving.

Pitt as a collective (fans and admins alike) seems completely incapable of learning from their previous gaffes - which have been numerous..:because we're stupid.
 
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Serious question: Where does Stallings fit in as far as the stated desire for a more up-tempo offense?
Another poster looked it up - in past 4 years he was a hair better than Dixon -something like 192, 200, 300, 300 - while Jamie was always a solid 300 guy. So no significant difference. This will not be 40 minutes of hell, the Ville, or even Press Viriginia (gotta love that one).
 
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I don't doubt that Stallings is a decent coach, but he isn't the coach that Pitt needs right now. Based on what he did at Vandy, he was trending down and even if you got him at his best, you are hiring a coach who has peaked at the same level as Dixon did. I think we all hoped Pitt would find a coach who could help elevate the program, not one who can maybe keep it in the middle of the ACC.
 
Stallings only chance is to have a successful first year, and land some recruits that will draw some excitement. He is already in a bad position.
 
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