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NCAA aims to crack down on boosters disguising 'pay for play' as name, image and likeness payments

This article sure doesn’t give the impression that the NCAA can do anything effective to curb these NIL collectives.

Only thing that’s going to effectively curb this is getting rid of or limiting the immediate transfer eligibility capability. Pro athletes don’t even have that freedom.
 
This article sure doesn’t give the impression that the NCAA can do anything effective to curb these NIL collectives.

Only thing that’s going to effectively curb this is getting rid of or limiting the immediate transfer eligibility capability. Pro athletes don’t even have that freedom.

Yep, that is almost literally the only - or at least the most - reasonable fix that the NCAA itself could implement. And I honestly don't understand why it is so villainized.
 
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“Aims” and “hopes” to have guidelines fix policy violations.

If it’s already a policy violation, enforce as such now.
 
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This article sure doesn’t give the impression that the NCAA can do anything effective to curb these NIL collectives.

Only thing that’s going to effectively curb this is getting rid of or limiting the immediate transfer eligibility capability. Pro athletes don’t even have that freedom.
Having the collectives can be OK as long as their "salary" isnt "pay for play." If Addison gets 5 million from Texas, only like 100K of that is for him doing work for legitimate local businesses. The other 4.9 million is pay for play. As I said, no 2022 NFL 1st Round pick will make $5 million off NIL, yet a college WE can?
 
If someone is dumb enough to pay 5 million for any WR in college , he has his priorities all wrong.
Texas will suck regardless, at least wait until they get into the SEC to throw his money away.
 
Having the collectives can be OK as long as their "salary" isnt "pay for play." If Addison gets 5 million from Texas, only like 100K of that is for him doing work for legitimate local businesses. The other 4.9 million is pay for play. As I said, no 2022 NFL 1st Round pick will make $5 million off NIL, yet a college WE can?
That may all be true but the question is, can the NCAA do anything about it. I highly doubt it.
 
That may all be true but the question is, can the NCAA do anything about it. I highly doubt it.
Depending on the marketing opportunity it is not hard to cost it out! Car commercials, grand openings, T shirts......these are fairly easy to figure the real cost (value) to endorse.
 
Here is where the danger lies. When you allow agents to negotiate these deals, it now becomes a feeding frenzy of the richest. It reminds me when Barry Bonds was entering free agency, the Pirates (then) countered with a really acceptable offer that would have made him the highest paid guy. But agents...you know, "if Pittsburgh can offer you X, then NYC or LA (or SF) can offer you X+1".

Agents make their money off of the value of their clients contract, so he is going to push the kid for a bidding war. That is not about kids now getting compensated, it is abject greed and ego and "setting the market" so agents (and players) can compare penis sizes.

When you have it now, it is absolutely zero difference than Pro Sports. In fact, it is much worse, because with pro sports there drafts, contract, free agent rules, even in the MLB.
 
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Depending on the marketing opportunity it is not hard to cost it out! Car commercials, grand openings, T shirts......these are fairly easy to figure the real cost (value) to endorse.
I think you’re fooling yourself. Particularly with these NIL collectives where there are multiple companies involved.
 
Here is where the danger lies. When you allow agents to negotiate these deals, it now becomes a feeding frenzy of the richest. It reminds me when Barry Bonds was entering free agency, the Pirates (then) countered with a really acceptable offer that would have made him the highest paid guy. But agents...you know, "if Pittsburgh can offer you X, then NYC or LA (or SF) can offer you X+1".

Agents make their money off of the value of their clients contract, so he is going to push the kid for a bidding war. That is not about kids now getting compensated, it is abject greed and ego and "setting the market" so agents (and players) can compare penis sizes.

When you have it now, it is absolutely zero difference than Pro Sports. In fact, it is much worse, because with pro sports there drafts, contract, free agent rules, even in the MLB.
Absolutely. The biggest donor base, and / or school in the biggest market will have a significant advantage.

That was obvious from the first mention of NIL. It should be no surprise to anyone that things have gotten to this point so quickly.
 
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When it doesn't pay off as to wins and playoffs, the spending will decrease and the novelty of this will fade as to reckless spending. But there will be programs that will always be interested in gaining an edge. In some form it is here to stay.
 
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I think you’re fooling yourself. Particularly with these NIL collectives where there are multiple companies involved.
Its easy to do. Hire some sports marketing people. They know the type of local deals that NFL guys get. Some college guy getting 7 figures raises mJor red flags because there's only so many car commercials or lawyer billboards they can appear on. Lets say Addison makes $5 million from the collective and the collective says its all legit because a lawyer paid them $1 million for his services, 2 car dealerships, 1 dentist, and some local developer......well those are ALL well above market deals and should be for pay for play. I mean they can have me do it if they want. It would be so easy to figure out the market rates for these athletes.
 
Its easy to do. Hire some sports marketing people. They know the type of local deals that NFL guys get. Some college guy getting 7 figures raises mJor red flags because there's only so many car commercials or lawyer billboards they can appear on. Lets say Addison makes $5 million from the collective and the collective says its all legit because a lawyer paid them $1 million for his services, 2 car dealerships, 1 dentist, and some local developer......well those are ALL well above market deals and should be for pay for play. I mean they can have me do it if they want. It would be so easy to figure out the market rates for these athletes.
I can only imagine how long the Chick fil a drive through line would be if you took the time off needed to do that study.
 
Its easy to do. Hire some sports marketing people. They know the type of local deals that NFL guys get. Some college guy getting 7 figures raises mJor red flags because there's only so many car commercials or lawyer billboards they can appear on. Lets say Addison makes $5 million from the collective and the collective says its all legit because a lawyer paid them $1 million for his services, 2 car dealerships, 1 dentist, and some local developer......well those are ALL well above market deals and should be for pay for play. I mean they can have me do it if they want. It would be so easy to figure out the market rates for these athletes.
Something like that would never stand up in court.
 
Something like that would never stand up in court.
LOL. Conspiring to set a price ceiling for paying players at $0 has stood up in court. Amateurism has stood up. If the NCAA tells these kids that their study shows they are worth 100K in NIL and $1.9 million of it was pay for play, well, they aint "amateurs." SMF, Esq says that holds up
 
When it doesn't pay off as to wins and playoffs, the spending will decrease and the novelty of this will fade as to reckless spending. But there will be programs that will always be interested in gaining an edge. In some form it is here to stay.

^^This.

There's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. The novelty will wear off as soon as the billionaire booster gets tired of giving away his money. Their spicket has to dry up eventually. Sooner or later, there will be a market correction.
 
LOL. Conspiring to set a price ceiling for paying players at $0 has stood up in court. Amateurism has stood up. If the NCAA tells these kids that their study shows they are worth 100K in NIL and $1.9 million of it was pay for play, well, they aint "amateurs." SMF, Esq says that holds up

The NCAA. 🤣🤣🤣
 
It won't matter.

There is a reason's Miami's Ruiz tweets out every deal he signs a player to. That in itself is setting Miami's rep as a go to for large NIL deals. These numbers leaked for Addison are great publicity for USC. Players and their agents will seek these deals out themselves because these places are getting reps for paying big $. Can't be stopped. Like Ruiz vaguely threatened, NCAA will get litigated into the ground if they try to curb this.
 
It won't matter.

There is a reason's Miami's Ruiz tweets out every deal he signs a player to. That in itself is setting Miami's rep as a go to for large NIL deals. These numbers leaked for Addison are great publicity for USC. Players and their agents will seek these deals out themselves because these places are getting reps for paying big $. Can't be stopped. Like Ruiz vaguely threatened, NCAA will get litigated into the ground if they try to curb this.
Why are they allowed to set a price floor of $0 for player salary but would lose a court case if the Miami players sued them because the NCAA said the majority of their Life Wallet deal was pay for play since they are making more than most NBA players?

If the NCAA allows pay for play, then fine. But they currently do not. I don't appreciate them having a no pay for play rule but then allow these pay for play NIL deals. Those Miami players are maybe worth 25K to a company like Life Wallet, if that. The other 775K is pay for play.
 
Why are they allowed to set a price floor of $0 for player salary but would lose a court case if the Miami players sued them because the NCAA said the majority of their Life Wallet deal was pay for play since they are making more than most NBA players?

If the NCAA allows pay for play, then fine. But they currently do not. I don't appreciate them having a no pay for play rule but then allow these pay for play NIL deals. Those Miami players are maybe worth 25K to a company like Life Wallet, if that. The other 775K is pay for play.

All the powerful member schools engaged in pay for play through the NIL essentially are the NCAA. They aren't going to enforce ir. The NCAA as we've known it isn't even going to exist for college football.
 
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