Ncaa: No new bowls! (for now)
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still don't understand how football fans want these eliminated or reduced.. They are basically exhibition games against good opponents (usually), they are another game, a free trip for the players, a chance to extend the season, more practices, blah blah. Companies and cities want to host/sponsor them, players and coaches want to play in them, what's the problem? Seriously, what is the downside to this?
It's bowl games, its pitt playing a team they usually don't play in late December or early January. Nothing more than a glorified exhibition, 3 hours of entertainment (again, usually). Do you have anything else taking your time away on a Wednesday afternoon on dec 29th?
It's bowl games, its pitt playing a team they usually don't play in late December or early January. Nothing more than a glorified exhibition, 3 hours of entertainment (again, usually). Do you have anything else taking your time away on a Wednesday afternoon on dec 29th?
think it's more from the uproar of perceived travesty of a 5-7 team playing in the postseason. The problem is people look at these bowl games as a post season. it's not, well the bcs games or whatever they call the mini tournament obviously is a post season but these other bowl games, the 95% games are nothing more than exhibition games, not some sort of postseason. So a 5 win team plays in one over a 6 win team, is there really that big of a difference?
Again, if a city wants to host one, will pay the bills and a sponsor wants to give out free iphones and play station 8's to the participants, then great, one more game for a college football fan to watch..
I agree with you 100%. If someone wasn't watching them then the games would not be played. With all the work and time the players put in I have no problem rewarding them with a trip at the end of the season. Regardless of record every player has done something to earn it. I would like to see a few changes made. First no conference tie ins. Have a selection committee select teams to get interesting match ups. Where you go should be based on record not on ticket sales. Get teams to a variety of places and opponents. Last year was a perfect example. How great would have been a Pitt-Penn State game? The last thing would be have a signing day for coaches. Teams are not allowed to hire a new coach until after the season is complete. Sanction teams or coaches who leave early or hired early. For example is a coach leaves before the bowl game then they are not allowed to coach in a bowl game at the new school the following year . That means he can't attend any pre bowl game meetings or practices.
I get your point. Can't dismiss what you're saying because there are few downsides to being in a bowl from a player or coach perspective.
I personally would like to see a bigger tournament for the championship so that there are more teams playing for a title. I think within a few years it would add some competitive balance as kids realize they can play for a championship at non-football factories.
It sure hasn't hurt basketball in that regard. Big state schools are on a pretty level field with smaller schools. (I know the logic might be flawed but on some level it makes sense to me.
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no insider but I'd have to imagine smart money is on the side of the tournament extending to 8 teams in the near future.. 8 is enough imo, the 9th or 10th best team in the country complaining about being left out will have 1 or 2 losses on their schedule. Some usual bitching about teams being left out over other teams but you'll have that no matter how big the tournament.I get your point. Can't dismiss what you're saying because there are few downsides to being in a bowl from a player or coach perspective.
I personally would like to see a bigger tournament for the championship so that there are more teams playing for a title. I think within a few years it would add some competitive balance as kids realize they can play for a championship at non-football factories.
It sure hasn't hurt basketball in that regard. Big state schools are on a pretty level field with smaller schools. (I know the logic might be flawed but on some level it makes sense to me.
Logistics do come into play though. 8 teams means 3 weeks, that means 15 games, 2 or 3 more than most other teams. 3 weeks means 3 weekends of traveling out of state for fans.. Hotel rooms and bar tabs add up when you multiply them by 3. Too rich for my blood, of course most things are..
That's not fair. Think of all of those players who grew-up receiving participation trophies who now have to be told that their losing college team won't be going to a bowl game.
Will grief counselors have to go to the schools to help the players sort things out?
Will their parents be afraid to leave their homes because of the shame of their son not being bowl-bound?
Will there be a class action lawsuit filed on behalf of the deprived players?
Will Rev. Al and Jesse Jackson be on the news - maybe even ESPN? - to talk about the minorities who feel disenfranchised?
Oh, the humanity!
Agreed but I think there's enough money in it that it could work for the schools. A home playoff game and Heinz.....let us dream for a moment.....
That also bugs me. Why is a two loss team sub-par in the NCAA but a team with a similar winning percentage in the NFL is good enough to compete for a championship? I know the playing field is a lot more level in the NFL but I think if you open the door for more teams, the talent spreads out more. A 5 star from the WPIAL doesn't have to go to Alabama to compete for a title. He could stay home and do it. The barrier to entry is to high right now. There are a few schools that have the market cornered. A bigger tournament could change that.
I don't know. Just my crazy opinion.
oh Christ, give me a break. You really think going to the compass bowl or motor city bowl is really some sort of incredible reward given to entitled youth? It's another game for the networks to show during a time when most people are home from work.. It's another game for kids to play and fans to watch and coaches to coach..
Rev. Al and Jesse Jackson find their way into a bowl game thread, confused, amused but definitely confused.. save the minority youth entitled sarcasm for appropriate threads, it makes no sense here
I'll assume that your "Satire Detector" software hasn't been updated for a few years...
it's in the shop.. wait a sec, your post with sarcasm font was satirical? So that's double satire, wouldn't the satire on the original satirical post negate each other? We need to discuss a double satirical font color parrothead..I'll assume that your "Satire Detector" software hasn't been updated for a few years...
That's the way I feel. What do you want ESPN to show, more Poker? If you don't want to watch it, don't watch it. If you do, go for it. Now that being said, all of these mediocre bowls with mediocre teams, don't expect it to be a fan's obligation to spend money to attend these bowls. That's the rub. When you have these 100,000 undergrad behomoths with a million alumni, you can get 10-25K to go to a bowl game. But it is not fair to expect the fans to drop everything for a meaningless football game.
well if it's not a money maker (and I don't know if it is or it isn't) then cities and companies will quit sponsoring/hosting them.. Honestly, I cant imagine ticket sales are the driving force for a lot of these mediocre bowls, im sure they give most of them away to local charities anyways.. But if the game is there, and the ratings are there enough for the espn's to pay to broadcast it, and the program wants to be in it, then there literally is no downside..
I say 12 teams. Make it so conference championship and season still has meaning. The other lower levels have 24 teams and teams playing 16 games. Even pa high school teams play 16 games. There no reason why FBS schools can't do the same.
Top 4 teams get bye week and host second round game.
Next 4 teams host opening week.
5 power get auto bids
3 highest ranked non power 5 ranked conference champions (if ranked in top 25) or independent if ranked in the top 10 get auto bid. If three teams do not meet criteria then highest ranked non champion get in.
The 8 auto bids are seeded 1-8.
The 4 at large are then seeded 1-4.
The top 4 auto bid teams get bye and host second round.
The other 4 auto bid teams host the 4 at large teams in the first round.
Here is how it would play out if the higher ranked team won all games. Honestly this would be 4 weeks of great games.
1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. MSU
4. Oklahoma
5. Iowa* highest ranked at large
6. Stanford
7. Notre Dame
8. Houston
At Large Team:
9. Ohio State
10. Florida State
11. North Carolina
12. TCU
Round 1 (December 19)
TCU at Iowa
North Carolina at Stanford
Florida State at Notre Dame
Ohio State at Houston
Round 2 (Decenber 26)
Iowa at Oklahoma
Stanford at Michigan State
Notre Dame at Alabama
Ohio State at Clemson
Semifinal At Bowl games (Jan 2)
Clemson vs Oklahoma (Orange Bowl)
Alabama vs MSU (Cotton Bowl)
Championship (Jan 9 or 16)
Clemson vs Alabama (University of Pheonix Stadium)
you put some thought into this.. I like it. Hey, more games the better.. like the idea of some home games til the last 2 anyways..
Yea I never really understood the uproar over the influx of bowl games.......If you don't like it, don't watch....It is not like they are holding a gun to your head
Yeah no kidding. I mean, I am usually off the last two weeks. Let's see, it is snowing out, cold, dark, lots of food and booze in the house, put a fire on, and watch a meaningless game between say NC State and Texas Tech? What is so bad about that? That I am not watching that ridiculous sitcom with that Sheldon character?
I view the bowls ideally as part of a meaningful postseason. I can and do accept the value and reward of something like a Sun Bowl championship. Of course, it's hard to argue that went a 5-7 or 6-6 or even a 7-5 team plays in one.
For me, I'd want to see about 15 bowls. Enough for all the conference winners and the rest of the top 25.
I don't have outrage myself towards them, but part of it is that the bowls hold a lot of schools hostage for tickets. If you don't go, your school foots the bill. That's part of the reason why so many Pitt fans were giddy about playing in Annapolis.
It is silly to me though, that two teams who would absolutely refuse to play a home and home would agree to play in a game at least 500 miles from either campus.
I'd add that bowls should only be held in places that are traditionally desirable destinations for fans. Limit the bowls to Florida, New Orleans, Arizona....there are others, too, but not many. Give fans something to look forward to besides the game.
I think most of them already are.
But I do think accessibility is equally important, especially for northern schools.
I mean, I would rank Hawaii as an equal or better location, but few here are going to be able to go to that Bowl should Pitt ever play in it, for obvious reasons.
But I do think accessibility is equally important, especially for northern schools.
I mean, I would rank Hawaii as an equal or better location, but few here are going to be able to go to that Bowl should Pitt ever play in it, for obvious reasons.
Not trying to nitpick, but here are a few places that I'd find less-than-attractive for a bowl trip: Montgomery, AL; Birmingham, AL; Mobile, AL; Boise, ID; Shreveport, LA; Detroit, MI; and Albuquerque, NM. Yet they were all sites of a bowl game in 2015.
I don't expect everyone to agree, but I'd predict that Pitt fans wouldn't be too plentiful at any of the above locations. Well, maybe Detroit, but only because it's drivable.
That the conference's fault. They want bigger payouts so it looks good so they agree to it. The B1G this round took less money and now have no ticket purchase requirement.
Well, I did say most
.I agree with Detroit and it's drivabilty for many Pitt fans. Same with NYC...it's a good place for Pitt, pay, bc, Syracuse, even Virginia fans. I'm sure fans of sec schools would prefer Mobile or Shreveport
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But say if it Detroit? So you get up in the morning and drive up for the game then drive home! WHOOOPIE. What an experience. No one says, "I want to spend Christmas in Detroit!"
So again, I have no problems with bowls. They make for great filler TV in a time where there is a lot of down time for people. But don't expect me to fork over time and money to go to one of these crappy bowls.
Let the higher seeds' play home games in the 1st round. That solves some of your concern.
I agree, it should be that way til you get to the last NC game or even the last two, let them be designated to the corresponding bowl game sites..
