You mean 3 ranked teams, and Temple skews their standing. Too much soft in between. Like I said, they fell following a win. Even the pollsters are turning on them.
ND should be ranked #1
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There is no factual way to prove either is better. Even playing each other there can be a one time outcome. I certainly can say an undefeated P5 team is not good enough to be ranked over 1 loss teams. Iowa is a clear example of that.
BTW back to the former point that "no way in hell UT is better than UNC"...UNC lost to South Carolina. Seriously, they did. We are UNC's best win and we haven't beaten a team with a winning record.
So what does Iowa have to do to meet your standards? It will work out in the end as they will probably play Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship, but that's totally false to say it's clear they're not as good as a one loss team. When somebody beats them, yeah they'll drop way lower than the other one loss teams, but that hasn't happened.
As for Carolina, why does Alabama get a pass for losing to Ole Miss but UNC just lost to South Carolina because they're no good? The only argument I've heard about the Alabama/Ole Miss game was that Alabama turned the ball over, lucky play by Ole Miss, one time deal type of thing. But Carolina plays the worst they've played in years and loses to South Carolina and now they're just not that good. I will give you Carolina has beaten some really pedestrian teams though, including 2 FCS teams. That has nothing to do though with Tennessee not being a very good team.
Carolina and Alabama both have one loss because they are beatable. They also only have one loss because they're really good teams. But let's say Iowa remains undefeated, then upsets Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship. How could you possibly say Alabama is still better than them? I know that's a stretch, but if you want to look at resumes, which is basically the criteria, a loss on your resume is already less impressive than winning every game.
ND never has a soft schedule. =Toughest schedule outside of the SEC west.
I'm just curious, have you watched Bama play lately?
They have NFL talent at 21 of the 22 positions you play football with. Huge, explosively fast, physically dominant. Their O and D lines are NFL level right now. Derrick Henry is bigger than any DE or LB on our team, yet he's as explosive and fast as anyone that plays his position anywhere. They are coached better than anyone. Their only weakness is at QB, and Coker isn't bad--he's just not great. Can someone beat them on a given day? Sure, any team can have a bad day and lose, and that happened to Bama--once. Don't bet against it happening again. I believe they would roll Clemson, and hopefully the two teams get a chance to play and prove me right. But I'm not even convinced that Clemson wins the ACC championship. I think Carolina wins the Coastal and gives Clemson everything they can handle in the champ game.
I've never been impressed with Dabo, he has proven to be a choke artist time and time again. And he has a good team this year, but I don't think they're a great team by any means.
And you ask, how could you say that Bama is better than Iowa, if Iowa comes out of the B10 undefeated? Because Bama is better than Iowa--a ton better. Probably 21 points better on a bad day for Bama.
Not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying they take zero hit for their loss and Iowa is an example of an undefeated P5 team that doesn't get credit. When they lose, they will fall in the rankings, it's that simple. I've seen Bama play so much the past 7 or so years that's why I'm not so impressed with them this year. They're a really good team, don't get me wrong. But they're not as good as any of their championship teams of recent or even last year's team right now. They're gonna have 20 NFL guys on the roster every year, so that's nothing new.
I don't even think Iowa would really beat Alabama, but until they lose it's unjust to say they're not good enough. You play the schedule in front of you, winning every single game is more impressive than anything else you could do.
It is very difficult to make these type of value judgements on specific teams that haven't (and possibly won't) play each other. Match-ups in CFB mean a lot; you find one match-up that is favorable in CFB and you can exploit it without the other team adjusting and you're on your way....
I think Iowa matches up better against Alabama than they do Clemson or Baylor. I also think ND matches up decently well with Alabama this year. Alabama is supremely talented (per usual) but they are not the very impressive Alabama teams of Saban's high water mark in TTown.
Alabama would be favored over Iowa by probably 10.5-13.5. However, Iowa does have a very good defense--particularly run defense. What if Iowa is able to stop Henry and Bama must rely upon Coker? He is good, but not a world beater yet. Iowa could win the game something like 13-10. Again, not saying it is likely but possible.
I think Iowa matches up better against Alabama than they do Clemson or Baylor. I also think ND matches up decently well with Alabama this year. Alabama is supremely talented (per usual) but they are not the very impressive Alabama teams of Saban's high water mark in TTown.
Alabama would be favored over Iowa by probably 10.5-13.5. However, Iowa does have a very good defense--particularly run defense. What if Iowa is able to stop Henry and Bama must rely upon Coker? He is good, but not a world beater yet. Iowa could win the game something like 13-10. Again, not saying it is likely but possible.
Ohio State, Alabama and Clemson are better than ND. IMO the pollsters got this one right.
Temple
Navy
Stanford
Clemson
I count 4.
And they jumped up a spot in the CFP committee standings, the only one that counts.
Be better than the teams you are saying they should be ranked ahead of. Winning all your games doesn't mean you are better than other teams that might lose 1 or 2 games. It just doesn't. These rankings are about putting the 4 best teams in the playoff. It isn't about who "beat the schedule in front of them" the most. That is archaic Lee Corso type thinking. Literally, he said that two weeks ago.
Well the difference between Ole Miss and South Carolina is pretty huge.
Iowa is an above average team. They aren't close to as good as LSU, UA, ND, Stanford, or UF. I don't care that they haven't dropped games to below average and average teams.
Iowa is essentially the perfect matchup for Alabama. I would be surprised if the line was less than 16.5. They are LSU without the talent and those are the teams that play right into what Alabama does best. It would be a slaughter.
You know Indiana just ran for 225 yards on Iowa, right?
Agree. Bama would impose its might on any team in the picture...and I watch all the games humanly possible.
Don't underestimate Tennessee. They are young, but very talented. Tennessee & UNC would be a good matchup.
Iowa just doesn't have the athletes to matchup with Bama. Bama would win easily. Check out Iowa's performance in last year's bowl game versus Tennessee. The difference in athleticism was like night and day.
Iowa just doesn't have the athletes to matchup with Bama. Bama would win easily. Check out Iowa's performance in last year's bowl game versus Tennessee. The difference in athleticism was like night and day.
ND is a lot better than they were in 2012 where it matters, in the trenches, but they're not the best team in the country.
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