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NET ZERO LOL : Spain France and Portugal Power Outage

Great job, Western liberals, on the deranged march to net-zero, culminating in the implosion of part of Europe's power grid. Meanwhile, China is adding record amounts of coal and nuclear power capacity. It's almost as if the entire green movement is about de-growth — and, in some cases, seems like sabotage fueled by sheer stupidity.

 
got to give it to china, the authoritarian govt pays zero attention to these non-sensical progressive causes of the day and instead focus on improving their country while we pay attention to the lunatic fringe left and set ourselves back decades..
 
got to give it to china, the authoritarian govt pays zero attention to these non-sensical progressive causes of the day and instead focus on improving their country while we pay attention to the lunatic fringe left and set ourselves back decades..
China is increasing renewable energy infrastructure faster than any other country on the planet. They accounted for nearly 2/3 of the total growth in renewable energy in 2023.

They produce more than 1/3 of the world's solar energy.
They produce more than 1/3 of the world's wind energy.
They produce more than 1/4 of the world's hydro energy

China gets 30%+ of its energy from non-nuclear renewables. The US is around 21%.
 
China is increasing renewable energy infrastructure faster than any other country on the planet. They accounted for nearly 2/3 of the total growth in renewable energy in 2023.

They produce more than 1/3 of the world's solar energy.
They produce more than 1/3 of the world's wind energy.
They produce more than 1/4 of the world's hydro energy

China gets 30%+ of its energy from non-nuclear renewables. The US is around 21%.
china produces it all, they arent limiting themselves, that's the point. They arent all in on only one while cutting themselves off at the knee caps..

yes, they are going heavy in green energy but still hitting coal, nuclear and and natural gas. which is what we should be doing but a few weirdo cucks will spray paint a building or painting orange so we need to listen to them instead..
 
china produces it all, they arent limiting themselves, that's the point. They arent all in on only one while cutting themselves off at the knee caps..

yes, they are going heavy in green energy but still hitting coal, nuclear and and natural gas. which is what we should be doing but a few weirdo cucks will spray paint a building or painting orange so we need to listen to them instead..
Natural gas generation increased by more than 10% from 2020-2023 in the US.
Natural gas production increased by more than 10% during the same time.
Natural gas exports more than tripled during that same time.
There were more than 200 natural gas power plants under construction at some stage as of 2024.

The US doesn't have the drastically increasing power generation needs over the past 7-8 years than China has while they continue to modernize to reach western levels nationwide. Now, we certainly will moving forward with AI, but that's its own issue if we think we should drastically increase coal electricity production so that Google can summarize my search results for me while I ignore it and hasten even more companies to reduce the American workforce they employ in their customer service departments.

I agree on nuclear generation, but let's not pretend that's a partisan issue. It's got detractors at every level from both sides. Biden's infrastructure bill gave a few billion to have two new reactors built in Wyoming and Texas as demonstrations of modern nuclear power tech.
 
China is increasing renewable energy infrastructure faster than any other country on the planet. They accounted for nearly 2/3 of the total growth in renewable energy in 2023.

They produce more than 1/3 of the world's solar energy.
They produce more than 1/3 of the world's wind energy.
They produce more than 1/4 of the world's hydro energy

China gets 30%+ of its energy from non-nuclear renewables. The US is around 21%.
LOL Oh Ok Bud. You have zero Idea whats going on in China be keep believing the Chicoms/Greta Thornburg of the world.


71 pct of chinas domestic energy supply comes from...........................C O A L

83 pct of Chinas domestic energy supply comes from.....................F O S S I L FUELS

Less than 10 % comes from "Renewables" which by the way are not so renewable especially the most Bogus category which is BIO FUELS Essentially chopping down trees to produce energy!
 
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LOL Oh Ok Bud. You have zero Idea whats going on in China be keep believing the Chicoms/Greta Thornburg of the world.


71 pct of chinas domestic energy supply comes from...........................C O A L

83 pct of Chinas domestic energy supply comes from.....................F O S S I L FUELS

Less than 10 % comes from "Renewables" which by the way are not so renewable especially the most Bogus category which is BIO FUELS Essentially chopping down trees to produce energy!
From your own source. I conflated the word energy with electricity because that is what this entire thread is about, industrial-scale electricity production and the possible effect on the Spanish electrical grid blackout.

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From your own source. I conflated the word energy with electricity because that is what this entire thread is about, industrial-scale electricity production and the possible effect on the Spanish electrical grid blackout.

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Solar and wind still are less than 10 pct. China gets a lot of energy from Hyro which is unique to their country having rivers

Coal is over 60 pct.

The chicoms love exporting solar and wind technology because they have suckers in the west destroying their economies with these more expensive technologies. Oh and the chicoms really don’t give a crap about Safey or what the do to the environment to mine and process the metals for these technologies.

The Germans have brought coal plants back on line because soar and wind are unreliable.

 
Uh oh guys....looks like everybody is a fool for using natural gas power as well. I mean, as long as we're following the formula of 1 blackout = nonviable form of electricity production.

lol. Taking an extreme weather event and equating it to an event that had no other cuases other than “renewables” failed


What the article doesn’t mention is this never would have occured if all those base load coal plants were not shut down in favor of more expensive and unreliable solar and wind. Those wind turbines froze up and solar panels were glazed over in ice

You should probably sit this one out
 
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lol. Taking an extreme weather event and equating it to an event that had no other cuases other than “renewables” failed


What the article doesn’t mention is this never would have occured if all those base load coal plants were not shut down in favor of more expensive and unreliable solar and wind. Those wind turbines froze up and solar panels were glazed over in ice

You should probably sit this one out
Wait...so now we're allowed to wait for the results of the investigation and include nuance into consideration? I thought this was the reactionary outrage thread?
 
Wait...so now we're allowed to wait for the results of the investigation and include nuance into consideration? I thought this was the reactionary outrage thread?
lol. So what nuance do we need from the outage in Spain Portugal and France ?

You were are as clueless on this issue as you were on the power sources in China

Happy to educate you though
 
lol. So what nuance do we need from the outage in Spain Portugal and France ?

You were are as clueless on this issue as you were on the power sources in China

Happy to educate you though
Ok, keep thinking that IEA energy production has anything to do with a county's energy consumption or electricity consumption.
 
Ok, keep thinking that IEA energy production has anything to do with a county's energy consumption or electricity consumption.
wtf does that mean. Nice word salad there bro.

Stats don’t lie. Refute the stats in the IEA report. You can’t
 
wtf does that mean. Nice word salad there bro.

Stats don’t lie. Refute the stats in the IEA report. You can’t
IEA energy production has nothing to do with electricity production. They are not the same thing.

Neither of those have to do with energy consumption or electricity consumption. Those are all 4 separate things.
 
IEA energy production has nothing to do with electricity production. They are not the same thing.

Neither of those have to do with energy consumption or electricity consumption. Those are all 4 separate things.
You’re Obviously confused. There is no such thing as IEA Energy production.

The IEA is

The International Energy Agency (IEA) is a Paris-based autonomous intergovernmental organization, established in 1974, that provides policy recommendations, analysis and data on the global energy sector.

The DATA that they REPORT is an analysis of energy and power generation. You’re in way over your head here
 
You’re Obviously confused. There is no such thing as IEA Energy production.

The IEA is

The International Energy Agency (IEA) is a Paris-based autonomous intergovernmental organization, established in 1974, that provides policy recommendations, analysis and data on the global energy sector.

The DATA that they REPORT is an analysis of energy and power generation. You’re in way over your head here
Hey genius...I meant the IEA's classification of what constitutes energy production and why that's the wrong metric to use for this discussion. How they define energy production. What measures are used to calculate energy production. How their definition of energy production differs from context of this discussion about electrical grid reliance on types of electricity production.

How are you struggling to understand this so much? I understand that I contributed to this confusion by using the informal descriptor of "energy" when talking about their electrical grid instead of being more specific, but I think this is now the fourth time that I've had to explain that you used the wrong IEA metric for your argument.

The IEA uses a definition for "energy production" that includes all raw energy harvested in the state. So every ton of coal that China mines, but never uses and instead exports elsewhere, is included in their "energy production" even though 0% of that exported material ever hits their electrical grid. The number also includes oil, which again has almost nothing to do with the electrical power grids that this thread is discussing. That is a very valid measure, if that's the subject you're looking to discuss but that is not the context of this thread.
 
Hey genius...I meant the IEA's classification of what constitutes energy production and why that's the wrong metric to use for this discussion. How they define energy production. What measures are used to calculate energy production. How their definition of energy production differs from context of this discussion about electrical grid reliance on types of electricity production.

How are you struggling to understand this so much? I understand that I contributed to this confusion by using the informal descriptor of "energy" when talking about their electrical grid instead of being more specific, but I think this is now the fourth time that I've had to explain that you used the wrong IEA metric for your argument.

The IEA uses a definition for "energy production" that includes all raw energy harvested in the state. So every ton of coal that China mines, but never uses and instead exports elsewhere, is included in their "energy production" even though 0% of that exported material ever hits their electrical grid. The number also includes oil, which again has almost nothing to do with the electrical power grids that this thread is discussing. That is a very valid measure, if that's the subject you're looking to discuss but that is not the context of this thread.
English must be your second language

Look at the data chump. There’s also data in that link that showed energy sources for chinas electrical energy generation. They are heavily dependent on fossil fuels and hydro.

Stick to something you actually know about. You’re out of you’re league here
 
English must be your second language

Look at the data chump. There’s also data in that link that showed energy sources for chinas electrical energy generation. They are heavily dependent on fossil fuels and hydro.

Stick to something you actually know about. You’re out of you’re league here
Ok, you're almost there, although I think my dog was able to pick this up faster than you.

And if you look the graph that talks about China's electrical energy generation what do you see? Do you see that non-nuclear renewables account for more than 30% that total like I said, or does it account for the less than 10% that you claimed because you can't bother to read beyond headlines?

Maybe next time I'll tweet it out with a short video of a brown person being arrested, then just wait the 3.6 seconds for you to slap it onto a thread with little-to-no commentary.
 
Ok, you're almost there, although I think my dog was able to pick this up faster than you.

And if you look the graph that talks about China's electrical energy generation what do you see? Do you see that non-nuclear renewables account for more than 30% that total like I said, or does it account for the less than 10% that you claimed because you can't bother to read beyond headlines?

Maybe next time I'll tweet it out with a short video of a brown person being arrested, then just wait the 3.6 seconds for you to slap it onto a thread with little-to-no commentary.
I guess reading a graph is hard for history majors

Coal is near 62 pct. Nuke is 4 pct. Hydro is 15 pct. That’s 81 pct of the ELECTICAL Generation. Wind is about 8 pct and solar is about 4 pct

No need to post anything about a brown person committing serious crime. It’s well known that 6 pct of the population commits almost 60 pct of the violent crime. Stats and data don’t lie
 
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