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The drum beat in Eastern PA has started and it will begin in Western PA ~ it usually ends the same way that arenas are built for Philly & Pittsburgh Schools. That's how Temple's Liacorios Arena (sp.?) was built ~ Of course O'Conner isn't around to screw up Pitt's money for a new arena this time! lolol

HERE'S PITT'S NEW FOOTBALL STADIUM IDEA ~ www.newpittstadium.com

HERE'S TEMPLE'S DRUM BEAT FOR A NEW ON CAMPUS FOOTBALL STADIUM. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...e_s_destinations__bowl_game__new_stadium.html
 
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I don't think there is anything on the radar for new football facilities. However, if we can improve to where we are seeing significant, consistent time in the top 10-15 within the next five years, it might change. The one common denominator for most of the schools getting new facilities is winning. Keep winning consistently, beat PSU a few times, extend Narduzzi, and I'm sure the drum beat will get louder.
 
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If Pitt does become a consistent top 10-15 program, then the need/ desire for an on campus stadium diminishes even further.

Heinz Field will be (finally) the venue that Pitt fans envisioned.

The die hards dont want to hear this......but there would be even less motivation to move if Heinz Field is rocking...

Which is exactly what would happen if Pitt answers the bell like we all hope.
 
We have a state that can't pass a budget and alumni who don't donate.

And on top of that, no where to build one on campus.

I think we will be waiting for a long time.
 
Z #2 said:
The drum beat in Eastern PA has started and it will begin in Western PA ~ it usually ends the same way that arenas are built for Philly & Pittsburgh Schools. That's how Temple's Liacorios Arena (sp.?) was built ~ Of course O'Conner isn't around to screw up Pitt's money for a new arena this time! lolol

HERE'S PITT'S NEW FOOTBALL STADIUM IDEA ~ www.newpittstadium.com

HERE'S TEMPLE'S DRUM BEAT FOR A NEW ON CAMPUS FOOTBALL STADIUM. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...e_s_destinations__bowl_game__new_stadium.html
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If you're going to bring this up again, at least make a website that doesn't look like a grade school kid created it.
 
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Las Panteras said:
If Pitt does become a consistent top 10-15 program, then the need/ desire for an on campus stadium diminishes even further.

Heinz Field will be (finally) the venue that Pitt fans envisioned.

The die hards dont want to hear this......but there would be even less motivation to move if Heinz Field is rocking...

Which is exactly what would happen if Pitt answers the bell like we all hope.
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I'm not so sure about that. The new stadium crowd will always stay vocal, and with winning also comes increased donations. I tend to agree with you, but I still say there is a decent chance we could be in our own stadium in my lifetime.
 
CaptainMurphy said:
I'm not so sure about that. The new stadium crowd will always stay vocal, and with winning also comes increased donations. I tend to agree with you, but I still say there is a decent chance we could be in our own stadium in my lifetime.
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New stadium crowd??? A couple of architecture interns w/o a clue, armed with a ruler and crayons?? 1998....I screamed about tearing down Pitt Stadium, said we'd NEVER have an on-campus field.......I was right, give it a rest. HF sux, but we can win there & draw enough fans.
 
NTOP said:
HF sux, but we can win there & draw enough fans.
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I agree with this statement, HF does suck but it does not help or hinder this program.. As much as I would love a beautiful on campus stadium with the Cathedral as a backdrop, this would be a ridiculous project that honestly, despite making 6 Saturdays a tad bit more enjoyable for me, is not needed at all.
 
Jud The Bus Driver said:
GSPIA designed a plan for the New Pitt Stadium. The stadium placement is actually on this website: www.newpittstadium.com

I think it was drawn for the OC LOT EXTENDING to Cost Center & Pete.
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Yeah, that placement is a joke. It's rubbing up against current structures and leaving little room against other ones. And who the hell knows what is underground that needs moved around.

The plan is just horrible.
 
my plan, outside of taking over the land on the river next to Thermo Fisher, which is already bought and paid for btw, is to build a new VA hospital in Pittsburgh, something top of the line that is worthy of our military heroes, and then take over that land where the VA is now and build a new stadium.. Looking at a price tag of about 900 million - 1.1 billion dollars.. I've just reached out to my accounting team to see how much I need and I am still a few bucks short.. Will keep you all posted..
 
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NTOP said:
New stadium crowd??? A couple of architecture interns w/o a clue, armed with a ruler and crayons?? 1998....I screamed about tearing down Pitt Stadium, said we'd NEVER have an on-campus field.......I was right, give it a rest. HF sux, but we can win there & draw enough fans.
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Why are people so irritated by this discussion? I'm neutral these days, I don't care either way, but its a topic for discussion. Any there is a large contingent of fans who want a Pitt-only stadium...I think minimizing that group is silly. Its not just the guys who are putting out these plans (neither which I think are very viable).
 
ThePanthers said:
Yeah, that placement is a joke. It's rubbing up against current structures and leaving little room against other ones. And who the hell knows what is underground that needs moved around.

The plan is just horrible.
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Also wipes out lots of parking for hoops. Just a freaking mess. I hope they never consider that plan. And what does GSPIA know about FB??
 
NTOP said:
Also wipes out lots of parking for hoops. Just a freaking mess. I hope they never consider that plan. And what does GSPIA know about FB??
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Football as well as architecture, facilities planning, etc, etc...Obviously there is someone (not NTOP) that doesn't actually know what GSPIA is.
 
Z #2 said:
The drum beat in Eastern PA has started and it will begin in Western PA ~ it usually ends the same way that arenas are built for Philly & Pittsburgh Schools. That's how Temple's Liacorios Arena (sp.?) was built ~ Of course O'Conner isn't around to screw up Pitt's money for a new arena this time! lolol

HERE'S PITT'S NEW FOOTBALL STADIUM IDEA ~ www.newpittstadium.com

HERE'S TEMPLE'S DRUM BEAT FOR A NEW ON CAMPUS FOOTBALL STADIUM. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...e_s_destinations__bowl_game__new_stadium.html
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Why has this dead horse been raised from the dead again.

It ain't happening unless we chip in a few hundred million for it.

It's easier for for most fans to get to Heinz and Pitt draws better at Heinz than it did on campus.

The fantasy of a right sized stadium for Pitt on campus is nice, but it is just that, a fantasy.

It makes no financial or logical sense.
 
Various school districts are borrowing money this month to pay the school teachers due to the state's ineptitude to pass a budget. Even with a budget, there is enormous debt. What makes you think anybody is getting a new stadium in the near future?
 
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Upper deck end zone bleachers should have a tarp like the Raiders. Navy blue with a script Pitt in gold in the middle. Maybe a few other end sections in the upper deck. Navy blue as well. PITTSBURGH in both end zones. Seating capacity more suitable to the fanbase and stadium feels more like Pitt's. Done and done.

I DO NOT want to sit on damn steel bleacher with shit amenities at the stadium. People overlook many of the perks of being in a pro stadium.

Oh, yeah, next renovation at Heinz... Club level seats yellow and the rest of 'em the charcoal color of the current club level seats. Done and done. That would just look better even for Steeler games.
 
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JohnnyGossamer said:
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Upper deck end zone bleachers should have a tarp like the Raiders. Navy blue with a script Pitt in gold in the middle. Maybe a few other end sections in the upper deck. Navy blue as well. PITTSBURGH in both end zones. Seating capacity more suitable to the fanbase and stadium feels more like Pitt's. Done and done.

I DO NOT want to sit on damn steel bleacher with shit amenities at the stadium. People overlook many of the perks of being in a pro stadium.
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Geez, that is a terrible stadium. I thought Heinz was bad, look at the sight lines of this stadium.. There are people with 50 yard line seats on home side that are about 100 yards from the field.. That is a brutal stadium..
 
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Pghfan said:
Geez, that is a terrible stadium. I thought Heinz was bad, look at the sight lines of this stadium.. There are people with 50 yard line seats on home side that are about 100 yards from the field.. That is a brutal stadium..
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Yeah... It's a piece of shit. MUCH worse than Heinz. But, I still like the simplicity of the trap used over the upper deck seats. Again, very simple and very few would care that couldn't sit in the upper deck end zone and a Giant PITT script would look pretty sweet. Given they're bleachers, I bet it's 5K to 7.5K seats there. Pitt needs a stadium closer to Three Rivers in capacity and then sell 'em all for PSU, ND. WVU, etc. If NFL teams currently do it and The U does it, there's really no reason not to do it.
 
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Yeah... It's a piece of shit. MUCH worse than Heinz. But, I still like the simplicity of the trap used over the upper deck seats. Again, very simple and very few would care that couldn't sit in the upper deck end zone and a Giant PITT script would look pretty sweet. Given they're bleachers, I bet it's 5K to 7.5K seats there. Pitt needs a stadium closer to Three Rivers in capacity and then sell 'em all for PSU, ND. WVU, etc. If NFL teams currently do it and The U does it, there's really no reason not to do it.
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I was anti tarp but coming around.. A nice Pitt script tarp covering the upper half of the closed end would be fine.. Sat up there for a few games, cant imagine too many people being upset having to sit in corners opposed to that..
 
pittdan77 said:
Personally think tarps are stupid. What's the point?

Still think Heinz is a dump but it's still better than the old Pitt stadium.
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Making people feel they've found a solution to a problem.

In my opinion the university hasn't made a serious effort to fill the seats until this year and they are slowly starting to see results now. Tarp the upper deck on the closed end zone. Tarp it on the visitor's side too, hell why not. It's usually half-full at best, right? Gonna look kinda silly when people want tickets for those seats because the team is actually and finally good... But whatever. Tarping has become the #2 obsession behind uniforms that are exact replicas of when Dan Marino played. Soon enough a new stadium will REALLY become the #1 obsession but until then I guess SOMETHING has to be obsessed over other than where's the old gold where's the mustard where's the navy blue or whatever the old color was.
 
I don't know about obsession. I think people talk about it because the Miami Hurricanes already do it. And, other programs similar to Pitt have done it or do it as well. Baseball teams that share venues and cannot sell 60K also do it regularly. It makes sense to suit the venue to the base. That's why PNC was built to house 35K. Heinz was built for the Steelers. Placing a clean tarp over the less desirable sections for 6 out of 7 home games is simple and shrinks the capacity to suit Pitt's fan base. That's all.
 
It's not what premier programs do. If that's what Pitt wants to be then the tarp idea needs to be firmly put to bed.

Does FSU tarp

Does Ohio State tarp

Does MSU or Iowa or Wisconsin tarp

Does anyone in the SEC tarp

Who tarps? Second-raters. Might as well put up a sign, we're still fooling you Pitt fans! We're still saying we want to be first rate but just look at the tarps and you'll get your real answer. Thankfully Pitt isn't doing that.
 
You just mentioned enormous universities, none of which compete in a professional sports marketplace.

I know USC (Los Angeles), UCLA (Los Angeles) and Miami (Miami) have or currently continue to section out or tarp seats. I know Boston College (Boston), Minnesota (Minneapolis), Georgia Tech (Atlanta), Louisville (Louisville), Syracuse (New York), Rutgers (New Jersey), Maryland (DC/Baltimore) Stanford (San Jose/San Francisco) compete in stadiums that seat somewhere between 45K and 55K. And, I know even during Pitt's glory years that the Panthers failed to fill 56K Pitt Stadium each and every game.

Heinz Field currently, at 68K, has a larger capacity than every ACC home field except Florida State and Clemson.

Are Baylor and TCU not big time? They play in stadiums with capacities of about 45K. Is Stanford, regularly in the Top 10 under Harbaugh and now Shaw, not big time for reducing the capacity of their stadium to 50K? Oregon's home field has a capacity of 54K... Not big time?

Decent write up about it from a few years back... http://panthersprey.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-myth-of-pitt-football-attendance.html
 
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It's not what premier programs do. If that's what Pitt wants to be then the tarp idea needs to be firmly put to bed.

Does FSU tarp

Does Ohio State tarp

Does MSU or Iowa or Wisconsin tarp

Does anyone in the SEC tarp

Who tarps? Second-raters. Might as well put up a sign, we're still fooling you Pitt fans! We're still saying we want to be first rate but just look at the tarps and you'll get your real answer. Thankfully Pitt isn't doing that.
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You named Large State schools with lots and lots of Alumni. If you consider Non State Schools 2nd Raters, well....Then I guess we are.
 
What is the solution when your fanbase is too small for the stadium you play in? Just win and they'll fill all 70K seats right?

Pitt is not a diploma mill. Its a small school by P5 standards that compete with 3 immensely popular pro teams in the same market. Our need is a 45K stadium. GT had 46K against us on Saturday and besides the empty upper deck endzone, it looked great in TV. 46K looks awful at Heinz.
 
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The drum beat in Eastern PA has started and it will begin in Western PA ~ it usually ends the same way that arenas are built for Philly & Pittsburgh Schools. That's how Temple's Liacorios Arena (sp.?) was built ~
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Hey! I thought that Temple's Liacouras Center got built with Temple's Big East football proceeds! Well, isn't that the DAMNED LIE the "Big" East schools kept spouting to "justify" how they SCREWED Temple?
 
If the Commonwealth provides any money to building all 3 Stadiums at Pitt, Penn State and Temple, it should be contingent on requiring all 3 Programs Play each other every year too in Football & Basketball!
 
TempleBAPittMPA said:
Hey! I thought that Temple's Liacouras Center got built with Temple's Big East football proceeds! Well, isn't that the DAMNED LIE the "Big" East schools kept spouting to "justify" how they SCREWED Temple?
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Never heard that one before.

I have heard how Temple was given a five year warning period to gets its house in order, most predominantly was ensuring it had enough home scheduling control with a suitable venue where it wouldn't be a nightmare for the conference to try to schedule games with them (see multiple incidences of not being able to rotate home and home). Other simple improvements weren't attempted to be met, like minimum attendance requirements. The truth is, the Liacouras administration wanted to dump football so it didn't lift a finger to try to meet the conditions the conference had set forth for maintaining its associate membership in Big East football because getting booted gave it more ammunition to try to 86 the program. I believe the conference vote was unanimous, apart from Pitt abstaining. I'm sure Villanova, and probably UConn, were lobbying for the Owls ouster as well.

The important thing that people miss when citing Temple as the only school ever kicked out of a major conference is that Temple was never a member of the Big East; it was an associate member for football which was no different than Loyola (MD) being an associate member of Big East women's lacrosse.
 
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Pghfan said:
I was anti tarp but coming around.. A nice Pitt script tarp covering the upper half of the closed end would be fine.. Sat up there for a few games, cant imagine too many people being upset having to sit in corners opposed to that..
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I'll speak from experience...I moved my seats to about the 30 this year, but the end zone seats were much superior to anything in the corner along the sideline.
 
CrazyPaco said:
Never heard that one before.

I have heard how Temple was given a five year warning period to gets its house in order, most predominantly was ensuring it had enough home scheduling control with a suitable venue where it wouldn't be a nightmare for the conference to try to schedule games with them (see multiple incidences of not being able to rotate home and home). Other simple improvements weren't attempted to be met, like minimum attendance requirements. The truth is, the Liacouras administration wanted to dump football so it didn't lift a finger to try to meet the conditions the conference had set forth for maintaining its associate membership in Big East football because getting booted gave it more ammunition to try to 86 the program. I believe the conference vote was unanimous, apart from Pitt abstaining. I'm sure Villanova, and probably UConn, were lobbying for the Owls ouster as well.

The important thing that people miss when citing Temple as the only school ever kicked out of a major conference is that Temple was never a member of the Big East; it was an associate member for football which was no different than Loyola (MD) being an associate member of Big East women's lacrosse.
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Liacouras wasn't President then. That was his successor, David Adamany, who tried to kill football (something he also attempted unsuccessfully at the school he had been President of prior to Temple.) He's the guy who went into the BE presidents' meeting DARING them to kick Temple out, knowing full well what the response to THAT would be--actually the response he wanted, as he figured he could plead to the Board of Trustees that there was no alternative but to end the program. Fortunately the BOT grew a set and told "Adam Ant" Hell No.
 
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