NEW Stadiums for Pitt & Temple / Eastern PA & Western PA $$$
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SMF, I completely disagree with your statement "Our need is a 45K stadium." Your thinking reminds me of the generals who failed by planning to win the last war, not the next one. Pitt needed a 45k stadium when the program had little admin financial support, was stuck in a dying second rate conference, and put out a mediocre product most years over a 30 year block of time. If you think that is what the future will be like, then your 45k seat stadium makes sense.
But all of that has changed -- P5 conference, new chancellor committed to football, $ for coaches, the right HC to jump start the program, upgraded facilities, a real recruiting budget. And if Pitt is going to be successful going forward, that 'right sized' stadium will quickly be too small. I'm not suggesting that we will need some massive thing in the future, but a Pitt program that becomes a consistent winner that is well marketed will need a stadium that is in the 55 to 58k range.
Raleigh... I agree. Though I'd say somewhere beween 50K and 55K. That's what Minnesota, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Colorado, Rutgers and Louisville and other like programs house at their stadiums. Hell... That's what Pitt Stadium had too, even during the glory years. Suits Pitt and suits just about any urban school in a similar market. It's also why some post a sectioning off the less desirable seats at Heinz would allow the stadium to better suit Pitt's fan base in the while...
I think anything in that range is perfectly fine though. And, I think Louisville's stadium is the envy of many. How many college stadiums that aren't shared with a pro franchise are outfitted with seats instead of bleachers?
I think anything in that range is perfectly fine though. And, I think Louisville's stadium is the envy of many. How many college stadiums that aren't shared with a pro franchise are outfitted with seats instead of bleachers?
Adamany...that's the mark...what a doofus. Seriously, there is no reason Temple couldn't have been similar to Rutgers in growing their program. Both were starting at about the same place. Now, unfortunately, it is probably too late.
Through some secret sources, I was able to obtain an advanced copy of the soon-to-be-released, new and improved stadium plan from newpittstadium.com.
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OMG Jose, that is freakin' hilarious. Can't stop laughing. I can't decide whether the bridge over the stadium or the Wannstedt statue is funnier.
Jose LInd, that is tremendous.. Well done. and about as realistic and professionally done as that website.. Kudos..
So then what you are saying is that it wasn't really the "Big" East schools that screwed Temple, it was Temple that screwed Temple.
Which, incidentally, is what everyone who was paying attention at the time already knew.
Being stuck with a single-sport membership (thanks to the Evillainova veto) made it oh so convenient to cast Temple aside. Adamany simply played into their hands (willingly, of course).
Makes petfect sense which is why 98. Percent of schools in the NCAA have an on campus stadium.
I have a pair in the upper end zone. I would have no problem whatsoever moving.
Is it? Maybe some numbers are fudged, and we aren't the huge school PSU is but..It seems to me Pitt is average sized
Maybe all the wiki pages aren't accurate but ACC from smallest to largest enrollment
Wake Forest
ND
BC
Duke
Miami
Clemson
Syracuse
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Virginia
Pitt
UNC
Virginia Tech
NC State
Florida STate
The other thing that made it oh so convenient to cast Temple aside was Temple's refusal to upgrade their program. If you are floundering and have pretty much floundered your almost your entire existence and someone says here are the things you need to do to remain the in conference and you basically do none of them then your only bitch lies with the people making the decisions at your school.
Temple screwed Temple. No one else. The people running the show were told what the consequences of their actions (and inactions) would be, so when the consequences arrived no one should have been surprised.
None of the alleged "failure to invest" would have been an issue had the SIXTH ALL TIME WINNINGEST program in the history of college basketball not been EMBARGOED from membership in an ostensibly basketball-centric conference (thus offsetting the undeniable weaknesses of the football program at the time).
"TempleBAPittMPA, post: 439475, member: 610"]None of the alleged "failure to invest" would have been an issue had the SIXTH 
ALL TIME WINNINGEST program in the history of college basketball not been EMBARGOED from membership in an ostensibly basketball-centric conference (thus offsetting the undeniable weaknesses of the football program at the time).
Tranghese was and always will be an idiot, Katz that loved Temple would have done wonders for the Big East as he did for Temple!
ALL TIME WINNINGEST program in the history of college basketball not been EMBARGOED from membership in an ostensibly basketball-centric conference (thus offsetting the undeniable weaknesses of the football program at the time).Tranghese was and always will be an idiot, Katz that loved Temple would have done wonders for the Big East as he did for Temple!
So what you are saying is that it would have been better if the Big East had never invited Temple to join for football in the first place? OK, I'll agree with that.
Perhaps you are forgetting, but Temple wasn't the only "football only" school in the Big East. But Temple was the only "football only" school that didn't give a crap about football. You really don't think that was a problem?
In addition, trying to get Villanova into BEC Football with an 18,000 Stadium was part of the reasons why Cuse, PITT, Rutgers, WVU walked out of the Big East Meeting and started looking to go elsewhere as the Catholic Schools acted like buffoons! A year later, PITT & CUSE to ACC, WVU followed to Big-12 and Rutgers followed to Big Ten, and the Big East is History on Big Buck Contracts.
The AAC is better than them in Basketball too!
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As I see it, Temple was just as good as Nova in Basketball Prowess and its Football would improve as it did do and is going now? This would have been added advantage for the Football Schools in the BEC, in my opinion.
Big East Basketball would have been improved by adding Temple and Football for the football Schools would have had more leverage, the problem was a personal feud bewteen Tranghese and Katz a Temple Big Booster that was far more correct in wanting Temple in the BEC. None of the BEC Catholic Schools wanted to enhance Temple Basketball, especially near Philly?
Tranghese was part of the reason why the Big East broke up as well, by ignoring Miami pleas to expand. ULou, UCincy, Memphis, and USF could have been added easily!
I was aware and know something that happen here from some great friends and colleagues involved! Tranghese was an idiot!
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