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New Temple Football Stadium = 35k seating at 100 million

Uhhh.......just where has Temple BOUGHT the land?? If it's close to their campus.....that area makes So. Oakland look like Sewickley Heights. And there's simply NO WAY a decent stadium can be built for $100 large in a big, eastern city rife with corruption. Gallagher has said that the numbers don't work.....and he's right. Not happening, ever. They COULD put a small place down the hill from Oakland....but infrastructure will always be a problem.. and if the state kicks in big $$$ with all the tax cuts Wolf wants.....they'd be crazy. The Philly legislators don't wield the same power as previously. If they try to balance things by tossing $$$ to Pgh, it'll be fore the CA developmant, not a venue used a few dayd/year.

WRONG. You haven't been there in the last twenty years. You can't buy a dilapidated row house near Temple for less than $200k! The Practice and Game fields behind the Basketball arena at 16th & Cecil B Moore Avenue extending northward to Diamond Street offers a great spot. Also, Temple is building a $1,000,000,000 new library on the east side of Broad Street.

Gotta do your due diligence before castigating a great plan. Sorry
 
A poster on here, probably Paco, talked about infrastructure issues with the construction of VA hospital... Think I recall mines underneath or something to that effect, causing very big issues.. My solution, quit building these boring ass hotels all over south Oakland. Build the hotels in e. liberty or some slum neighborhood east of Oakland and save the Oakland real estate for more important things, like sports venues..

And bring back Zelda's for chrissakes, kids need cheap beer with a roof that opens and they need it on campus..
You've been on crack too long.

Brilliant. How about some ideas on disposable bottles?
 
OK....so the land is there. Good for them. I hope Temple pulls this off.....but the price tag will be interesting. Cinci just spent $86 large on Nippert Stadium....added only 5,000 seats. Their footprint is tiny, though.

It's a topography problem, too. If they built a stadium on the OC lot, the entire upper campus would shift in a landslide to Panther Hollow, taking the VA & COL with it....plus, the 45 food trucks on the Plaza. And you'd blame Nutting!! ;)

LOLOLOL Funniest room and gloom rant today. The OC Lot would have collapsed already if you are correct.
 
Let's just knock down all the hospitals...who needs them anyhow
I already proposed this, relocation of the VA, got no responses.. There is a ridiculous amount of hospitals in Oakland though, I know you said this in jest but dear Lord, there are like 5 hosptials within a 5 block radius..
 
I think Jud's been hitting the bottle a little. Temple has spent $1,000,000,000 in the last ten years on new buildings on campus. The new library is slated for $200,000,000 and will be completed in 2018.
 
Parking and traffic are never reasons why a stadium wont be built. Money and commitment are. Every college stadium has major traffic problems. Do you think the city of Auburn, AL was designed with getting 80,000 to drive home from a game at the same time in mind?

It Pitt had $300 million and had the vision that an on-campus stadium would greatly enhance student life and alumni relations, we'd get a stadium. Land would be acquired.

Pitt's old administration didnt value football enough to make the effort. Scott Barnes is known as a fundraiser and I believe he was brought here to raise funds for the project. There are new chiefs in town and these people understand what football means to a university.
 
LOLOLOL Funniest room and gloom rant today. The OC Lot would have collapsed already if you are correct.
You whiffed....I'm referencing stuff from 1998. As for the Temple site, I wasn't aware that the targeted site was already in motion. As I said, I hope Temple pulls it off. But it won't do much for the program, I fear. Too little revenue from a small stadium. They never drew big crowds anywhere until the psu & ND games. I'm sure the nitwits thought they'd inked an easy "W". Hope the Owls shock ND.....well, maybe not, I want them with just one loss when they come to Pgh a week later.
 
Nope, let's create a NIZ (Neighborhood Improvement Zone) include the hospitals and refocus all state taxes to New Stadium.
Actually, the state has shortchanged Pitt for decades. I'd prefer they just go away altogether. Besides, how does adding a mostly-empty stadium "improve" Oakland?? It's already a thriving area.
 
You whiffed....I'm referencing stuff from 1998. As for the Temple site, I wasn't aware that the targeted site was already in motion. As I said, I hope Temple pulls it off. But it won't do much for the program, I fear. Too little revenue from a small stadium. They never drew big crowds anywhere until the psu & ND games. I'm sure the nitwits thought they'd inked an easy "W". Hope the Owls shock ND.....well, maybe not, I want them with just one loss when they come to Pgh a week later.

Zzzzzzzzz......looks like I hit a homer!
 
Building new college football stadiums in the middle of cities to be used 7 times a year just does not make sense. Basketball arenas can be also used for concerts, hokey, conventions etc.. 240 days a year.

I think Pitt should do what it can to make Heines feel as close to a college football field as possible.
 
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79, it's already been planned by GSPIA. The photo of the New Pitt Stadium design drawing from this plan (Thanks to Crazy Paco who I believe has the entire plan) illustrates that building the New Stadium on the OC LOT site not only fits, but it creates the footprint for all of Pitt Athletics moving forward into the next half century.

Don't drag me into your freak show.

You don't even know what the hell GSPIA is, do you?
 
Heinz is fine outside of the yellow seats. I like sitting in the club, going inside to get warm, having a world class video screen (the new one, not the original scoreboard), drinking a beer, tailgating, running to Stage AE if I have to poop, etc.

I love Oakland, likely more than you guys. Peter's Pub is my home and I actually even like Posvar Hall, but I'm fine with watching games at Heinz.

We have kids leaving early now.... Imagine if they could just up and walk to their dorms at any point during the game.
 
is that website serious? I mean, did someone get paid to put that together or was this just someone at home with an hour or two to kill.. This wasn't done as a legit project was it?


It's a web site created by second graders, for second graders.
 
Good for Temple. Once Temple officially announces the on campus building this is going to put big time public pressure on Gallagher/Barnes to move the stadium to Oakland
 
I would rather see more money invested into the north shore therefore making Pitt football games a destination for a lot more people.
 
You know, most newly, quickly constructed college stadiums, save Baylor's and Louisville's fields, are crumby anyway. Something that houses 45K to 55K done on the cheap will be especially crumby. If/When Pitt does build a new stadium, I'd like something that costs at least $250M to $300M... If they're going to do it, I'd model it after the new Minnesota Gophers place. Reasonable size and seems well done. I do not want some half-assed piece of crap with bleachers. Otherwise, aside from not being able to fill, why leave Heinz?

CRUMBY?
 
Pitt plays in a newer facility that is better than most college stadiums. The lease cost is peanuts compared to the costs involved in a new 45K seat stadium. Perhaps some day that will be necessary as Heinz will be older, but Pitt winning drives the casual fan to the games and Pitt will see 5K to 10K increase in fannies. Pitt beating Syracuse and building some momentum will help the Thursday night game vs NC. Getting 50 to 55K for college games is pretty good for the market. Who knows what the college football landscape will be in the future. But I do know Heinz is not the problem.
 
It makes sense, about 40,000 seats is the right size for Pitt football, if you wanted 65,000 fans for say ND or Penn State you could still hold an occasional game at Heinz Field. And maybe sometimes, you might even get 20-30K to show up for a big basketball game vs. Duke or 'Cuse even.
No, 40k is not correct. That is MAC-level. If you put 50-55k seats ON CAMPUS, it would be right for the same reason that many new stadiums attract better crowds (see PNC Park and what happened). Any new stadium should be from 52-54k in my opinion, and you wouldn't see many empty seats for 10 years, IF it was on campus.
 
I would rather see more money invested into the north shore therefore making Pitt football games a destination for a lot more people.

I'd rather Pitt look for ways to completely endow the football program. $100 million ought to do it in a way that is completely and permanently program altering from an annual budgetary standpoint.
 
I would rather see more money invested into the north shore therefore making Pitt football games a destination for a lot more people.
I would like that too.. but with the Steelers always being the "destination".. we will always be the J.V. The key is attracting more "general public" yinzers, to an extent..But the whole core of what would make it more of an atmosphere, would be drawing ALUMS back.. people that have a connection, and watch us vicariously, but have written-off the gameday experience, due to one of the 991 excuses out there. Get some of them back, and now we are moving in the right direction..
 
Hoops is not the cash cow. Football is. Noise? Please refrain from making it.
Here's an idea…please refrain from promoting an "urban plan" designed by a nonexistent company that I'm guessing you or one of your friends made up in the basement of your parents house.
 
I would like that too.. but with the Steelers always being the "destination".. we will always be the J.V. The key is attracting more "general public" yinzers, to an extent..But the whole core of what would make it more of an atmosphere, would be drawing ALUMS back.. people that have a connection, and watch us vicariously, but have written-off the gameday experience, due to one of the 991 excuses out there. Get some of them back, and now we are moving in the right direction..
Here is an article from a Philly source that looks at the issue of new on-campus football stadiums around the country. Not such a great investment, for the most part.

http://articles.philly.com/2015-01-...ion-stadium-football-stadium-stadium-decision
 
WRONG. You haven't been there in the last twenty years. You can't buy a dilapidated row house near Temple for less than $200k! The Practice and Game fields behind the Basketball arena at 16th & Cecil B Moore Avenue extending northward to Diamond Street offers a great spot. Also, Temple is building a $1,000,000,000 new library on the east side of Broad Street.

Gotta do your due diligence before castigating a great plan. Sorry

A one billion dollar library????
 
Said article is from January . . .
Sure, but the points it is making are not any less relevant today. It is easy to make claims about what a stadium will do for a school and a program, but when you look at the actual results, things aren't so good.

Is it worth spending a few hundred million dollars so that a couple thousand alums can relive their college days on campus for a football game? Someone earlier posted that an on-campus stadium would "greatly enhance" the student experience. Pitt Stadium certainly did not greatly enhance the experience of students when I was at Pitt. It was convenient to go to a game, but that was it.

I was on the Pitt campus today - hoped to watch the game on tv at the student union. Their cable package does not get ESPNU, and the room in the lower level next to the food court, which has a very large screen on which I have watched games in the past, was not even open. So much for great student interest in this game.
 
People don't get together to watch the game at the student union. It's not the 60's buddy.
 
If they didn't design the stadium with the potential to be upgraded, then they wasted their money IMO. Sports are the easy way to grow your school, with FB being top dog. String a few seasons together like this year, and the boosters will be throwing money to the AD.



Gratz to the team and their fans on a great start to the year.
 
I would rather see more money invested into the north shore therefore making Pitt football games a destination for a lot more people.
well your wishes are coming true.. although I think Toby Keith pulled out, blessing in disguise..
 
Is it worth spending a few hundred million dollars so that a couple thousand alums can relive their college days on campus for a football game?

This question always seems to be ignored when the on-campus stadium topic comes up.

The fact of the matter is, there are much better ways for the university to spend $200+ million than on an unnecessary stadium of limited use. Even if it were logistically feasible (it's really not), it would not be a good investment. The university has not struggled to recruit students or annual fund donors despite a lack of game day atmosphere, so the oft-peddled notion that 'it'll be a boom to marketing!' is tenuous at best.
 
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