NIT and CBI

[Sean Miller Fan]

So at this point, it doesn't seem the NIT is that likely. We pretty much have to win the next 3 and while I think we can beat Syracuse, I dont see any way we beat NC State or GT on the road. So, this is what I think our most reasonable path is:

- beat Syracuse

- beat GT (no way we win at NC St, their Top 15 level talent is too much. Not even Keatts could screw them up bad enough for us to win that one).

That would be 17-14, 8-12. Then we would have to win the ACCT Tuesday game. If you figure we lose on Wednesday, that would be 18-15 which given our NET and SOS, wouldn't usually be good enough. However, if we do all this, it at least gives us a chance. We can sit back and root for all the regular season conference champions to win their tournaments so they dont steal NIT bids. Perhaps if only 6-7 regular season champs steal bids, we can sneak in.

But since the NIT is unlikely, I thought I'd bring up the CBI question again. This team has looked like its ready for the season to end but outside of a 15 minute stretch where we scored 8 points, we looked like we played well and didnt look like a team that has given up. I have always been a fan of more basketball but after that 3 game losing streak, I would have been ok in them calling it quits. But with how we looked today, if we can beat Syracuse and maybe get another win, I really think the CBI could be a good confidence builder if we can make a deep run. If we were to win it, even against inferior competition, it could help build some of that winning mentality.

What do you think?

 

[Black Panther]

Why not... West Virgina played in it last year and they had a more veteran laden team than we do this year.i wouldn’t have a problem with it.but only if the nit is completely out.

 

[Tonyt66]

No its not for me! Finish off these 3 games and 1 ACC tourney game and lick our wounds and get ready for some recruiting and get ready for next yrs influx of talent and let's get this thing moving forward.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

Didn't the ACC say it's not longer allowing its teams to compete in the CBI? I thought that happened a few years ago.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Didn't the ACC say it's not longer allowing its teams to compete in the CBI? I thought that happened a few years ago.

No. And that would be an unnecessarily restrictive rule.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

CBI? I vote no.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

No. And that would be an unnecessarily restrictive rule.

I just looked at all 12 years of the CBI bracket. I found one ACC team that has ever participated in the tournament: Virginia in 2008 (the very first year of the CBI). I can't find anything on it, but I could swear I heard the ACC say it no longer allows its schools to participate in it. If that wasn't the case, I would imagine there would have been more ACC schools in it throughout the years.

It's become a tournament for non-P5 schools, really. I know West Virginia participated in it last year, but you kind of just look like the 15-year-old playing in the balls at McDonald's if you're a P5 team playing in it nowadays.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I just looked at all 12 years of the CBI bracket. I found one ACC team that has ever participated in the tournament: Virginia in 2008 (the very first year of the CBI). I can't find anything on it, but I could swear I heard the ACC say it no longer allows its schools to participate in it. If that wasn't the case, I would imagine there would have been more ACC schools in it throughout the years.

It's become a tournament for non-P5 schools, really. I know West Virginia participated in it last year, but you kind of just look like the 15-year-old playing in the balls at McDonald's if you're a P5 team playing in it nowadays.

That's great but the ACC doesn't prevent teams from playing in it. That's a myth. If Capel wants to do it, you think Swofford is going to call him up and tell him he cant?

 

[Black Panther]

That's great but the ACC doesn't prevent teams from playing in it. That's a myth. If Capel wants to do it, you think Swofford is going to call him up and tell him he cant?

And isn’t it still pay to play? If Pitt wants to spend the some money on it who is going to tell him he can’t? Maybe the AD?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

And isn’t it still pay to play? If Pitt wants to spend the some money on it who is going to tell him he can’t? Maybe the AD?

Yes, you buy home games in the same manner we buy 6-7 every year.

 

[Black Panther]

Yes, you buy home games in the same manner we buy 6-7 every year.

That’s what I thought.if this were an older team I might think differently,but since they are young and a work in progress I say why not? But I’d much rather have a shot at the NIT.

 

[caleco's]

No. And that would be an unnecessarily restrictive rule.

how many times do you want to he wrong about this? the acc has said no pay for play tournaments.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

how many times do you want to he wrong about this? the acc has said no pay for play tournaments.

Prove it then. And saying an ACC team hasn't played it in since 08 isnt proof.

 

[caleco's]

Prove it then. And saying an ACC team hasn't played it in since 08 isnt proof.

ask the athletic dept what stallings was told when he wanted to take the team.....and watch again what happens if we dont make the nit.....

you drone on an on with same dumb topics
this thw at least the third time you have posted about the cbi.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

ask the athletic dept what stallings was told when he wanted to take the team.....and watch again what happens if we dont make the nit.....

you drone on an on with same dumb topics
this thw at least the third time you have posted about the cbi.

No, I said for YOU to prove it. And even if Stallings wanted to take the Artis/Young/Jeter team, that would have been a horrible investment. That underachieving senior-laden didn't need more games. So not allowing THAT team to go to the CBI is your proof? And of course, there's not even any proof that they wanted to.

 

[tetonpanther]

If we go CBI it will be without me in the house .

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Why pay to play in a tournament no one cares about? It's not like it would draw attendance big enough to offset operational costs. Extra court time is cool but I don't think it's worth our time when coaches should be focused on next year immediately.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why pay to play in a tournament no one cares about? It's not like it would draw attendance big enough to offset operational costs. Extra court time is cool but I don't think it's worth our time when coaches should be focused on next year immediately.

Why pay to play low major schools in Nov and Dec? No one cares and no one goes. Some of those games had attendance numbers around 1000-1500

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

Why pay to play in a tournament no one cares about? It's not like it would draw attendance big enough to offset operational costs. Extra court time is cool but I don't think it's worth our time when coaches should be focused on next year immediately.

Agreed. I couldn't even imagine the backlash if someone got hurt in the CBI Tournament playing freaking California Baptist or some directional school that no one has ever heard of.

I mean, I guess you could argue that the NIT and various football bowl games are also meaningless, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Otherwise, we might as well just call the old Marathon Oil team to come to the Pete for a best of 7 series.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Agreed. I couldn't even imagine the backlash if someone got hurt in the CBI Tournament playing freaking California Baptist or some directional school that no one has ever heard of.

I mean, I guess you could argue that the NIT and various football bowl games are also meaningless, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Otherwise, we might as well just call the old Marathon Oil team to come to the Pete for a best of 7 series.

Difference between Quick Lane Bowl vs EMU and CBI?

 

[DT_PITT]

So at this point, it doesn't seem the NIT is that likely. We pretty much have to win the next 3 and while I think we can beat Syracuse, I dont see any way we beat NC State or GT on the road. So, this is what I think our most reasonable path is:

- beat Syracuse

- beat GT (no way we win at NC St, their Top 15 level talent is too much. Not even Keatts could screw them up bad enough for us to win that one).

That would be 17-14, 8-12. Then we would have to win the ACCT Tuesday game. If you figure we lose on Wednesday, that would be 18-15 which given our NET and SOS, wouldn't usually be good enough. However, if we do all this, it at least gives us a chance. We can sit back and root for all the regular season conference champions to win their tournaments so they dont steal NIT bids. Perhaps if only 6-7 regular season champs steal bids, we can sneak in.

But since the NIT is unlikely, I thought I'd bring up the CBI question again. This team has looked like its ready for the season to end but outside of a 15 minute stretch where we scored 8 points, we looked like we played well and didnt look like a team that has given up. I have always been a fan of more basketball but after that 3 game losing streak, I would have been ok in them calling it quits. But with how we looked today, if we can beat Syracuse and maybe get another win, I really think the CBI could be a good confidence builder if we can make a deep run. If we were to win it, even against inferior competition, it could help build some of that winning mentality.

What do you think?

We aren’t going to the CBI.

 

[DT_PITT]

I just looked at all 12 years of the CBI bracket. I found one ACC team that has ever participated in the tournament: Virginia in 2008 (the very first year of the CBI). I can't find anything on it, but I could swear I heard the ACC say it no longer allows its schools to participate in it. If that wasn't the case, I would imagine there would have been more ACC schools in it throughout the years.

It's become a tournament for non-P5 schools, really. I know West Virginia participated in it last year, but you kind of just look like the 15-year-old playing in the balls at McDonald's if you're a P5 team playing in it nowadays.

This is all correct and we will not be playing in the CBI.

 

[Thee Jackie Treehorn]

We aren’t going to the CBI.

We demand proof!

 

[tetonpanther]

We aren’t going to the CBI.

No way would the acc allow a school to turnout n down a payday or espn

 

[oldpantherfan]

Once again arrogance from fans of a program that was pitiful two tears ago ?
Where do Pitt fans get off with finish the season and no CBI ?
when did we get to good for CBI ?
Pitt won in 2012 with a starting 17-16 overall /5-- 13( big east ) conference record and finished 22-17 with 5 CBI wins, But now that we are in the ACC we are above the CBI ?

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

Difference between Quick Lane Bowl vs EMU and CBI?

I had a feeling you would make that comparison, which is why I worded it as I did. I do think there are differences. For one, that game was on ESPN, whereas I don't think even the CBI Championship is televised... so exposure is a difference. Also, the extra team practices are more valuable in football, including the extra work for the young guys.

But, like I said, I mostly just think a line has to be drawn somewhere. It's one thing to play in a bowl; it's another to not qualify for one and have to pony up a $50,000 entry fee to go play UMASS or something.

But if you're so convinced of the CBI's benefits, preach it to the P5 conferences who have all but outright avoided it lately.

 

[DT_PITT]

Once again arrogance from fans of a program that was pitiful two tears ago ?
Where do Pitt fans get off with finish the season and no CBI ?
when did we get to good for CBI ?
Pitt won in 2012 with a starting 17-16 overall /5-- 13( big east ) conference record and finished 22-17 with 5 CBI wins, But now that we are in the ACC we are above the CBI ?

It’s not that we think we are above it. It’s simply that ACC teams don’t play in the event.

 

[Tonyt66]

Once again arrogance from fans of a program that was pitiful two tears ago ?
Where do Pitt fans get off with finish the season and no CBI ?
when did we get to good for CBI ?
Pitt won in 2012 with a starting 17-16 overall /5-- 13( big east ) conference record and finished 22-17 with 5 CBI wins, But now that we are in the ACC we are above the CBI ?

Me personally I said no to it because I don't want to see anymore of the same ole same old play because we know what we are and that's not changing until next yr. IMO

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It’s not that we think we are above it. It’s simply that ACC teams don’t play in the event.

But there are no rules against it.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I had a feeling you would make that comparison, which is why I worded it as I did. I do think there are differences. For one, that game was on ESPN, whereas I don't think even the CBI Championship is televised... so exposure is a difference. Also, the extra team practices are more valuable in football, including the extra work for the young guys.

But, like I said, I mostly just think a line has to be drawn somewhere. It's one thing to play in a bowl; it's another to not qualify for one and have to pony up a $50,000 entry fee to go play UMASS or something.

But if you're so convinced of the CBI's benefits, preach it to the P5 conferences who have all but outright avoided it lately.

WVU was in it last year and they play in a P5 conference.

Many CBI games are on ESPN now. However, television coverage or lack thereof is a really stupid determining factor.

It cost money for Pitt to play in the Quick Lane Bowl. The ACC covers transportation but not lodging. It isnt cheap to rent 100 hotel rooms and feed people for 4 days. The cost of doing that is more than the CBI would cost.

Try again. The CBI = Quick Lane Bowl. There's no way you can debate that.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

WVU was in it last year and they play in a P5 conference.

Many CBI games are on ESPN now. However, television coverage or lack thereof is a really stupid determining factor.

It cost money for Pitt to play in the Quick Lane Bowl. The ACC covers transportation but not lodging. It isnt cheap to rent 100 hotel rooms and feed people for 4 days. The cost of doing that is more than the CBI would cost.

Try again. The CBI = Quick Lane Bowl. There's no way you can debate that.

I mentioned WVU. Again, I said that there are a few differences, but the main underlying factor is that a line must be drawn in the sand somewhere. And three of four people have already chimed in and said it's not an option for ACC teams. I don't remember where I heard it, but i know I did. I believe it was during a broadcast during Artis' and Youngs' senior seasons. So you're arguing with yourself.

 

[DT_PITT]

But there are no rules against it.

But it’s not going to happen. So my suggestion to you is to drop it and use that mental energy instead on concocting your next idea that is not going to happen.

 

[BFo8]

Agreed. I couldn't even imagine the backlash if someone got hurt in the CBI Tournament playing freaking California Baptist or some directional school that no one has ever heard of.

I mean, I guess you could argue that the NIT and various football bowl games are also meaningless, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Otherwise, we might as well just call the old Marathon Oil team to come to the Pete for a best of 7 series.

Cal Baptist is actually a great comparison, as that is exactly the type of team Pitt would play in the CBI. They are a clear 2nd best team in the WAC, but not nearly good enough to warrant even a sniff at the NIT.

Nicely done.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

But it’s not going to happen. So my suggestion to you is to drop it and use that mental energy instead on concocting your next idea that is not going to happen.

If Capel doesn't want it, then fine. He has said he will do whatever is best for his program and doesn't care what anyone thinks (referring his Duq comments). If he wants to play in it, he will. Simple as that.

 

[DT_PITT]

If Capel doesn't want it, then fine. He has said he will do whatever is best for his program and doesn't care what anyone thinks (referring his Duq comments). If he wants to play in it, he will. Simple as that.

He won’t. Because ACC teams don’t.

 

[BFo8]

If Capel doesn't want it, then fine. He has said he will do whatever is best for his program and doesn't care what anyone thinks (referring his Duq comments). If he wants to play in it, he will. Simple as that.

Actually you will probably be able to get your CBI fill thru Duquesne, as that looks like their most likely destination.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

So at this point, it doesn't seem the NIT is that likely. We pretty much have to win the next 3 and while I think we can beat Syracuse, I dont see any way we beat NC State or GT on the road. So, this is what I think our most reasonable path is:

- beat Syracuse

- beat GT (no way we win at NC St, their Top 15 level talent is too much. Not even Keatts could screw them up bad enough for us to win that one).

That would be 17-14, 8-12. Then we would have to win the ACCT Tuesday game. If you figure we lose on Wednesday, that would be 18-15 which given our NET and SOS, wouldn't usually be good enough. However, if we do all this, it at least gives us a chance. We can sit back and root for all the regular season conference champions to win their tournaments so they dont steal NIT bids. Perhaps if only 6-7 regular season champs steal bids, we can sneak in.

But since the NIT is unlikely, I thought I'd bring up the CBI question again. This team has looked like its ready for the season to end but outside of a 15 minute stretch where we scored 8 points, we looked like we played well and didnt look like a team that has given up. I have always been a fan of more basketball but after that 3 game losing streak, I would have been ok in them calling it quits. But with how we looked today, if we can beat Syracuse and maybe get another win, I really think the CBI could be a good confidence builder if we can make a deep run. If we were to win it, even against inferior competition, it could help build some of that winning mentality.

What do you think?

Yes for the CBI. More time the better for this team.

 

[Fredact]

WVU was in it last year and they play in a P5 conference.

Many CBI games are on ESPN now. However, television coverage or lack thereof is a really stupid determining factor.

It cost money for Pitt to play in the Quick Lane Bowl. The ACC covers transportation but not lodging. It isnt cheap to rent 100 hotel rooms and feed people for 4 days. The cost of doing that is more than the CBI would cost.

Try again. The CBI = Quick Lane Bowl. There's no way you can debate that.

Based on number of teams in College Basketball vs college football, the CBI is actually pretty far above the Quick Lane Bowl. There were 40 college ball games that means 80 teams go to bowls--there's only 130 FBS schools. There are 350 D1 basketball schools. 100 go to the NCAA and NIT, and the CBI takes 16. So if you are in the CBI, you're, at a minimum in the top 1/3. Teams in the Quick Lane Bowl are probably not even in the top 1/2.