No matter what side of the ledger you are on....

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Left or Right, Republican or Democrat, Lib or Con, Federalist or Whig..........

I think one thing we can all agree on, there needs to be some limits on political ads. It is ridiculous, it is obscene, it is definitely not healthy, it borders on assault and definitely harassment.

We do not need 50 political ads per hour as we are getting in Pittsburgh. My family and I are playing games now guessing which the next ad will be, and which ad it will be, in regards to either Lamb or Saccone.

It is annoying, it is insulting, it is not healthy for any one.

 

[KanePA]

Absolutely agree. It makes me hate both candidates, honestly.

 

[pittengineer75]

Agree 100%. Not to mention, all of them are simply propaganda and none reflect policy or decision making process.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Agree 100%. Not to mention, all of them are simply propaganda and none reflect policy or decision making process.

PACs should be outlawed.

 

[Toddy_Too_Hotty]

Left or Right, Republican or Democrat, Lib or Con, Federalist or Whig..........

I think one thing we can all agree on, there needs to be some limits on political ads. It is ridiculous, it is obscene, it is definitely not healthy, it borders on assault and definitely harassment.

We do not need 50 political ads per hour as we are getting in Pittsburgh. My family and I are playing games now guessing which the next ad will be, and which ad it will be, in regards to either Lamb or Saccone.

It is annoying, it is insulting, it is not healthy for any one.

This is a great reason to cut-the-cord. I don't see any of that garbage on NetFlix, Hulu, or any other online channel that I watch.

That stuff irritates the crap out of me, and makes me very cynical about politics in general

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Absolutely agree. It makes me hate both candidates, honestly.

But it’s not the candidates. The ad that is running over and over for Saccone is not endorsed by him. And as I type this I just heard an ad for Lamb that also is not endorsed by him.

Pelosi and Ryan should have nothing to do with this election. Its too bad.

 

[NTOP]

Left or Right, Republican or Democrat, Lib or Con, Federalist or Whig..........

I think one thing we can all agree on, there needs to be some limits on political ads. It is ridiculous, it is obscene, it is definitely not healthy, it borders on assault and definitely harassment.

We do not need 50 political ads per hour as we are getting in Pittsburgh. My family and I are playing games now guessing which the next ad will be, and which ad it will be, in regards to either Lamb or Saccone.

It is annoying, it is insulting, it is not healthy for any one.

Cut all PACs, unions, NRA, etc. out of the process. It's gotten so bad I clap when Edgar Snyder ads pop up.

 

[pittengineer75]

PACs should be outlawed.

Agree. Same with Union lobbyists and political funding.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I'm union. Our PACs are outspent 9-1 most years nationally by those like Koch brothers. I would gladly take the deal to outlaw all PACs for many reasons! Including as someone who likes to watch some TV. Not sure the supreme court would allow it under the $ = speech theory.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Agree. Same with Union lobbyists and political funding.

Fine by me.
Unfortunately, the conservative majority of activists judges in the Supreme Court decided that money = speech

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Fine by me.
Unfortunately, the conservative majority of activists judges in the Supreme Court decided that money = speech

Lol

 

[NCPitt]

Lol

Yeah, he's trolling - "activist".

I guess he expects the govt should be able to enact laws and taxes without providing those targeted with a means to fight back.

 

[NCPitt]

Yeah, he's trolling - "activist".

I guess he expects the govt should be able to enact laws and taxes without providing those targeted with a means to fight back.

Just had another thought - scary, I know.

Its just liberals being liberals in disarming the private sector against govt. In this case, they want to weaken the 1st amendment by taking away speech rights. In other cases, they want to weaken the 2nd amendment by taking away gun rights. They consistently want to reduce rights of the private sector while strengthening the govt.

 

[mike 301]

Just watched one of the nauseating adds . Connor lamb PSA .
I have a serious question .

First . The add stated that Rick Saccone took advantage of over 430,000 in perks plus 600k in pay . My question . Aren't all these congressman entitled to this ?
If so how can this be a good PSA strategy ? Honest question everyone .

 

[NTOP]

I'm union. Our PACs are outspent 9-1 most years nationally by those like Koch brothers. I would gladly take the deal to outlaw all PACs for many reasons! Including as someone who likes to watch some TV. Not sure the supreme court would allow it under the $ = speech theory.

Well, I'm a conservative who wants Citizens United tossed out.

 

[mike 301]

Just watched one of the nauseating adds . Connor lamb PSA .
I have a serious question .

First . The add stated that Rick Saccone took advantage of over 430,000 in perks plus 600k in pay . My question . Aren't all these congressman entitled to this ?
If so how can this be a good PSA strategy ? Honest question everyone .

Ok . Did some very little research . According to google congressmen get a 174,000 dollar salary . How does Saccone earn 600,0000 ? According to Lambs PSA ! Wast that 3 years 4 years ? Even at that times 4 ?
Couldn't that be construed as false advertising . Just sayin .. It's against the law .
Then again . According to dems its against the law only if its against the law with them .

Scary

 

[mike 301]

Ok . Did some very little research . According to google congressmen get a 174,000 dollar salary . How does Saccone earn 600,0000 ? According to Lambs PSA ! Wast that 3 years 4 years ? Even at that times 4 ?
Couldn't that be construed as false advertising . Just sayin .. It's against the law .
Then again . According to dems its against the law only if its against the law with them .

Scary

Ok . Did my math . Even at 3 years service , 522,000 $ .
Do these politicians think your average person will do the math ?
"Hey . Lets just throw some numbers out there and let the people decide ! There idiots anyway " Wow

 

[paulbl99]

Just had another thought - scary, I know.

Its just liberals being liberals in disarming the private sector against govt. In this case, they want to weaken the 1st amendment by taking away speech rights. In other cases, they want to weaken the 2nd amendment by taking away gun rights. They consistently want to reduce rights of the private sector while strengthening the govt.

This is a bingo.
They do however steadfastly support the right to butcher millions.

Souf = State Uber Alles.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Yeah, he's trolling - "activist".

I guess he expects the govt should be able to enact laws and taxes without providing those targeted with a means to fight back.

They have those means each election cycle with their votes
But - glad to know you want a government to represent lobbyists and pay for play, rather than the people.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Just had another thought - scary, I know.

Its just liberals being liberals in disarming the private sector against govt. In this case, they want to weaken the 1st amendment by taking away speech rights. In other cases, they want to weaken the 2nd amendment by taking away gun rights. They consistently want to reduce rights of the private sector while strengthening the govt.

Speech is fine.
Bribes aren’t

 

[NCPitt]

They have those means each election cycle with their votes
But - glad to know you want a government to represent lobbyists and pay for play, rather than the people.

Silliness. Corporations have no votes. But citizens do. If they don't want their elected officials to represent corporate interests, then citizens actually do have the power of the ballot.

 

[NCPitt]

Speech is fine.
Bribes aren’t

What bribes? The SC allowed spending on ads. Direct contributions to pols remain limited. There are no bribes.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

What bribes? The SC allowed spending on ads. Direct contributions to pols remain limited. There are no bribes.

Oh, how delightful naive
It’s just a coincidence they tend to go work for these organizations with healthy compensation upon leaving .
A delayed bribe is still a bribe

 

[NCPitt]

Oh, how delightful naive
It’s just a coincidence they tend to go work for these organizations with healthy compensation upon leaving .
A delayed bribe is still a bribe

I don't think you know what "bribe" is.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I don't think you know what "bribe" is.

Quid pro quo
Is quid pro quo

 

[NCPitt]

Quid pro quo
Is quid pro quo

Can you prove it?

In other words, is there evidence that a pol's post-govt career is contingent on his vote by pre-arrangement?

Or are you just speculating?

Aren't you the one who keeps saying something about causation and correlation?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Can you prove it?

In other words, is there evidence that a pol's post-govt career is contingent on his vote by pre-arrangement?

Or are you just speculating?

Aren't you the one who keeps saying something about causation and correlation?

Just speculating/
And with 431 former congress members now lobbyists-
It’s seems well founded
https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/top.php?display=Z

 

[NCPitt]

Just speculating/
And with 431 former congress members now lobbyists-
It’s seems well founded
https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/top.php?display=Z

Some more questions.

How does anyone know whether the pols' positions are driven by your speculated quid pro quo or the support of the industry is driven by pols' positions? In other words, if a young person - 25 years old - just entering politics takes a position on the NRA, is he taking that position hoping that he will be offered a job in 30 years? Or is he taking that position because he thinks it get him elected? If it is the latter, doesn't it make sense that the organizations who agree with his position would then support his election?