Not all on Narduzzi

[PittMiamiRivalry]

I think fire the coach misses it. Is Pitt giving him the resources he needs? Generally Pitt falls at the end of the pack in resource allocation for athletics.

For all the criticism of Chryst's recruiting, Narduzzi is worse.

If Pitt really wanted to win it would allocate resources. It's the Kevin Costner principle: Build it (in this case fund it) and the fans (fan donations) will come.

 

[TD_istheman]

No its not all on him, I agree fully. He needs to be vocal about what he needs, but I know first hand, his recruiting needs a lot of work. HIS RECRUITING! I am sure his budget doesn't help , bet my life on that, but he has to sell better, and that also goes for having his team prepared when 3 top recruits are in the house. He isn't helping matters either.

 

[DiehardPanther]

No its not all on him, I agree fully. He needs to be vocal about what he needs, but I know first hand, his recruiting needs a lot of work. HIS RECRUITING! I am sure his budget doesn't help , bet my life on that, but he has to sell better, and that also goes for having his team prepared when 3 top recruits are in the house. He isn't helping matters either.

What has he specifically done wrong in recruiting?

 

[rmf05]

His recruiting isn't horrible its more or less just un-inspired. There aren't any dynamic players on this roster. Maybe when Henderson gets healthy and some of the DB's we've been excited about get onto the field that will change. Unfortunately, his schemes just look stupid. I've had it with watching our D running around like idiots not covering ANYONE!

 

[pittmeister]

I think fire the coach misses it. Is Pitt giving him the resources he needs? Generally Pitt falls at the end of the pack in resource allocation for athletics.

For all the criticism of Chryst's recruiting, Narduzzi is worse.

If Pitt really wanted to win it would allocate resources. It's the Kevin Costner principle: Build it (in this case fund it) and the fans (fan donations) will come.

Wrong...

Recruiting is not the problem at the moment. Our most gifted players are presently true Freshman, red-shirt Freshman, or Sophomores with little or no playing experience. Then we have upper-class men with little experience playing (Zeise). Some of the kids we have recruited haven’t been able to stay healthy (Hamlin, Coleman,)

Let’s take a look at the recruiting under Narduzzi:

Wannstedt’s 2010 Roster:

Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 28

Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by DW: 28

Players with ZERO P5 offers: 23

Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by DW: 23

Narduzzi’s 2017 Roster:

Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 36

Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 27 (Chryst gets credit for the other 9)

Players with ZERO P5 offers: 19

Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 9 (Chryst gets credit for the other 10)

I won’t bother to post Chryst’s last class, it was a mess and part of the reason we are where we are today.

After two and a half recruiting classes,the quality of recruits has gotten better under Narduzzi, not worse. In the 2018 class, 9 of the 14 commitments also have 5 or more P5 offers. Considering what we will lose and gain on next year’s roster (including Whitehead), we will net 4 more players for a total of 40 players with 5 or more P5 offers.

We'll see if the kids can play and stay healthy...

 

[DiehardPanther]

Wrong...

Recruiting is not the problem at the moment. Our most gifted players are presently true Freshman, red-shirt Freshman, or Sophomores with little or no playing experience. Then we have upper-class men with little experience playing (Zeise). Some of the kids we have recruited haven’t been able to stay healthy (Hamlin, Coleman,)

Let’s take a look at the recruiting under Narduzzi:

Wannstedt’s 2010 Roster:

Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 28

Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by DW: 28

Players with ZERO P5 offers: 23

Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by DW: 23

Narduzzi’s 2017 Roster:

Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 36

Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 27 (Chryst gets credit for the other 9)

Players with ZERO P5 offers: 19

Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 9 (Chryst gets credit for the other 10)

I won’t bother to post Chryst’s last class, it was a mess and part of the reason we are where we are today.

After two and a half recruiting classes,the quality of recruits has gotten better under Narduzzi, not worse. In the 2018 class, 9 of the 14 commitments also have 5 or more P5 offers. Considering what we will lose and gain on next year’s roster (including Whitehead), we will net 4 more players for a total of 40 players with 5 or more P5 offers.

We'll see if the kids can play and stay healthy...

The only way Pitt can become a good program is with a consistently veteran laden team that mixes in a few studs. It is the formula Dixon was using in basketball, and teams like Wisky are using in football.

 

[TD_istheman]

The only way Pitt can become a good program is with a consistently veteran laden team that mixes in a few studs. It is the formula Dixon was using in basketball, and teams like Wisky are using in football.

We are agreeing more today than ever lol

 

[Delpanther]

No one's getting fired and no one deserves to get fired except perhaps for a couple of defensive assistants... just complete nonsense. So stop it! It's going to be a tough year. Part of the frustration we all feel is that Narduzzi's teams have given us the taste of the quality of FB we haven't had in a long time. What the hell did Chryst ever deliver? The guy was clueless. Narduzzi can get the job done but it's going to take another 2-3 years and no one is more frustrated at the prospects of that than me. WVU fans were frustrated as hell with Holgersen at one point but they stayed the course and he's produced some good FB teams...there's a lesson there. Pitt had just better give him all the support he needs because a lot of us are near the end of our rope. This rebuild fails and a lot of us will abandon ship and Pitt can't afford another big hit to a quickly diminishing fan base.

 

[mlvnsmly]

Wrong...

Recruiting is not the problem at the moment. Our most gifted players are presently true Freshman, red-shirt Freshman, or Sophomores with little or no playing experience. Then we have upper-class men with little experience playing (Zeise). Some of the kids we have recruited haven’t been able to stay healthy (Hamlin, Coleman,)

Let’s take a look at the recruiting under Narduzzi:

Wannstedt’s 2010 Roster:

Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 28

Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by DW: 28

Players with ZERO P5 offers: 23

Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by DW: 23

Narduzzi’s 2017 Roster:

Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 36

Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 27 (Chryst gets credit for the other 9)

Players with ZERO P5 offers: 19

Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 9 (Chryst gets credit for the other 10)

I won’t bother to post Chryst’s last class, it was a mess and part of the reason we are where we are today.

After two and a half recruiting classes,the quality of recruits has gotten better under Narduzzi, not worse. In the 2018 class, 9 of the 14 commitments also have 5 or more P5 offers. Considering what we will lose and gain on next year’s roster (including Whitehead), we will net 4 more players for a total of 40 players with 5 or more P5 offers.

We'll see if the kids can play and stay healthy...

You keep posting your stats, but they're wrong. You can't compare recruiting 10 years ago to recruiting now. In 2010, Pitt put out 40 total offers. In 2017, 226. Recruiting has changed dramatically. All schools have, tripled, even quadrupled their offers since then. There's no way you could compare the two. Realistically, all kids signed by Pitt should have at least 5 p5 offers at this point.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

In 2010, Pitt put out 40 total offers. In 2017, 226.

Link?

 

[DiehardPanther]

You keep posting your stats, but they're wrong. You can't compare recruiting 10 years ago to recruiting now. In 2010, Pitt put out 40 total offers. In 2017, 226. Recruiting has changed dramatically. All schools have, tripled, even quadrupled their offers since then. There's no way you could compare the two. Realistically, all kids signed by Pitt should have at least 5 p5 offers at this point.

If you believe Pitt only put out 40 offers in 2010, then I got some good Beach front property in Iowa to sell you.

 

[pittdoc57]

Link?

http://pitt.247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/Offers


You can scroll and find the offers going back to other years.

 

[pittdoc57]

If you believe Pitt only put out 40 offers in 2010, then I got some good Beach front property in Iowa to sell you.

You are correct. According to Pitt 247, they put out 41 offers in 2010.

 

[DiehardPanther]

You are correct. According to Pitt 247, they put out 41 offers in 2010.

247 - you are relying on a PS run site to provide you accurate, factual information on Pitt? LOL

 

[RaleighPittFan]

http://pitt.247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/Offers


You can scroll and find the offers going back to other years.

How would 247 know the amount of offers?

 

[pittmeister]

You keep posting your stats, but they're wrong. You can't compare recruiting 10 years ago to recruiting now. In 2010, Pitt put out 40 total offers. In 2017, 226. Recruiting has changed dramatically. All schools have, tripled, even quadrupled their offers since then. There's no way you could compare the two. Realistically, all kids signed by Pitt should have at least 5 p5 offers at this point.

And I will keep posting... You can spin it any way you want but the fact is the quality of players we are landing are better now regardless of the circumstance.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

At this point, WGAF about power 5 offers? The 2015 class had several guys that nard dog landed late in the process-McKee, Stocker, Brightwell, Edwards, DeNucci gentry Ivey and arujo lopez. That gave us a lot of momentum recruiting-wise at the time. But there is a problem: none of these guys are difference makers. Time is running out on this class. They couldn't beat out guys like galambos and caprara for playing time, and not it appears that they are not as effective as those guys

 

[TD_istheman]

If you believe Pitt only put out 40 offers in 2010, then I got some good Beach front property in Iowa to sell you.

You ask a lot of question and never prove a thing , so now prove what you say!

 

[pittdoc57]

247 is easily the best recruiting info out there. Probably not popular to say that on a Rivals site, but they've got a lot of good info. Can't verify where it all comes from, but it's comprehensive on every team.

You think it's a PS run site?

 

[TD_istheman]

247 - you are relying on a PS run site to provide you accurate, factual information on Pitt? LOL

Where is your proof ?

 

[DiehardPanther]

247 is easily the best recruiting info out there. Probably not popular to say that on a Rivals site, but they've got a lot of good info. Can't verify where it all comes from, but it's comprehensive on every team.

You think it's a PS run site?

Don't have to think. It is a PS run site.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Where is your proof ?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-tholey-4a215b31

He was in charge of the Pitt site on 247. A PS Cult Member. Rivals is the best place for Pitt talk and information.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

http://pitt.247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/Offers


You can scroll and find the offers going back to other years.

I'm also still waiting on you to show the Tony Dorsett video from last year's Penn State game you claim to have seen that shows he was drunk and embarrassing.

 

[mlvnsmly]

Link?

Go to 247 under offers and just change the year:

http://pitt.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Offers

 

[mlvnsmly]

And I will keep posting... You can spin it any way you want but the fact is the quality of players we are landing are better now regardless of the circumstance.

I'm just using math man. You're spinning it. I'm not drawing conclusions, you are. I'm sorry if you don't understand simple math. I just don't think you shouldn't be confusing others.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

The only way Pitt can become a good program is with a consistently veteran laden team that mixes in a few studs. It is the formula Dixon was using in basketball, and teams like Wisky are using in football.

I agree. Go with what works and has worked in the past.

This Pitt AD MUST develop something for Narduzzi to sell, though. All she has done that is visible is developing a new tailgate experience, and no one is showing up, and get out there and cheer for the home team. She needs to do something concrete and substantive that will help improve the athletic programs. I thought that was her job.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

247 is easily the best recruiting info out there. Probably not popular to say that on a Rivals site, but they've got a lot of good info. Can't verify where it all comes from, but it's comprehensive on every team.

You think it's a PS run site?

I wouldn't visit that garbage site run by some child rape cultists. Rivals is the best site for good Pitt conversation by a long shot.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

I'm also still waiting on you to show the Tony Dorsett video from last year's Penn State game you claim to have seen that shows he was drunk and embarrassing.

He wasn't drunk. I don't know where this crap comes from. I'm sure most know he is suffering from CTE and the effects of that can sometimes appear to be similar to being drunk. It's deteriorating with TD.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

I wouldn't visit that garbage site run by some child rape cultists. Rivals is the best site for good Pitt conversation by a long shot.

it was the local site I believe that was run by nitters (i.e. Karlo's boss). But there are some good national people at 247. Wilfong is probably one of the best out there. But not worth paying for since it is just national and they have no local coverage for Pitt

 

[mlvnsmly]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-tholey-4a215b31

He was in charge of the Pitt site on 247. A PS Cult Member. Rivals is the best place for Pitt talk and information.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. 247, a national recruiting site, employs somebody that went to psu. SO DOES RIVALS! I guess it's run by psu too just to make Pitt look bad. I guess the jokes on you then since you're here posting. Find some facts to contradict it if you like.

 

[mlvnsmly]

And don't get lost in one number. Schools offer 200-300 kids a cycle now. Nobody was doing that back then. It was more like 40-80. Use any site or team you like to corroborate.

 

[TD_istheman]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. 247, a national recruiting site, employs somebody that went to psu. SO DOES RIVALS! I guess it's run by psu too just to make Pitt look bad. I guess the jokes on you then since you're here posting. Find some facts to contradict it if you like.

PITT BRASS IS PERFECT for past 30 years, a Nitter grad on a recruiting site EVIL. Wow

 

[TD_istheman]

And don't get lost in one number. Schools offer 200-300 kids a cycle now. Nobody was doing that back then. It was more like 40-80. Use any site or team you like to corroborate.

You are correct but it doesn't fit the agenda.

 

[pittmeister]

I'm just using math man. You're spinning it. I'm not drawing conclusions, you are. I'm sorry if you don't understand simple math. I just don't think you shouldn't be confusing others.

If you star gazers prefer, I speak to you in your language:

DW had 28 four star players on his roster after 6 years of recruiting.

PN has 23 four star players after two and half years of recruiting PN landed 20 of them. A few of the players he's already landed in the 2018 class will probably get a bump as well...

Players in red did not finish their eligibility with Pitt...

Now try and spin that...

 

[gary2]

No its not all on him, I agree fully. He needs to be vocal about what he needs, but I know first hand, his recruiting needs a lot of work. HIS RECRUITING! I am sure his budget doesn't help , bet my life on that, but he has to sell better, and that also goes for having his team prepared when 3 top recruits are in the house. He isn't helping matters either.

I thought massive resources were taken away from the basketball program and given to the football program.

Doesn't Narduzzi fly his personal jet to meet recruits? (sarcasm)

 

[TD_istheman]

I thought massive resources were taken away from the basketball program and given to the football program.

Doesn't Narduzzi fly his personal jet to met recruits? (sarcasm)

He uses a BIG WHEEL

 

[mlvnsmly]

If you star gazers prefer, I speak to you in your language:

DW had 28 four star players on his roster after 6 years of recruiting.

PN has 23 four star players after two and half years of recruiting PN landed 20 of them. A few of the players he's already landed in the 2018 class will probably get a bump as well...

Players in red did not finish their eligibility with Pitt...

Now try and spin that...

I'm not trying to spin anything. I don't know whether recruiting now is better or worse. I'm just pointing out how illogical your argument is. I don't understand how you can make a spreadsheet and not understand 5th grade mathematics.

If you insist though, you'll need to start by removing transfers. It's a joke to say PN recruited them as 4 or 5 stars. That proves you are trying to spin things. Also, where is macvittie a 4 star? I honestly don't feel like fact checking your whole list, but it seems disingenuous at best. Maybe some references are in order.

 

[mlvnsmly]

Seriously though, why can't you talk about wins. That's all that matters. I've been on record saying the jury's still out on PN. One more year, we'll see.

 

[pittmeister]

I'm not trying to spin anything. I don't know whether recruiting now is better or worse. I'm just pointing out how illogical your argument is. I don't understand how you can make a spreadsheet and not understand 5th grade mathematics.

If you insist though, you'll need to start by removing transfers. It's a joke to say PN recruited them as 4 or 5 stars. That proves you are trying to spin things. Also, where is macvittie a 4 star? I honestly don't feel like fact checking your whole list, but it seems disingenuous at best. Maybe some references are in order.

Listen spinster, do your research. The same criteria was used for both set of recruits. If Rivals, Scout, ESPN, or 24/7 had them as a 4 star player, then I listed them as such. McVittie was a a 4 star player under 24/7. No matter how you shuffle the deck, recruiting is not worse than ever. Don't be lazy, if you don't like my spreadsheet, then make your own and present it. Until then STFU....

 

[mlvnsmly]

Not spinning anything, just pointing out your 5th grade education. No way you went to Pitt, or any college. So your cherry picking ratings? Good one. I never said recruiting was better or worse. Another thing you made up. My personal opinion is it's about the same. I'm not drawing any conclusions on bad data though. I will draw mine at the end of next year, after 4 years.

Way to change the subject, by the way, after your original premise got blown out of the water.

Off to ignore you go, so you don't have to STFU.