So the pirates give up cutch and Glasnow for Quintana? I don't like that at all.
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So the pirates give up cutch and Glasnow for Quintana? I don't like that at all.
Yes, and they could potentially get a ss as good as Newman in a trade but it would be quite costly. As far as Meadows goes, finding another cheap, young talent like him would be next to impossible unless the Bucs are willing to gut the system. Meadows projects favorably to a guy like Charlie Blackmon with less speed and more power. The Nats paid a huge price for a young OF a few notches lower in Adam Eaton.
It comes down to who they'd rather give up...years of control over a potential AS in Meadows and up to two years of a potential AS in Cutch. Cutch probably bounces back well but maybe he ends up somewhere between bad Cutch and MVP Cutch...a guy who makes the AS team every other year and is still productive. But I'd rather see them trade Cutch than Meadows at this point, primarily because it looks like Cutch is as good as gone in two years anyways and probably much sooner.
Maybe they can get a prospect back from the Mets in that deal too.
A Meadows/Marte/Polanco OF is very very good and the defense might be the best in the league. Add that to an IF of Kang, Newman, Frazier, Bell (if the latter two can get the D going) and we become a much better team.
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Not sure but the Astros have to feel pretty dumb overpaying for Morton. It looked bad then and looks even worse now!
We were in the top half of MLB in runs last year, even with almost a full season of bad Cutch, a large portion without Kang, not great production from Harrison, and little from 1B until Bell arrived. I think we will improve greatly this year with Bell at first, more Frazier at 2B, and a full year of Kang at 3B. Need to bolster the bench though.
I think we will be a better team this year if we get the offense I mention above and get a full year out of a healthy Cole. Nova really improves this club's chances of making the playoffs, IMO. The Hudson signing is big as well in that it potentially gives us the 7,8,9 guys we need to lock down the end of games.I think we become a favorite to grab the 1st wild card spot, at minimum, if we can land Quintana.
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It's funny, but Del's response is exactly what I was thinking though. If they would have signed Happ last year, and signed Nova this year, then maybe they don't need Quintana.
But here's the thing about "prospects". I am pretty sure that teams, especially the Pirates, love to hold on to "prospects" because it imparts some future return for the fan, hope. It doesn't always work out that way. Remember the Pirates acquiring high level "prospects" like Midre Cummings and Ron Wright? Remember those can't miss, high level prospects like Chad Hermensen and Jose Guillen? It wasn't just the Pirates who highly, and then as it proved out, overrated these guys.
The other thing the Pirates do that I am convinced of, is they hold down their "prospects" for 2 reasons other than making sure they are "ready". 1) Holding them down means they haven't yet failed at the big league level, so again you are selling the hope and future angle. 2) They try and hold them down there so when they come up they are closer to their prime years, so they are hopefully getting some of their prime years before they reach free agency.
Contrast that with the Penguins. A guy is ready or he isn't. If he is, and he is good enough, he plays. The Pens could have effed around with Murray more, but the guy got an opportunity and ran with it and the rest as they say, is history.
But the Pirates haven't failed with the high level prospects lately. Which high-level homegrown talent has failed in the last five years or so? I may have genuinely forgotten a few so its an honest question. I can only think of successes. Meadows is in the class of Cutch, Polanco, Marte, Alvarez, Walker, and now Bell and Frazier (Frazier isn't quite as high level). Alvarez failed here but not before he put up a few very solid seasons. On the pitching side, we've seen the ascension of Cole and Taillon....am I missing anyone? To me, all of the prospects who flame out are the ones we got via trade from elsewhere like Tabata or Lambo. Chase D'Arnaud flamed out but I think he was already fading by the time he reached the high minors.
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Judging pitchers by W/L without any other context is silly. Quintana is a bonafide #2 and could be more in a NL pitchers park.
