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OOC schedule so far

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Purdue
Kent State
Eastern Washington
Morehead State
Western Carolina
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Central Arkansas
Detroit

Neutral
Gonzaga (Okinawa)
Davidson (MSG)
Duquesne (CEC)

That leaves 2. Am I missing any?

I know RMU won't be one. They have "pay" games at Cincy and Georgia this year but not at The Pete. The funny thing is this is the one mid-major/minor D1 team that no Pitt fan would complain about playing.
 
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Home
Purdue
Kent State
Eastern Washington
Morehead State
Western Carolina
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Central Arkansas
Neutral
Gonzaga (Okinawa)
Davidson (MSG)
Duquesne (CEC)

That leaves 3. Am I missing any?

I know RMU won't be one. They have "pay" games at Cincy and Georgia this year but not at The Pete. The funny thing is this is the one mid-major/minor D1 team that no Pitt fan would complain about playing.
Aren't we in some tournament? I don't follow things as close as I used to, but based on those teams it doesn't seem to have a pre-season tourney listed.

I'm not sure why people are beefing about the OOC. Purdue, Kent State, Gonzaga and Davidson have the makings of a decent base to the OOC. Morehead St only finished 3rd in their conference last year, but they aren't awful recently.
 
Aren't we in some tournament? I don't follow things as close as I used to, but based on those teams it doesn't seem to have a pre-season tourney listed.

I'm not sure why people are beefing about the OOC. Purdue, Kent State, Gonzaga and Davidson have the makings of a decent base to the OOC. Morehead St only finished 3rd in their conference last year, but they aren't awful recently.

We are in the Gotham Classic and while its considered an "exempted event," its not a "tournament." We play EWU, Morehead, and WCU at home and Davidson in a Sunday matinee at MSG.

I dont think the schedule, speaking about RPI, is bad. It never is, really. Its just that some people would prefer play a few more brand name teams to create more excitement and challenge themselves in Nov/Dec.......but that's not the point of this post.
 
We are in the Gotham Classic and while its considered an "exempted event," its not a "tournament." We play EWU, Morehead, and WCU at home and Davidson in a Sunday matinee at MSG.

I dont think the schedule, speaking about RPI, is bad. It never is, really. Its just that some people would prefer play a few more brand name teams to create more excitement and challenge themselves in Nov/Dec.......but that's not the point of this post.
Thanks. After Maui last year, that is a little less exciting for sure....I'd like to see one more "High D1 game".
 
I'm guessing that quite a few Pitt fans will also be missing this game.
Actually, they are often a decent squad. I'll be there, just to see the Pitt coaches in clown suits. ;)
 
Purdue
Detroit
Kent State
Eastern Washington
Morehead State
Western Carolina
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Central Arkansas

I understand, but minimally interested.
 
Pitt needs to schedule better in OOC. Good game with Gonzaga and Purdue. Other than that it's pretty meh. Should take 1/2 of those joke games out and add1/2 half decent opponents in the likes of a Oregon or Arkansas or something. = /
 
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Should take 1/2 of those joke games out and add1/2 half decent opponents in the likes of a Oregon or Arkansas or something. = /

We don't need to eliminate half of the "joke" games as you say but most of us agree that we should eliminate at least 1 and schedule a home and home with an Oregon or Arkansas-level team as you suggest.
 
I think his 1/2 doesn't mean half the games, it means 1 or 2 games. Which would make him in agreement with you (and me for that matter).
 
We don't need to eliminate half of the "joke" games as you say but most of us agree that we should eliminate at least 1 and schedule a home and home with an Oregon or Arkansas-level team as you suggest.

I agree with this as well.
 
I agree with this as well.

What we should do is schedule, on an indefinite basis, home and home with UConn and Temple and... maybe one of our two regular ACC games against Cuse each year... at MSG. This would pretty much solve our problem with loss of visibility on the east coast as well as help our RPI.

Beyond that.... not schedule any games against ANYBODY with RPIs below 200. This does not buy us anything and drags our RPI down like you would not believe. Sounds to me like a fool thing Steve Pederson would do (hey, it doesn't matter whether you win by 10 or win by 30... a W is a W.... except when it is against a real low RPI team) but now that big Stevie has been let go.... time to turn this around.
 
Sounds to me like a fool thing Steve Pederson would do (hey, it doesn't matter whether you win by 10 or win by 30... a W is a W.... except when it is against a real low RPI team) but now that big Stevie has been let go.... time to turn this around.

Man, people here blame Steve Pederson for some really stupid things, but this one just may take the cake. For most of Steve Pederson's second term here Pitt (and more specifically Jamie Dixon) had the reputation of being one of the best at manipulating the RPI. Now he's gone and we are blaming him for something he had little or nothing at all to do with, while not giving him any credit for what actually happened while he was here. That's some really good work right there.

And for the record, I give Steve Pederson very little credit or blame for the basketball schedule during his second tenure here. But if you are going to give him one or the other it would be nice if you'd actually pick the correct one.
 
Man, people here blame Steve Pederson for some really stupid things, but this one just may take the cake. For most of Steve Pederson's second term here Pitt (and more specifically Jamie Dixon) had the reputation of being one of the best at manipulating the RPI. Now he's gone and we are blaming him for something he had little or nothing at all to do with, while not giving him any credit for what actually happened while he was here. That's some really good work right there.

And for the record, I give Steve Pederson very little credit or blame for the basketball schedule during his second tenure here. But if you are going to give him one or the other it would be nice if you'd actually pick the correct one.

The only thing Steve may have dictated within the schedule is the number of home games he requested.

Otherwise, Dixon had full say of the opponents.

In fact, a sticking point between Dixon and Jeff Long was Long's meddling in the schedule without consulting Dixon. For example, the home and home Pitt had with Buffalo in 2005 and 2006 was Jeff Long's doing, and he did not consult with Dixon. This was indeed a rift between them.
 
What we should do is schedule, on an indefinite basis, home and home with UConn and Temple and... maybe one of our two regular ACC games against Cuse each year... at MSG. This would pretty much solve our problem with loss of visibility on the east coast as well as help our RPI.

Beyond that.... not schedule any games against ANYBODY with RPIs below 200. This does not buy us anything and drags our RPI down like you would not believe. Sounds to me like a fool thing Steve Pederson would do (hey, it doesn't matter whether you win by 10 or win by 30... a W is a W.... except when it is against a real low RPI team) but now that big Stevie has been let go.... time to turn this around.

It's never quite as easy as NOT scheduling anyone below 200 rpi.

It 's not as if all team's are sitting around waiting for Pitt to call them. So much of it is about open dates, travel schedules, travel distance, etc. And many other teams are calling other teams too.
 
If you are saying it is Dixon's fault and not Pederson's... then fine.

But, after the move to the ACC, Cuse went out and made long term agreements with the likes of St Johns, Georgetown, Nova, and the like.... and.... DIXON... just sat on it.

And, I have difficulty believing that the moves that Cuse made were all Boeheim's doing. The AD must have been involved to a considerable degree.

But, if y'all think what I am saying is a bunch of bull... then y'all can SUCK IT UP when the program collapses in two years.... and come up with all your weak excuses.
 
If you are saying it is Dixon's fault and not Pederson's... then fine.

But, after the move to the ACC, Cuse went out and made long term agreements with the likes of St Johns, Georgetown, Nova, and the like.... and.... DIXON... just sat on it.

And, I have difficulty believing that the moves that Cuse made were all Boeheim's doing. The AD must have been involved to a considerable degree.

But, if y'all think what I am saying is a bunch of bull... then y'all can SUCK IT UP when the program collapses in two years.... and come up with all your weak excuses.
Oh, please. Kick the dog or something. When Dixon turns it around, just admit you were wrong.
 
Zara, up until about two years ago Dixon had the reputation of being a master manipulator of scheduling. He was well known for putting together a schedule that simultaneously looked good from an RPI standpoint and included almost no games that Pitt had a reasonable chance to lose. That's why games against teams like Central Arkansas and Maryland Eastern Shore are doubly disappointing. They absolutely are a departure from the scheduling philosophy of the past. During just about all of the second Steve Pederson reign at Pitt, Pitt NEVER scheduled a game like Central Arkansas. Not once. Now Steve Pederson is gone and you are blaming him for something he had absolutely nothing to do with, and, as I said before, he really didn't have anything to do with even when he was here.

Pitt didn't schedule the way that Syracuse has scheduled for one simple reason. The head coach doesn't want to. If you think that the Syracuse AD tells Jim Boeheim who he is going to schedule and where he is going to play the games you are simply wrong. If you think that Steve Pederson told Jamie Dixon who he was going to schedule and where he was going to play the games you are simply wrong. If you think that Scott Barnes is going to tell Jamie Dixon who he has to schedule and where they are going to play the games you are simply wrong. That isn't the way that big time college basketball scheduling works. The AD certainly has input, for instance as DT has said he might say that we want to play X games at home this season. But at all the big time schools the coaches do pretty much all the work in putting the schedule together. If you want to complain about Pitt not signing a contract to play Connecticut or Georgetown or whomever then lay the "blame" where it properly belongs, at the feet of the head coach and not with the athletic director.

In other words, I don't think that what you are saying is a bunch of bull. I know it.
 
Zara, up until about two years ago Dixon had the reputation of being a master manipulator of scheduling. He was well known for putting together a schedule that simultaneously looked good from an RPI standpoint and included almost no games that Pitt had a reasonable chance to lose. That's why games against teams like Central Arkansas and Maryland Eastern Shore are doubly disappointing. They absolutely are a departure from the scheduling philosophy of the past. During just about all of the second Steve Pederson reign at Pitt, Pitt NEVER scheduled a game like Central Arkansas. Not once. Now Steve Pederson is gone and you are blaming him for something he had absolutely nothing to do with, and, as I said before, he really didn't have anything to do with even when he was here.

Pitt didn't schedule the way that Syracuse has scheduled for one simple reason. The head coach doesn't want to. If you think that the Syracuse AD tells Jim Boeheim who he is going to schedule and where he is going to play the games you are simply wrong. If you think that Steve Pederson told Jamie Dixon who he was going to schedule and where he was going to play the games you are simply wrong. If you think that Scott Barnes is going to tell Jamie Dixon who he has to schedule and where they are going to play the games you are simply wrong. That isn't the way that big time college basketball scheduling works. The AD certainly has input, for instance as DT has said he might say that we want to play X games at home this season. But at all the big time schools the coaches do pretty much all the work in putting the schedule together. If you want to complain about Pitt not signing a contract to play Connecticut or Georgetown or whomever then lay the "blame" where it properly belongs, at the feet of the head coach and not with the athletic director.

In other words, I don't think that what you are saying is a bunch of bull. I know it.

Joe... when Dixon announced some time ago that THEY had gotten in touch with Nova and G'Town about home and home (but had gotten turned down)... I don't believe that meant that Dixon had talked on the phone with Boeheim and Thompson III... but rather... Dixon and Pederson had discussed the whole thing and it was Pederson on the phone with the Nova and G'Town ADs and they in turn discussed it with their coaches and it was then that those ADs told Pederson they were not interested.

(I don't have any first hand information on this and thus could be wrong but... that is the way it looks to me and... IMO that is the way it should be.)

Agreed.... that the head coach for all intents and purposes controls the schedule.... BUT... the AD is very involved also and can make a difference.... suggesting things to the head coach (like, lets talk to UConn) and maybe doing a better job of selling the home and home when he talks to the other ADs.

In this respect, IMO Steve Pederson was a total failure... both with the basketball program and the football program as well (particularly the hiring of 'Woody') and, despite the fact that he was a likable guy for sure, I am very happy that he is gone... and hoping that Barnes can have a MUCH more positive impact on the athletics than Pederson did.

But the BIG THING (and I believe we are not in disagreement here) is that, with the move to the ACC, our major recruitment area of NYC Metro, NJ and eastern PA, has DRIED UP... and Dixon has tried getting some players from ACC country (Newkirk, Mostella) and that has been a total failure... and with the hiring of Smoke he is trying to get players from the midwest and THAT IS NOT GONNA WORK. Now, the latest thing, bringing in 5th year grad student players.. and that should work as far as filling out the roster with capable players BUT... it is a year to year thing and you are probably not gonna get players of the caliber of Robinson, Young and Artis as grad transfers.

The thing is, if Dixon is not able to fix this problem things are gonna collapse (at least as far as us being a yearly top 20 and NCAA Tourney team) come 17/18. All the current players will be gone and there are no replacements on the horizon.

I have stated this before... what he (and Barnes) SHOULD do... is re-establish our visibility on the east coast with yearly home and homes with UConn and Temple... one game a year against Cuse at MSG.... and probably another game each year at Barclays or whatever. But noooooooooooooooooooooo.

If Dixon fixes this problem some other way.... fine... but I will not be holding my breath.
 
Joe... when Dixon announced some time ago that THEY had gotten in touch with Nova and G'Town about home and home (but had gotten turned down)... I don't believe that meant that Dixon had talked on the phone with Boeheim and Thompson III... but rather... Dixon and Pederson had discussed the whole thing and it was Pederson on the phone with the Nova and G'Town ADs and they in turn discussed it with their coaches and it was then that those ADs told Pederson they were not interested.

(I don't have any first hand information on this and thus could be wrong but... that is the way it looks to me and... IMO that is the way it should be.)

Agreed.... that the head coach for all intents and purposes controls the schedule.... BUT... the AD is very involved also and can make a difference.... suggesting things to the head coach (like, lets talk to UConn) and maybe doing a better job of selling the home and home when he talks to the other ADs.

In this respect, IMO Steve Pederson was a total failure... both with the basketball program and the football program as well (particularly the hiring of 'Woody') and, despite the fact that he was a likable guy for sure, I am very happy that he is gone... and hoping that Barnes can have a MUCH more positive impact on the athletics than Pederson did.

But the BIG THING (and I believe we are not in disagreement here) is that, with the move to the ACC, our major recruitment area of NYC Metro, NJ and eastern PA, has DRIED UP... and Dixon has tried getting some players from ACC country (Newkirk, Mostella) and that has been a total failure... and with the hiring of Smoke he is trying to get players from the midwest and THAT IS NOT GONNA WORK. Now, the latest thing, bringing in 5th year grad student players.. and that should work as far as filling out the roster with capable players BUT... it is a year to year thing and you are probably not gonna get players of the caliber of Robinson, Young and Artis as grad transfers.

The thing is, if Dixon is not able to fix this problem things are gonna collapse (at least as far as us being a yearly top 20 and NCAA Tourney team) come 17/18. All the current players will be gone and there are no replacements on the horizon.

I have stated this before... what he (and Barnes) SHOULD do... is re-establish our visibility on the east coast with yearly home and homes with UConn and Temple... one game a year against Cuse at MSG.... and probably another game each year at Barclays or whatever. But noooooooooooooooooooooo.

If Dixon fixes this problem some other way.... fine... but I will not be holding my breath.
You are just guessing, Zara. Jamie has always had good relationships with Wright & JT3. Not sure he and Ollie are close at all. If Jamie used the word "they" it doesn't mean a thing.
We lost our touch in NY/NJ BEFORE the ACC thing. ACC schools have been recruiting in that area since the 1950's. And Barnes has NO history east of the Pecos.
The ACC hasn't hurt us one bit......we just haven't recruited well. Anywhere. As for the current team, there ARE replacements....Wilson & Manigault, with Slim Johnson & Luther likely still around. Nix might RS this year, bridging the classes a bit. If we nab a couple guards & a big or 2....we'll be OK. That's a big "if", though.
 
(I don't have any first hand information on this and thus could be wrong but... that is the way it looks to me and... IMO that is the way it should be.)

It might look that way to you, and that might be the way you think that it should be, but you are wrong. Because that isn't the way it actually is. Not here, and not at most big time basketball schools.

The AD sets the parameters and then the coach sets the schedule. Here, and at most other big time basketball schools.
 
Discerning clues based on incomplete information... is better than not having any clue at all.

THAT... is what you two do.
And you have a clue??? Locked up, somewhere, NEVER any evidence on this board.
 
Joe... when Dixon announced some time ago that THEY had gotten in touch with Nova and G'Town about home and home (but had gotten turned down)... I don't believe that meant that Dixon had talked on the phone with Boeheim and Thompson III... but rather... Dixon and Pederson had discussed the whole thing and it was Pederson on the phone with the Nova and G'Town ADs and they in turn discussed it with their coaches and it was then that those ADs told Pederson they were not interested.

(I don't have any first hand information on this and thus could be wrong but... that is the way it looks to me and... IMO that is the way it should be.)

Agreed.... that the head coach for all intents and purposes controls the schedule.... BUT... the AD is very involved also and can make a difference.... suggesting things to the head coach (like, lets talk to UConn) and maybe doing a better job of selling the home and home when he talks to the other ADs.

In this respect, IMO Steve Pederson was a total failure... both with the basketball program and the football program as well (particularly the hiring of 'Woody') and, despite the fact that he was a likable guy for sure, I am very happy that he is gone... and hoping that Barnes can have a MUCH more positive impact on the athletics than Pederson did.

But the BIG THING (and I believe we are not in disagreement here) is that, with the move to the ACC, our major recruitment area of NYC Metro, NJ and eastern PA, has DRIED UP... and Dixon has tried getting some players from ACC country (Newkirk, Mostella) and that has been a total failure... and with the hiring of Smoke he is trying to get players from the midwest and THAT IS NOT GONNA WORK. Now, the latest thing, bringing in 5th year grad student players.. and that should work as far as filling out the roster with capable players BUT... it is a year to year thing and you are probably not gonna get players of the caliber of Robinson, Young and Artis as grad transfers.

The thing is, if Dixon is not able to fix this problem things are gonna collapse (at least as far as us being a yearly top 20 and NCAA Tourney team) come 17/18. All the current players will be gone and there are no replacements on the horizon.

I have stated this before... what he (and Barnes) SHOULD do... is re-establish our visibility on the east coast with yearly home and homes with UConn and Temple... one game a year against Cuse at MSG.... and probably another game each year at Barclays or whatever. But noooooooooooooooooooooo.

If Dixon fixes this problem some other way.... fine... but I will not be holding my breath.

Zara, its not 1995 or heck, 2005 anymore. You keep overblowing the "loss of NE visibility" angle. These recruits are different now and they dont care about any of that. A top recruit from Connecticut just committed to play bball in the SEC, probably at UK or Florida right? Nope. Auburn. Millenials are different and this staff is going to need to figure out how to recruit them because I'm pretty sure that a game at MSG against Davidson.......or Temple or whoever isnt going to make them come flocking to us.

I mean we should play a home and home with a team from the American (UConn, Temple, Memphis, Cincy) but only because its good for the RPI and good for the fans but I doubt we're going to land any Philly kids simply because we played Temple. College bball recruiting is so different than college football recruiting, which is more about geographic turf.

And I'd agree with everybody else that the AD has very little to do with the men's basketball schedule.
 
I agree completely with the post above.
Scheduling a game with Temple, UConn, etc... should be to help improve our RPI not for visibility in the east. Yea maybe playing Temple (i.e.) could help for visibility a little but not much. Most games and most ACC games are on ESPN, 2, U, or 3. Recruits can watch Pitt play if they really want to.
Just saying....
 
As far as I am concerned.... the loss of visibility in the east coast.... had caused our major recruiting area to dry up and because of that, unless Jamie Dixon finds a way to fix this problem, the program is gonna collapse come 17/18 and, ya'll will be complaining that Dixon can't recruit and that he should be fired but... whichever way you look at it firing Dixon will NOT fix the problem.

In other words... as far as I am concerned.... you guys are refusing to see the writing on the all but are instead only interested in wallowing in your own preconceptions.

You are of course, entitled to your own opinions. You have my sympathies.
 
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