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OT: Airlines in the US for domestic travel

I've had a lot of issues with Southwest this past year.

Flew Delta last 2 times and they are ok....

United has actually been on the come up the last couple times imo
 
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I travel a lot domestically, fly on all the airlines. I hate to tell you this, but they all suck fairly close to equal, and who is better/worse changes every couple of years. Recently, I would mostly say American is the worst of the big ones. My current rankings would be something like this:
1. Delta
2. Southwest
3. United
4. American

A couple caveats:
Delta had been doing well then REALLY screwed the pooch with the CrowdStrike outage. If I can overlook one bad experience because of that, they are still probably the best currently.
Southwest is pretty good lately if you can deal with no assigned seats (and sometimes smaller leg room). Usually doesn't bother me on the assigned seats and I will normally buy the upgraded boarding, but once in a while I get tired of racing to the gate.

A lot of the discount airlines like Spirit, Frontier, you are rolling the dice and I would avoid even though sometimes they work out great. But of the smaller airlines, my current two favorites are Jet Blue and Allegiant, have had multiple good trips on each.
I could have written this reply, Mr. Boss. American is at the bottom of the heap for me; there have been too many strandings/problems for me to ever want to fly them again. The fact is that US Air (An airline I despised) merged with them is another reason to quit them.

Also, I agree with your comments on discount airlines.
 
I could have written this reply, Mr. Boss. American is at the bottom of the heap for me; there have been too many strandings/problems for me to ever want to fly them again. The fact is that US Air (An airline I despised) merged with them is another reason to quit them.

Also, I agree with your comments on discount airlines.
Yes, it's tough to beat Allegiant right now. This summer I flew non-stop from Pgh to Bradenton, FL for $96 roundtrip. Well, I split a full-size checked bag with Mrs. Pitt Boss so, along with her ticket, it was less than $250 for 2 people to go down & back. Did a similar thing in the Spring to Fort Walton Beach. Both times, the flights took off on time, bags made it there with us, no issues whatsoever.
 
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Yes, it's tough to beat Allegiant right now. This summer I flew non-stop from Pgh to Bradenton, FL for $96 roundtrip. Well, I split a full-size checked bag with Mrs. Pitt Boss so, along with her ticket, it was less than $250 for 2 people to go down & back. Did a similar thing in the Spring to Fort Walton Beach. Both times, the flights took off on time, bags made it there with us, no issues whatsoever.
There are some good small airlines. I get stuck with those that partner with AirNZ or Qantas to get back from NZ. Qantas is partnered with American so according to the responses here probably no different and possibly worse than United. Alaska Airlines is sometimes a choice so if timings and prices are similar I'll go with them.
I am really limited by connections within NZ. Only one airline is taking me to or from Invercargill. I could drive 2 hours to Queenstown but who wants to drive after 34 hours of planes and airports?

I could split up my ticket but extra bag checking and security screenings would be time consuming and painful.

I guess I need to just man-up and quit complaining.
 
Deregulation made travel cheaper but unbearable. There is zero doubt that banking, electric utility service and travel was better pre deregulation. I loved Ronald R. and supported these policies. You live and learn; well some of us do.
 
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United’s Premier Program is far superior to the rest in my opinion. Although I’m 1K so I get bumped up to first class a lot. But I love the United clubs at IAH.
 
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There are some good small airlines. I get stuck with those that partner with AirNZ or Qantas to get back from NZ. Qantas is partnered with American so according to the responses here probably no different and possibly worse than United. Alaska Airlines is sometimes a choice so if timings and prices are similar I'll go with them.
I am really limited by connections within NZ. Only one airline is taking me to or from Invercargill. I could drive 2 hours to Queenstown but who wants to drive after 34 hours of planes and airports?

I could split up my ticket but extra bag checking and security screenings would be time consuming and painful.

I guess I need to just man-up and quit complaining.
LOL....try GOL in South America. We were on a flight from Buenos Aires to Sao Paulo and the flight attendants start walking up and down the aisles spraying a lysol like substance at the overhead bins. My travel coworker who was European so he got the irony of Brazil and Argentina texts me from his seat...."first comes the showers.....................next comes the gas".

Think Boys From Brazil for reference.
 
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Yes, it's tough to beat Allegiant right now. This summer I flew non-stop from Pgh to Bradenton, FL for $96 roundtrip. Well, I split a full-size checked bag with Mrs. Pitt Boss so, along with her ticket, it was less than $250 for 2 people to go down & back. Did a similar thing in the Spring to Fort Walton Beach. Both times, the flights took off on time, bags made it there with us, no issues whatsoever.

Most dangerous airline. Ya that’s worth saving a few 100.00…


 
Deregulation made travel cheaper but unbearable. There is zero doubt that banking, electric utility service and travel was better pre deregulation. I loved Ronald R. and supported these policies. You live and learn; well some of us do.
Cheaper airline flights also helped create the airline vacation traveler boom, which is a curse for us business travelers. It never ceases to amaze me how long it now takes to board and exit a plane, and how many people just refuse to check luggage. These miscreants belong on a Greyhound bus.
 
Cheaper airline flights also helped create the airline vacation traveler boom, which is a curse for us business travelers. It never ceases to amaze me how long it now takes to board and exit a plane, and how many people just refuse to check luggage. These miscreants belong on a Greyhound bus.
I know people that always use carryon because they fear lost bags.

In my case and many others I travel with, we use carryon because it’s free on the big airlines while you have to pay for checked. If they let me check it for free like Southwest, I would check it most every time.
 
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They all suck. Need to go back to federally set pricing and ideally a federal mandate on leg room. Then let the airlines compete with those mandates.
I like a federal requirement on leg room, but honestly shoulder room bothers me the most. I am a tall guy too at 6-3, but damn my shoulders are about 6 inches wider than the 17 inches or whatever it is for shoulder width in the seats.

I understand there isn't much to be done for shoulder width for the existing fleet, but a wider width for future plane designs needs to happen now.
 
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Finally back home after 38 hours and four flights. The final leg was on a Bombardier Q300 tiny little prop plane. With high winds and thick clouds. Landed in a strong crosswind. Good way to end it!
 
I know people that always use carryon because they fear lost bags.

In my case and many others I travel with, we use carryon because it’s free on the big airlines while you have to pay for checked. If they let me check it for free like Southwest, I would check it most every time.
Do you gate check those? That alone would resolve so many problems with boarding and exiting if the airlines forced it.
 
Cheaper airline flights also helped create the airline vacation traveler boom, which is a curse for us business travelers. It never ceases to amaze me how long it now takes to board and exit a plane, and how many people just refuse to check luggage. These miscreants belong on a Greyhound bus.
Oh the friggin luggage whores. I said they should be charged for NOT paying to check luggage. I love the look of disdain and disgust by the flight attendants when a family of five boards with enough luggage to fill up a Macy's department and expect it all to fit in overheads.
 
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I like a federal requirement on leg room, but honestly shoulder room bothers me the most. I am a tall guy too at 6-3, but damn my shoulders are about 6 inches wider than the 17 inches or whatever it is for shoulder width in the seats.

I understand there isn't much to be done for shoulder width for the existing fleet, but a wider width for future plane designs needs to happen now.
You’re my people .
If the 3 of my family aren’t together , I’m mostly sitting with my shoulders titled to not be a “man spread “ type , since I have common courtesy .
I never expect legroom to be comfortable.
 
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Do you gate check those? That alone would resolve so many problems with boarding and exiting if the airlines forced it.
If I have a connection and they are offering free gate check due to limited overhead, then I usually will gate check them as they will stay checked through to my final destination. Saves me wheeling them around the connecting airport when I am trying to grab some food, fill my water bottle, etc.

If I have a nonstop flight or am in the final leg of a connection, then I try to keep them. There is no convenience value to me like in the above and saves me having to go to baggage claim.

I am talking about typically gate check where once you gate check the bag, you now have to go to baggage claim to retrieve. If you are talking a small plane where you gate check it, then retrieve it right in the jet bridge when deplaning, I don't mind doing that when it arises.
 
You’re my people .
If the 3 of my family aren’t together , I’m mostly sitting with my shoulders titled to not be a “man spread “ type , since I have common courtesy .
I never expect legroom to be comfortable.
Same. When I’m traveling with my family, I can take a row with my two daughters and all of us can have some marginal level of relative comfort. When that isn’t possible, I usually pay the piper and sit first class, which means my wife does too, which roughly triples the cost of most flights.

Flying today just sucks no matter how you slice it.
 
I like a federal requirement on leg room, but honestly shoulder room bothers me the most. I am a tall guy too at 6-3, but damn my shoulders are about 6 inches wider than the 17 inches or whatever it is for shoulder width in the seats.

I understand there isn't much to be done for shoulder width for the existing fleet, but a wider width for future plane designs needs to happen now.
Back in the days of pre-regulation. Airlines were guaranteed not to lose money as they were given monoply rights on certain routes so they did not need to compete. Then they charged whatever they needed to guarantee a profit. This made flying too expensive for most other than business travelers whose employers footed the cost as a business expense.

In those days I sometimes took late night flights since they were mostly empty with the aircraft being shuttled to the airport it needed to be at for the first next AM departure. You could fly first class at the coach fare on those mostly empty overnight/ late night aircraft shuttle flights and my employer would allow it since it was at the coach fare rate.

And, yes, there was much better leg room in coach and flights were less crowded. I appreciate that now since I now pay extra for xtra legroom aisle seats being that I am 6-2 and about 240.

Back then, the non-business travelers mostly went by train or bus or personal auto because airfares were too high for most of those travelers. Sucked for them but great for the business traveler. Amenities even included complimentary meals in coach even on relatively short flights.

Ahhh! The good old days. But, a return to that fully regulated status would not go over well with many of today's non-business flyers who would be forced back on to riding Greyhound busses!!
 
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Same. When I’m traveling with my family, I can take a row with my two daughters and all of us can have some marginal level of relative comfort. When that isn’t possible, I usually pay the piper and sit first class, which means my wife does too, which roughly triples the cost of most flights.

Flying today just sucks no matter how you slice it.

I try to get the exit row with more legroom. They now charge more for it but it's preferable to some dipshit relcining their seat into my tall frame.
 
I try to get the exit row with more legroom. They now charge more for it but it's preferable to some dipshit relcining their seat into my tall frame.
Yeah but like some others said the shoulder width is the biggest problem for me. The legroom is shitty even in the comfort-plus category but the shoulder width is uniformly terrible unless you’re in 1st class.
 
You’re my people .
If the 3 of my family aren’t together , I’m mostly sitting with my shoulders titled to not be a “man spread “ type , since I have common courtesy .
I never expect legroom to be comfortable.
As a Murphys law kind of thing, it's usually three guys like us sitting in a row together doing the same thing..... it never fails.
 
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It's funny when you see photos of flying in the 60's and 70's. It looked so elegant and classy then. Now, you might as well board one of those trains in India where people are climbing over everyone and falling off.
 
Air NZ partners with United for US domestic connections. So I get stuck with United for connecting flights. Occasionally get connected with Alaska Airlines and they seem ok. But my experience with United is uniformly terrible.
What are your favourite airlines for flying within the US? I will probably ditch Air NZ for traveling to the US if there is a better airline option. Delta and American have NZ flights and partners that fly to NZ. Are they any better than United?
Air NZ is great, but United for missed connections, lost baggage, terrible customer service just sucks. I'm hoping to never fly United again.
They all pretty much suck.
 
It's funny when you see photos of flying in the 60's and 70's. It looked so elegant and classy then. Now, you might as well board one of those trains in India where people are climbing over everyone and falling off.
Well-they also smoked -
Since it was pretty much exclusively business travelers
 
Spoiler alert. All of the airlines in the US suck. Every. Single. One. When I flew Lufthansa it was shocking how much better it was.
 
I’ve had my fair share of experiences when flying domestically in the US. Honestly, it can be a mixed bag. Some airlines, like Southwest and JetBlue, seem to get it right with customer service and those comfy seats. I’ve also flown American Airlines a bit, and they have decent options too, especially if you're looking for more flexible schedules.
 
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