OT: B12 survey
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Just another reason they will never get into ACC .
Well that and the fact that they play in Morgantown.
Just watch the Big East 30-30 ... No one wants to go there.
You cant even fly in unless your a horse fly.
Listen punk... obnoxious fans and low academics is exactly why WVU is on the outside looking in when it comes to the ACC. That's a fact. Be proud...
Louisville's entry was a strategic move to weaken the Big 12. They also bring more to the table than WVU; A TV market, an airport, a storied basketball program...
WVU brings nothing but a rude drunken fan base and the rest of the ACC know it... So keep your "sell out" stadium... The Sunbelt Conference is gonna love you..
didn't a few hoopies pull a pregnant woman and husband(BAYLOR) out of their car and beat the crap out of them ?
another proud moment for the toothless ones ... maybe they should use the "we are..toothless "
Nooooo. See, you have this all wrong. WVU refused the ACC because they knew the B12 would scrape the cream off the top of the ACC and render it irrelevant.
So sayeth the Dude.
You guys are right WVU doesn't have good enough athletics for the ACC!Let's see football 10-3 OK not very good by ACC standards?Men's BB 28-9,Sweet 16 again not good enough for ACC?Woman's BB 24-11,Big 12 Championship,NCAA tournament not very good by ACC standards?Baseball 36-26 ,NCAA tournament,again not up to ACC standards?Woman's soccer 23-2-2,National Champion Runner-up again they couldn't complete in the ACC? There's no way WVU could compete in the ACC.WOW and your right again that Bus trip from Clarksburg Airport to Morgantown is a killer,38 miles of interstate,that exhausting!
Oh, we didn't factor in the Clarksburg airport. Never mind.
Wow. I know it's bad there, but damn.
You still don't get it... If expansion had anything to do with record and attendance, WVU would have been chosen over Pitt and Syracuse. But they weren't were they? So the answer lays elsewhere....
Try again....
Well, that's easy. The answer would almost certainly be Pitt. At least that's what the ACC's research showed... which is why Pitt was chosen and West Virginia was not.
That's also almost certainly what the Big 12's research showed – which is why Pitt was invited to join that league before we declined and they were forced to settle for West Virginia.
I mean, this isn't rocket science. A whole bunch of really intelligent people whose livelihood depends on making multimillion dollar decisions all agreed that Pitt was a more valuable property than West Virginia. But don't take my word for it, just look at everyone's actions in two different conferences.
They gave us the definitive answer. That debate is over.
That's also almost certainly what the Big 12's research showed – which is why Pitt was invited to join that league before we declined and they were forced to settle for West Virginia.
I mean, this isn't rocket science. A whole bunch of really intelligent people whose livelihood depends on making multimillion dollar decisions all agreed that Pitt was a more valuable property than West Virginia. But don't take my word for it, just look at everyone's actions in two different conferences.
They gave us the definitive answer. That debate is over.
You guys are correct again Pitt is better than WVU in academics,athletics and the number of TVs in the houses!But you guys have to admit what WVU did in the major sports in 2016-7 was pretty impressive for a hick school?NCAA post season appearances in all four major sports and a NCAA runner up in woman's soccer!Plus I think they did OK in the money department in 2016.
WVU is dying to get into thr acc where they can make 15 million a year less suuuurrre
WVU would jump in a second if they could.
And BTW, stop sniffing the Dude's glue and don't even bring up the idiocy of "Tier 3" left over video rights being any sort of legit money.
WVU exit fee -$15M ($20M total, but $5M granted by B12, and $5 loaned to be repaid with 2-3% interest starting in 2016...which is about $0.5M they'll have to pay in interest)
2012-13 $10.4M
2013-14 <$14M
2014-15 $20.3M
2015-16 $28.0M
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WVU 4 year Net Conference payout ~$57.7M
2012-13 (BE) $10.2M
Pitt exit fee -7.5M
2013-14 $18.9M
2014-15 $25.0M
2015-16 $23.6M
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Pitt 4 year Net Conference payout ~$70.2M
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Seriously , Morgantown is the armpit of America for a reason.
Their women dont bath or care if your dental xrays show 2 Bucks .
Their women dont bath or care if your dental xrays show 2 Bucks .
...until 2024, at which point they go kaput. We all see the train coming. I don't know why you insist on ignoring it?
People can say whatever they want but we all know that West Virginia would trade places with Pitt in a New York second. And for good reason – Pitt is in a much, much more desirable position. Anyone who won't even acknowledge that obvious truth simply is not being honest with himself or herself.
These numbers are all true and well conceived. However, that's not even the main issue at play here. The main point is that Pitt has found itself in a significantly more stable environment than West Virginia.
I can't emphasize enough how incredibly stupid that conference was to not take Louisville (and Cincinnati) when it took West Virginia. That would've changed everything.
I also think West Virginia was positively moronic to not insist on having traveling partners. They had a lot more leverage than they apparently realized – especially if they'd gotten together with Louisville and partnered on a joint bid.
As it is now, they are isolated in a Great Plains/Texas based conference and there's really no good way for them to improve their situation. There has already been an embarrassing amount of public acrimony – they fight more publicly than the Trump cabinet – and it's only going to get worse – much, much worse.
I just think that ship is taking on too much water to stay afloat for very much longer. I think everyone is safe for now but once people start to see the finish line, that's going to devolve into a chaotic, nasty situation.
Absolutely, Pitt could be making $15M less and it still would be in a better position, even without the Network coming in 2019. And thank goodness, because it blew up one of its revenue sports and can't seem to get out of the way of the other.
Can't fault WVU though, they did what they had to do at the time. There was no way to anticipate a spot opening up in the ACC, and they couldn't have risked waiting even if they were able to. They didn't have leverage against the B12. The Big East wasn't viable after Pitt, Syracuse, and TCU left. The B12 wasn't going to add two or 3 more at that point...it was also reeling and Oklahoma and OSU were looking to leave so the conference couldn't take the strain of additions that didn't have support across most of the schools. WVU and Lousiville were pitted against each other in a death match, even engaging state political figures, vying for what was perceived as the last raft. That said, the B12 would be better off today if it had been able to take both WVU and Louisville, absolutely.
Regardless, even financially, when people actually take into account exit fees and partial payouts given by other conferences, Pitt and Cuse are likely to come out ahead of everyone else financially over the first decade or two of their new conference memberships if the ACC Network projections pan out.
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Paco I was just busting you a little about WVU.I always enjoy reading your writings on financial things pertaining to Pitt and other subjects.Personally I think Wvu would jump to the ACC if the opportunity presented itself but it won't.Wvu had a great 2016-7 athletic year but I'm affraid they won't duplicate it n 2017-8 so have to get my digs in now!At least the BB backyard brawl is backl
