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Pittsburgh has been blessed with its 1900 era immigrants from Europe, especially Italians and Eastern Europeans. Some of the Italian (old school Italian/American to be more exact) great red sauce houses that almost every town has. The biggest difference is basically is the red sauce sweet or tangy, and that is your personal preference. And Eastern European foods, you can get here as good as anywhere.

The Pittsburgh metro area has the smallest Latino population of any top 25 metro area. And the lack of quality Mexican restuarants show. Like I posted in the underrated thread, the best Mexican place is a taco stand in front of Las Palmas groceria in Beechview. It is really good and more importantly, it is really authentic. What we get here Mexican wise is some bastardized, almost chain worthy crap of Anglicanized Mexican food. Very uninteresting. I would even kill for just some damn good Tex Mex, and that is also not found here. So.....when you see people of the Latino descent moving in, don't be fearful, be happy. Because their food will follow them. This is where immigration and melting pots make places great to live, when their food and culture follows.

Which brings me to Chinese. Which again, is like saying "American" which is too broad. Saying "American" and then fitting Creole/Cajun, Southern, Midwestern, Cali, New England, etc...all of those is the same as saying "Chinese" because are that many and more regions and variations of Chinese food. What we get is an Americanized version of Chinese food. While yes, we all love our spicy, sweet General Tso's chicken, it is no way representative of Chinese food. The dearth of "real" Chinese food in Pittsburgh is scary. A lot of restaurants have their Chinese American menu, then have a real Chinese menu that is not publicized. My ex boss was Chinese, so I found this out by going to restaurants. We would make him order off the real menu. It is fantastic. The only real places are all in Squirrel Hill, I think. Especially Sichuan Gourmet. What sucks, is I, like most Pittsburghers, live in the suburbs. The suburbs of Pittsburgh is a veritable wasteland for cuisines like Chinese, Thai, Korean, Vietnamese, Latino, Mid East etc.... Just horrible, either chains or Americanized versions and dumbed down versions of these foods.

It pisses me off. I travel, so I see other cities of equal size or smaller, who have ethnic enclaves in different suburbs and have real, authentic representations of these types of foods located outside of the "city". I don't mind going into town occasionally, but man some evenings I would like the ability to quickly order take out that is interesting and not the same, instead of feeling like I am in Sioux City SD. The AK Valley, where I live, is probably the WORST of the suburban areas of Pittsburgh for anything but pizza, Italian, and chicken wings along with "old people food"..

So.....bring me you tired, your poor, your huddled masses, and bring me someone with a cuisine other than pizza and seasoned whole, chicken wings. On that note, you cannot even get a decent Buffalo style chicken wing in the AK Valley for chrissakes! The same type of foods that my parents grew up with, still dominate the local dining scene.

Us Route 28ers, we need to band together and start a revolution!
 
There was an authentic Mexican restaurant over in the Sharpsburg, Aetna, Aspinwall area 40 years ago. It was a little hole in the wall by some railroad tracks. Used to stop there for lunch while working ion the road. Had to ask for the special extra hot sauce. The general public couldn't handle it. Wonder if it is still there?
 
As usual recruits another Excellent post!! "Anglicanized" Mexican food phrase is soon on point. Did a little traveling in my day..and yes can't agree with you more...AKValley/Pittsburgh region don't have it in ethnic quality as there are outside of the confines of WPA. I 2nd. The call for the Route28ers to get together and start the revolt.....When is the first meeting?? Htp/Forever!!!!
 
edgar's taco stand in front of Reyna's in the strip, real deal. Also I have heard but never tried China Star in McIntyre square North Hills is pretty authentic
 
good post as well, but what is the AK valley? I never heard of that.

Mallorca I went to several times, it is Spanish, but really has good mexican too. I have not been there though in over 4 years, so not sure if it is still good.
 
AK valley is short for communities in northern Allegheny county....Tarentum,Natrona Hgts.,Brackenridge/Harrison township, New ken/Arnold,Lower Burrell, etc....all surrounding areas. these community's border the upper Allegheny river (new.ken/arnold/lower Burrell on Westmoreland county side) Nothing against Freeport..I don't include them as AK valley members when referring to said AK valley area. Htp/Forever!!!
 
Spot on with China Star

China Star has the "authentic" menu, which I have tried on a few occasions. It's very good.
 
Originally posted by CCHS-74:
There was an authentic Mexican restaurant over in the Sharpsburg, Aetna, Aspinwall area 40 years ago. It was a little hole in the wall by some railroad tracks. Used to stop there for lunch while working ion the road. Had to ask for the special extra hot sauce. The general public couldn't handle it. Wonder if it is still there?
We used to go there back in the late 1970's, or maybe the early 1980's? I think it was called "The Taco House" or "The Taco Hut". These tacos weren't anything like what's being called a taco today: spiced ground beef, with maybe a bit of shredded cheese, in a corn shell. And the "chili" was almost like soup....they'd give you a bowl of some unknown hot sauce, and a half-teaspoon of it in the chili would make my nose run. That was just about everything that was on their limited menu.

It was run by a family of Mexicans, and we'd watch the old ladies in the back kitchen throwing the tacos together.

They didn't have a liquor license, so everyone would bring-in a six-pack. I'd see area high school guys bring-in a case, set it on the floor next to them, and order dozens of tacos. And they'd sit there and eat and drink for an hour or so - never any trouble, they were well behaved and everyone got along.

I don't think it's been there for a long time. And yeah, it was small...maybe 6-8 (small) tables max?
 
For Mexican Casa Rasta also in Beechview. Follow the T tracks towards Dormont. On same side of street as you go around last bend. If you blink you might miss it.
 
Las Palmas is now also in Oakland...

on Atwood. That have the store and taco stand.

Nak Won Garden next to Market District on Center Ave is good and appears to be authentic. I have never been to Korea, but when my wife and I were the only white folks in the place of all Korean students, I think that is a sign it's the real deal.

As you said, Sichuan Gourmet in Squirrel Hill seems to be the real deal.

Jozsa Corna in Hazelwood is the real deal for Hungarian food. You feel like you are eating in some basement in Hungary.
 
Given that I'm roughly half Mexican, I feel qualified to say that Mexican food in Pittsburgh is terrible. I think the main reason is there really aren't that many legit, first generation Mexicans in the area. Contrast this to Chicago where I live now, and great Mexican food is everywhere given the extrememly large Mexican population in this city (though not as good as California, Texas or Arizona).

As for Chinese, I'll admit that I've never had "real" Chinese food, but I love the Americanized version and I often find myself lamenting how poor the options are in Chicago. I haven't found one place in the entire city I feel is better than China Palace in Shadyside or even Seasame Inn during my 10 years here.

If you travel to Chicago a lot and can recommend a good Chinese restaurant (I don't count the stupid expensive ones downtown...I'm looking for someplace I'd eat more frequently), lay it on me.
 
there is also a Las Palmas taco stand on Atwood St in Oakland, I ate there frequently as an undergrad. There is some solid Asian food in Pittsburgh, its not New York or San Francisco but it's better than a lot of places. Korea Garden, Oishii Bento, and Spice Island in Oakland are all pretty decent. As you mentioned Sichuan Gourmet in Squirrel Hill is probably the best Chinese food around. What Pittsburgh really lacks is a dim sum place.
 
Out in Seattle got taken to a hole in the wall Thai reataurant....... Wow!! The best I ever had ate stuff that was beyond culinary terms , oh I wish it was here.
 
In squirrel hill there was a Thai restaurant called lemongrass. By far the best authentic ethnic food I had. I have no idea if it still exists. It was on the 2nd floor near dairy queen
 
There is decent Mexican in the burgh, Chinese food not so much...

Like you said, the tacos at Las Palmas in Brookline are very good. Pgh Taco truck and LA Taco truck are dishing out some good street food. Casa Rasta in Beechview has some interesting dishes like tongue & oxtail. I'm a big fan of that spot. Casa Reyna below the Reyna's grocery store is serving some quality Mexican cuisine, definitely better than Patron and those garbage chains. As for chicken wings, to me Mad Mex San Fran style wings are the best in town!
 
There used to be a Mexican restaurant across from this place I lived in the south side.. It was all the way down on 28th and Jane (Across from Cupkas 1).. This was about 12+ years ago.. Anyways, dumpy place but they had real authentic Mexican food.. I'd go get a burrito / taco expecting your typical "Chi Chi's" type and it was very different, much smaller but damn good.. Forget the name of the place, it was BYOB and was so different from the usual slop of what you'd expect from Mexican... You know where they just throw a bunch of crap on a place, top it with cheese and throw it in the oven...
 
Originally posted by CCHS-74:
There was an authentic Mexican restaurant over in the Sharpsburg, Aetna, Aspinwall area 40 years ago. It was a little hole in the wall by some railroad tracks. Used to stop there for lunch while working ion the road. Had to ask for the special extra hot sauce. The general public couldn't handle it. Wonder if it is still there?
The Taco Shop!!! Oh my goodness, it closed almost 30 years ago, but was spectacular. The hot sot was ABSURD. They cooked everything in lard and it made the tacos spectacular.
 
Originally posted by Slick Manager of Champs:
edgar's taco stand in front of Reyna's in the strip, real deal. Also I have heard but never tried China Star in McIntyre square North Hills is pretty authentic

China Star, if you order off the chinese menu, is pretty darn good.
 
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19690906&id=gc1RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0GwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5054,1284743&hl=en

This is an old archived article on the Taco Shop in Etna.
 
Re: There is decent Mexican in the burgh, Chinese food not so much...

Originally posted by jcpitt:
Like you said, the tacos at Las Palmas in Brookline are very good. Pgh Taco truck and LA Taco truck are dishing out some good street food. Casa Rasta in Beechview has some interesting dishes like tongue & oxtail. I'm a big fan of that spot. Casa Reyna below the Reyna's grocery store is serving some quality Mexican cuisine, definitely better than Patron and those garbage chains. As for chicken wings, to me Mad Mex San Fran style wings are the best in town!
The tacos are great. I recommend the linqua (beef tongue, I am serious) and they are properly dressed with just onions, cilantro and a lime. You can add your own choices of salsa. But there is no lettuce, tomatoe and cheese.
 
The problem with real Mexican food for Americans is the tortillas. Corn tortillas is a much different taste than we have become accustomed to with flour tortillas.

Americans would be better off with choripan.
 
Odd interpretation since the Kiski River enters the Allegheny NORTH of Freeport? Generally Leechburg, Apollo, Vandergrift and Freeport are all considered part of the A-K Valley.

Doesn't really mean anything one way or the other.
 
Your right Freeport...I should of included All those community's . . And it does matter ...my bad!! Htp/Forever!!!
 
Originally posted by drunkinoakland:
Pgh were was Cupkas 1 and why I'd it now Cupkas II?

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Cupka's 1 (not sure if it's called "1" or just Cupkas) is a bar on the corner of 27th and Jane (or very close). Dive little neighborhood bar, nothing really worth going too. Actually believe it or not, they have a kitchen and actually good pizza but again, not worth the trip. If you are over that way and want pizza, Michaels' is a better divey bar with great white pizza.. Regardless, Cupka's 2 is a million times better..

I was there once, watching a MNF game with the steelers and Raiders, opening game. Two of the biggest yinzers get into a fight over a 20 dollar bill, of course im at the stool where they start fighting, these two are literally on my back trying to kill each other.. Last time I went in there..
 
I love Cupkas II and the Pitt gear the have plus the overall yinzer-ness cracks me up. Always wanted why it was called Cupkas II. I just assumed 1 had burned down.
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Originally posted by Pghfan:

Originally posted by drunkinoakland:
Pgh were was Cupkas 1 and why I'd it now Cupkas II?


Posted from Rivals Mobile
Cupka's 1 (not sure if it's called "1" or just Cupkas) is a bar on the corner of 27th and Jane (or very close). Dive little neighborhood bar, nothing really worth going too. Actually believe it or not, they have a kitchen and actually good pizza but again, not worth the trip. If you are over that way and want pizza, Michaels' is a better divey bar with great white pizza.. Regardless, Cupka's 2 is a million times better..

I was there once, watching a MNF game with the steelers and Raiders, opening game. Two of the biggest yinzers get into a fight over a 20 dollar bill, of course im at the stool where they start fighting, these two are literally on my back trying to kill each other.. Last time I went in there..
That's great. And it has nothing to do with my thread. Pittsburgh and its suburbs are not shot on Cupkas type of places. And that is good. Just.....some of us like other types of foods besides your Pittsburgh standards.
 
Originally posted by recruitsreadtheseboards:

Originally posted by Pghfan:


Originally posted by drunkinoakland:
Pgh were was Cupkas 1 and why I'd it now Cupkas II?



Posted from Rivals Mobile
Cupka's 1 (not sure if it's called "1" or just Cupkas) is a bar on the corner of 27th and Jane (or very close). Dive little neighborhood bar, nothing really worth going too. Actually believe it or not, they have a kitchen and actually good pizza but again, not worth the trip. If you are over that way and want pizza, Michaels' is a better divey bar with great white pizza.. Regardless, Cupka's 2 is a million times better..

I was there once, watching a MNF game with the steelers and Raiders, opening game. Two of the biggest yinzers get into a fight over a 20 dollar bill, of course im at the stool where they start fighting, these two are literally on my back trying to kill each other.. Last time I went in there..
That's great. And it has nothing to do with my thread. Pittsburgh and its suburbs are not shot on Cupkas type of places. And that is good. Just.....some of us like other types of foods besides your Pittsburgh standards.
take it easy, I mentioned it because there was an authentic Mexican place across the street from Cupkas.. Dude asked me where it was and I answered.... Everyone talks about these "authentic" places to eat and how bad the chains are, Americanized food... Yet what kind of places are making the money and what kind of establishments are going away?? Dardens restaurants recently released their quarterly earnings of over 1.5 billion dollars, what kind of money is your authentic cuisine establishments making?

Maybe this "Americanized" garbage isn't all that bad or are these owners just enamored by the store front brookline blvd shopping district??
 
Originally posted by 9nationalchampionships:


Thai Cuisine in Bloomfield is good. BYOB
I agree. That place is outstanding

I would also suggest Pusadee on Butler street. They have a nice outdoor garden. Summer evening outdoor dining is very nice.
 
Yeah recruits, you went simple jack on us.

He mentioned Cupkas which piqued my interest. I then asked a question about it because I was curious and saw an opportunity to have my question answered.
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Originally posted by Pghfan:

Originally posted by recruitsreadtheseboards:


Originally posted by Pghfan:



Originally posted by drunkinoakland:
Pgh were was Cupkas 1 and why I'd it now Cupkas II?




Posted from Rivals Mobile
Cupka's 1 (not sure if it's called "1" or just Cupkas) is a bar on the corner of 27th and Jane (or very close). Dive little neighborhood bar, nothing really worth going too. Actually believe it or not, they have a kitchen and actually good pizza but again, not worth the trip. If you are over that way and want pizza, Michaels' is a better divey bar with great white pizza.. Regardless, Cupka's 2 is a million times better..

I was there once, watching a MNF game with the steelers and Raiders, opening game. Two of the biggest yinzers get into a fight over a 20 dollar bill, of course im at the stool where they start fighting, these two are literally on my back trying to kill each other.. Last time I went in there..
That's great. And it has nothing to do with my thread. Pittsburgh and its suburbs are not shot on Cupkas type of places. And that is good. Just.....some of us like other types of foods besides your Pittsburgh standards.
take it easy, I mentioned it because there was an authentic Mexican place across the street from Cupkas.. Dude asked me where it was and I answered.... Everyone talks about these "authentic" places to eat and how bad the chains are, Americanized food... Yet what kind of places are making the money and what kind of establishments are going away?? Dardens restaurants recently released their quarterly earnings of over 1.5 billion dollars, what kind of money is your authentic cuisine establishments making?

Maybe this "Americanized" garbage isn't all that bad or are these owners just enamored by the store front brookline blvd shopping district??
And again, if you read my original post, I said "everyone likes General Tsos" so do I. But my god, how many "Chinese" places do you need with the same menu? How many bar food places do you need? Pizza? Etc...

I never want to hear "most popular" equated with "best". That is not true in anything, in movies, in TV shows, in music, I mean McDonald's is the most popular restaurant in the world. Is it the best? No. Occasionally is it great for a quarter pounder meal? Sure. Especially on the run. But do you want your world to be filled with these places, Pizza Huts and Subways, Applebees and force out all the real, solo, non chain restaurants? If you answer yes then you are a complete idiot.

My point, especially in the suburbs, we need more ethnic foods besides Italian, Americanized Chinese and Pizza joints. You don't think so?
 
And again, if you read my original post, I said "everyone likes General Tsos" so do I. But my god, how many "Chinese" places do you need with the same menu? How many bar food places do you need? Pizza? Etc...

I never want to hear "most popular" equated with "best". That is not true in anything, in movies, in TV shows, in music, I mean McDonald's is the most popular restaurant in the world. Is it the best? No. Occasionally is it great for a quarter pounder meal? Sure. Especially on the run. But do you want your world to be filled with these places, Pizza Huts and Subways, Applebees and force out all the real, solo, non chain restaurants? If you answer yes then you are a complete idiot.

My point, especially in the suburbs, we need more ethnic foods besides Italian, Americanized Chinese and Pizza joints. You don't think so?
Of course I do, I was just mad at you for snapping at me..
 
Am I the only one here that eats at Rose Tea Cafe in Squirrel Hill? Best noodles around, and you want to talk "ethnic", that Taiwanese menu can be quite exciting, and dangerous if you don't have a clue...
 
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