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OT: Decent Article about B12 Louisville/WVU decision

Oops - Looks like this could be merged with the other recent post about big12..
 
WVU wanted into the ACC first and foremost. I think they tried the B1G too. But the ACC and B1G weren't interested. I don't think they brought enough TV's for the B1G's taste and while academics were an issue for the ACC, I think a lot of schools just didn't want them. Probably has to do with all of the success WVU has had in picking kids out of ACC recruiting territory (particularly Florida) over the years.
 
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It's interesting to think what would have happened had Ville gotten the Big 12(-2)'s invite. I tend to agree with whomever was quoted in that piece that WVU would have gotten into the ACC after MD bolted. I think Clemson and FSU, hot off the rumors of them bolting to the Big 12(-2) would have pushed for a football school. Couple that with BC not wanting UConn and Pitt probably pushing for a natural rival, I think WVU would be in. I wonder if this would have caused the divisions to be adjusted. Perhaps GA Tech to the Atlantic for incoming WVU. With all that being said, I think the ACC made out like bandits in this whole ordeal.
 
WVU wasn't gettin in the ACC. They would have taken UConn. BC doesn't have that kind of clout.
 
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At the time though, there would have been enormous pressure to take a football school instead of UConn. WVU could very well have gotten in.
 
WVU wasn't gettin in the ACC. They would have taken UConn. BC doesn't have that kind of clout.

There were vague reports that the ACC originally wanted Syracuse and UCONN but BC did in fact block the huskies. So they moved forward with Pitt/Syracuse.

IMO, WVU would have slipped in as Maryland's replacement. I think the decision making power had shifted to football interests and appeasing FSU/Clemson would have been priority.
 
I can tell you from Louisville's perspective that when WVU got the invitation to the Big XII, Louisville was given a verbal agreement that it would be team #11 and would be added to the Big XII as soon as a suitable 12th member could be identified.

You may recall that, about 6-8 months after WVU was invited, there were several stories about FSU losing money in the ACC and being unhappy with their current situation in the ACC. The fact that those stories surfaced at that time was no coincidence - it was FSU's way of gauging its fan base's allegiance to the ACC. Why was FSU doing that? Because they were being recruited by the Big XII to switch conferences as the team the Big XII was targeting to join Louisville as the conference's 11th and 12th teams.

What FSU determined from that "leak" is pretty obvious - the fan base preferred staying in the ACC over any other option.
 
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Initially, WVU's academics was seen as a non-starter when SU and Pitt were added. Once Maryland left, survival was the key so academics went out the window and the best athletic program was all that mattered, hence the Louisville addition. I guess if WVU was around at that point they may have been admitted to the ACC as they would have been the strongest remaining football program.
 
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WVU wasn't gettin in the ACC. They would have taken UConn. BC doesn't have that kind of clout.

You're right by themselves they didn't and still don't. However all reports indicated that Clemson and FSU wanted to beef up football hence Lville over UConn or Cincy despite concerns about academics. Had Ville gone to the Big 12, it's just as likely academics would have been thrown out the window in WVU's favor over UConn or Cincy. Still it's a fun game of "what if."

Another one is what if when Pitt was being courted by the Big 12, WVU and Ville had gone with them as a package deal. That would have been interesting to say the least.
 
Despite all of the rumors of the ACC's demise, the conference played this all very well.

I still recall the WVU guys coming over here and telling us that it was over any day and that Pitt would end up as the odd man out when all of the bodies fell. That worm really turned.
Remember O Luck trying to spin that WVU wanted Pitt in the B12 as if he would save us?
What organization is he driving to ruin now?
 
The need to constantly placate Texas has created a gross imbalance in the Big 12. That is also led to a lot of resentment of that school by just about everyone else in that league.

That league, like the Big East before it, is doomed.

Really, it's a good look at what likely would've happened in the Northeast had Paterno gotten his way when he wanted to form an all sports conference.

It was a great idea in theory but the terms that he was insisting on would have only worked for one program: Penn State. That would not have worked over the long haul.

That said, Texas is not the Big 12's biggest issue. Their biggest issues are that they are both delusional and shortsighted.

Anyone with a basic understanding of demographics and how that impacts things like television viewership could've told you that Florida State and Clemson were never going to the Big 12.

Ever.

Well, let me couch that. They were not going to the Big 12 provided it and the ACC were constituted in their current configurations. If other pillars like North Carolina and Virginia were to leave then of course all bets would have been off.

However, because that wasn't happening, it was very obvious how things were going to go. I understand that the message boards and even some traditional media outlets were rife with phony math "proving" at the ACC was doomed but none of it ever made any sense.

When I would read those accounts I would look at it like, "Well, this writer clearly doesn't understand the rules of engagement here."

Oddly, it seems that there were a lot of people inside the Big 12 who also bought that garbage and that mistake absolutely killed them.

To me, the question should never have been Louisville or West Virginia; it should have been Louisville AND West Virginia PLUS a 12th school. Cincinnati – which seems to be the overwhelming favorite now – made the most sense than too.

I will always believe that had the Big 12 taken West Virginia, Louisville, and Cincinnati, they would be in a very different place right now.

Also, had they made that choice, Connecticut would likely be in the ACC right now as Maryland's replacement.
 
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Really, the tip off for how this was likely to play out came from Pitt of all schools.

A lot of people may not know this or may have already forgotten it. However, at the end of the Big East football conference's lifespan, the league was a complete mess.

As is the case with the Big 12 now, and the Southwest Conference before it, the writing was on the wall.

It is a very long and complex story but basically the basketball schools, in an effort to hold the conference together, were trying to force Villanova to play FBS football even though the Wildcats did not really want to play (read: spend) at that level.

The result was this goofy scenario in which Villanova would play in an 18,500 seat soccer stadium located a half hour from its campus. Also, Villanova had no plans to upgrade either it's recruiting budget or it's facilities.

It was a HORRIBLE plan and I think it, more than anything else, served as the death knell for the conference.

Pitt, West Virginia and Rutgers basically said, "Oh, hell no!" Those three schools basically blocked the whole plan.

That's when all three of those schools – as well as a few others – began openly flirting with other conferences.

I've been pretty critical of Steve Pederson - and rightly so. However, I do credit him for being able to read the writing on the wall.

I don't think he was responsible for getting us into the ACC but he was responsible for getting our name out there is a program that could be had if the right opportunity were to come along. He deserves full credit for that much.

At the same time, the big 12 is falling apart and it needed to reconfigure. Their first phone call was to South Bend, Indiana. However, there next to vocals were to Fayetteville, Arkansas and to Pittsburgh. They wanted to gauge each of our interest.

Unsurprisingly, Notre Dame told them they were fine as an Indie and Arkansas indicated that it would rather stay in the SEC.

However, Pitt continued to flirt with the Big 12 and even began to work with other schools about joining the conference as a collective.

That was a very good idea and it is one of the other schools should have followed when Pitt dropped out.

I know someone who was at least tangentially involved in those informal conversations and the talk was Pitt, West Virginia and Rutgers joining the Big 12. Honestly, Pitt was ready to do it but the other two schools were not.

Rutgers sensed that it might have an opportunity in the Big Ten so they chose not to pursue that option. As it turns out, they were right.

Conversely, West Virginia, and later Louisville, each thought they had opportunities to go to the SEC. They were wrong.

However, I do know for a fact that Pitt made it very clear to the Big 12 but it was unwilling to join the conference by itself. It did not want to become an outlier in the way West Virginia ultimately did.

However, when the ACC came around, Pitt dropped the Big 12 like a hot potato. The person I mentioned earlier once told me that Pitt negotiated with the ACC for about three weeks before making their announcement.

That's incredible! That's also why they were able to keep it under wraps. It happened so fast that it didn't have time to leak out. I think that entire affair probably built a lot of trust between the ACC and Pitt and Syracuse. Every single party kept their mouths shut – and that is highly unusual and extremely impressive.

John Marinatto, the Big East's commissioner at the time, literally found out about the defections while he was sitting in the press box at Byrd Stadium in College Park, Maryland getting ready for a Maryland versus West Virginia football game.

That is cold blooded but so was this business.

Think about how incompetent you have to be to have two of your most important members negotiating to leave and you have no earthly clue. That's not on Pitt and Syracuse, that's on Marinatto and the Big East.

It's an incredible story new matter how you look at it.
 
Really, the tip off for how this was likely to play out came from Pitt of all schools.

A lot of people may not know this or may have already forgotten it. However, at the end of the Big East football conference's lifespan, the league was a complete mess.

As is the case with the Big 12 now, and the Southwest Conference before it, the writing was on the wall.

It is a very long and complex story but basically the basketball schools, in an effort to hold the conference together, were trying to force Villanova to play FBS football even though the Wildcats did not really want to play (read: spend) at that level.

The result was this goofy scenario in which Villanova would play in an 18,500 seat soccer stadium located a half hour from its campus. Also, Villanova had no plans to upgrade either it's recruiting budget or it's facilities.

It was a HORRIBLE plan and I think it, more than anything else, served as the death knell for the conference.

Pitt, West Virginia and Rutgers basically said, "Oh, hell no!" Those three schools basically blocked the whole plan.

That's when all three of those schools – as well as a few others – began openly flirting with other conferences.

I've been pretty critical of Steve Pederson - and rightly so. However, I do credit him for being able to read the writing on the wall.

I don't think he was responsible for getting us into the ACC but he was responsible for getting our name out there is a program that could be had if the right opportunity were to come along. He deserves full credit for that much.

At the same time, the big 12 is falling apart and it needed to reconfigure. Their first phone call was to South Bend, Indiana. However, there next to vocals were to Fayetteville, Arkansas and to Pittsburgh. They wanted to gauge each of our interest.

Unsurprisingly, Notre Dame told them they were fine as an Indie and Arkansas indicated that it would rather stay in the SEC.

However, Pitt continued to flirt with the Big 12 and even began to work with other schools about joining the conference as a collective.

That was a very good idea and it is one of the other schools should have followed when Pitt dropped out.

I know someone who was at least tangentially involved in those informal conversations and the talk was Pitt, West Virginia and Rutgers joining the Big 12. Honestly, Pitt was ready to do it but the other two schools were not.

Rutgers sensed that it might have an opportunity in the Big Ten so they chose not to pursue that option. As it turns out, they were right.

Conversely, West Virginia, and later Louisville, each thought they had opportunities to go to the SEC. They were wrong.

However, I do know for a fact that Pitt made it very clear to the Big 12 but it was unwilling to join the conference by itself. It did not want to become an outlier in the way West Virginia ultimately did.

However, when the ACC came around, Pitt dropped the Big 12 like a hot potato. The person I mentioned earlier once told me that Pitt negotiated with the ACC for about three weeks before making their announcement.

That's incredible! That's also why they were able to keep it under wraps. It happened so fast that it didn't have time to leak out. I think that entire affair probably built a lot of trust between the ACC and Pitt and Syracuse. Every single party kept their mouths shut – and that is highly unusual and extremely impressive.

John Marinatto, the Big East's commissioner at the time, literally found out about the defections while he was sitting in the press box at Byrd Stadium in College Park, Maryland getting ready for a Maryland versus West Virginia football game.

That is cold blooded but so was this business.

Think about how incompetent you have to be to have two of your most important members negotiating to leave and you have no earthly clue. That's not on Pitt and Syracuse, that's on Marinatto and the Big East.

It's an incredible story new matter how you look at it.

Although the writing was not just on the wall, but also in a letter Nordenberg had sent a year prior to the Big East president's council announcing that Pitt would pursue other opportunities if they presented themselves. So while the ACC invite came out of the blue itself, the intentions of Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, et al, were abundantly clear to everyone in the Big East during that last year. When you get a letter like that (and at the time Pitt was arguably the most powerful school, politically, in the Big East), it is over. The life rafts were being lowered.

And if you really payed close attention to the public comments that were made by Pitt regarding the Big East, there was a subtle shift, and if you astutely follow such things one could tell something was up well in advance of even the Big 12 flirtation and the prior Big Ten discussion rumors. But most people don't pay attention, they want Oliver Luck-like idiotic public pronouncements that serve no purpose but to get press for individual who is making them. I had also heard at some point that Pederson was also in Greensboro pitching Pitt to the ACC many months before the story broke...so I believe Pitt was being very proactive....well behind the scenes...where such things should stay.
 
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There were vague reports that the ACC originally wanted Syracuse and UCONN but BC did in fact block the huskies. So they moved forward with Pitt/Syracuse.

IMO, WVU would have slipped in as Maryland's replacement. I think the decision making power had shifted to football interests and appeasing FSU/Clemson would have been priority.
Reports from Eersports =/= legitimate reports.
 
Remember O Luck trying to spin that WVU wanted Pitt in the B12 as if he would save us?
What organization is he driving to ruin now?
To ruin? Oliver Luck did a fantastic job for WVU. He got them a spot in the B12 that they shouldn't have gotten and otherwise they would have been stuck in G5. They would be the ones praying for inclusion in B12 expansion right now.
 
Reports from Eersports =/= legitimate reports.

That is UConn's favorite narrative too, because the truth is worse than believing BC wields veto power in the ACC, which is flat out laughable. But certainly on this matter BC was aligned with the block of the ACC... FSU, Clemson, GT and possibly NCSU...that wanted to more emphasis on strengthening football as part of the ACC's move to secure the eastern seaboard. This was and is still now UConn's problem: football.
 
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To ruin? Oliver Luck did a fantastic job for WVU. He got them a spot in the B12 that they shouldn't have gotten and otherwise they would have been stuck in G5. They would be the ones praying for inclusion in B12 expansion right now.

I can't imagine a scenario where WVU wouldn't have gotten Maryland's spot in the ACC if Louisville had first gone into the B12. FSU and Clemson, who were driving the show on expansion at that point, and would never have settled for UConn over WVU. If you are going to dip into the gutter with Louisville for the sake of football, WVU is no worse, no matter the historic issues it has had with the original ACC members.

That said, there is no way for WVU to have predicted that and Luck did what he had to do to ensure WVU's survival. But he should have jumped moving to the B12 with Pitt and one of Louisville or Rutgers instead of holding out for an SEC pipedream. Lucky for Pitt the B12 group invite didn't come together.

And Pitt was absolutely operating with the idea of trying to bring WVU and Rutgers with them...the two schools it was in lockstep with in the Big East. Pitt recommended both as additions to the ACC when it got its won invite. That was even publicly stated.
 
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I definitely agree that West Virginia would have gotten the invite that ultimately went to Louisville had the Cardinals been chosen by the Big 12.

As others have said, if you're going to hold your nose and take Louisville, you can do the same with West Virginia.

There is no way they would've chosen Connecticut over West Virginia if their aim was to strengthen the football side of the conference.

However, I also agree that there is no way Luck could've possibly predicted that Maryland was getting ready to leave the ACC for the B1G. He did what he had to do.

BTW, speaking strictly from a Pitt perspective, I wish that the Big 12 had done the smart thing and taken Louisville. I would much rather play West Virginia every year than Syracuse. I'd like to play both of those schools every year.

However, from an ACC perspective, it couldn't have worked out better.
 
WVU wanted into the ACC first and foremost. I think they tried the B1G too. But the ACC and B1G weren't interested. I don't think they brought enough TV's for the B1G's taste and while academics were an issue for the ACC, I think a lot of schools just didn't want them. Probably has to do with all of the success WVU has had in picking kids out of ACC recruiting territory (particularly Florida) over the years.

Did the ACC make the right decision now that it has come out w/ Louisville spending more on sports per student than any college w/ their pitiful academics and the scumbag football and bball coaches they have and their president forced to resign because of all of the above??

Oh... Louisville is ranked #360 in the WSJ top-500 colleges. WVU is #353. I call bullshit it was about academics.

Face it... Louisville and UNC are just benefitting because of the current laissez faire attitude of the NCAA. In any other decade they both would be candidates for death penalty.
 
I don't believe anything about expansion regarding Pitt, WVU, ACC, Big 12 and how everything will shape out unless The Dude says it.
 
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Really, the tip off for how this was likely to play out came from Pitt of all schools.

A lot of people may not know this or may have already forgotten it. However, at the end of the Big East football conference's lifespan, the league was a complete mess.

As is the case with the Big 12 now, and the Southwest Conference before it, the writing was on the wall.

It is a very long and complex story but basically the basketball schools, in an effort to hold the conference together, were trying to force Villanova to play FBS football even though the Wildcats did not really want to play (read: spend) at that level.

The result was this goofy scenario in which Villanova would play in an 18,500 seat soccer stadium located a half hour from its campus. Also, Villanova had no plans to upgrade either it's recruiting budget or it's facilities.

It was a HORRIBLE plan and I think it, more than anything else, served as the death knell for the conference.

Pitt, West Virginia and Rutgers basically said, "Oh, hell no!" Those three schools basically blocked the whole plan.

That's when all three of those schools – as well as a few others – began openly flirting with other conferences.

I've been pretty critical of Steve Pederson - and rightly so. However, I do credit him for being able to read the writing on the wall.

I don't think he was responsible for getting us into the ACC but he was responsible for getting our name out there is a program that could be had if the right opportunity were to come along. He deserves full credit for that much.

At the same time, the big 12 is falling apart and it needed to reconfigure. Their first phone call was to South Bend, Indiana. However, there next to vocals were to Fayetteville, Arkansas and to Pittsburgh. They wanted to gauge each of our interest.

Unsurprisingly, Notre Dame told them they were fine as an Indie and Arkansas indicated that it would rather stay in the SEC.

However, Pitt continued to flirt with the Big 12 and even began to work with other schools about joining the conference as a collective.

That was a very good idea and it is one of the other schools should have followed when Pitt dropped out.

I know someone who was at least tangentially involved in those informal conversations and the talk was Pitt, West Virginia and Rutgers joining the Big 12. Honestly, Pitt was ready to do it but the other two schools were not.

Rutgers sensed that it might have an opportunity in the Big Ten so they chose not to pursue that option. As it turns out, they were right.

Conversely, West Virginia, and later Louisville, each thought they had opportunities to go to the SEC. They were wrong.

However, I do know for a fact that Pitt made it very clear to the Big 12 but it was unwilling to join the conference by itself. It did not want to become an outlier in the way West Virginia ultimately did.

However, when the ACC came around, Pitt dropped the Big 12 like a hot potato. The person I mentioned earlier once told me that Pitt negotiated with the ACC for about three weeks before making their announcement.

That's incredible! That's also why they were able to keep it under wraps. It happened so fast that it didn't have time to leak out. I think that entire affair probably built a lot of trust between the ACC and Pitt and Syracuse. Every single party kept their mouths shut – and that is highly unusual and extremely impressive.

John Marinatto, the Big East's commissioner at the time, literally found out about the defections while he was sitting in the press box at Byrd Stadium in College Park, Maryland getting ready for a Maryland versus West Virginia football game.

That is cold blooded but so was this business.

Think about how incompetent you have to be to have two of your most important members negotiating to leave and you have no earthly clue. That's not on Pitt and Syracuse, that's on Marinatto and the Big East.

It's an incredible story new matter how you look at it.
One of my brother's traveled to the Iowa game with a few members of the Athletic Department. When news about Pitt to the ACC broke very late Friday/early Saturday, they ran off to confirm as even THEY had no idea. Pitt to the ACC was really contained to a small amount of people including the BOT.
 
Anyone know the details of the "non-relationship" between WVU and the ACC?
Regardless - the Big12 absolutely blew that decision.. Geographically and every way else.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...sville-over-west-virginia-during-realignment/
Obviously I'm happy WV made it into the Big 12. I always hear from other fans that WVU being in the Big 12 makes no sense geographically. As a fan I love it. I don't know anything about tv ratings or market shares or anything like that. I'm 49 and have grown up in the DC/Baltimore area my whole life. Since joining the Big 12 on average I have only not been able to see WVU play on tv one game per year. All the rest of WVU's games are on here in the Baltimore/Washington area. Between Fox and Espn WVU is always on. I think being the only east coast team in the Big 12 helps.
 
as long as Boren runs the show in Oklahoma they will do what's best for them and not the conference. They are Texas without the network. When it looks like the cash will only grow in the Big 10 and Sec Oklahoma will be welcomed into either conference in a second. Who cares about okie state. The Sooners would love to be going against Nebraska again on thanksgiving weekend
 
One of my brother's traveled to the Iowa game with a few members of the Athletic Department. When news about Pitt to the ACC broke very late Friday/early Saturday, they ran off to confirm as even THEY had no idea. Pitt to the ACC was really contained to a small amount of people including the BOT.

That is definitely true. I was pretty well-connected with not only Pitt but two other athletic departments in the Big East during those years – much more so than I am now. And yet I had no clue that any of that was going on and neither did most of the people I knew.

I literally found out about it while watching College GameDay on that Saturday morning. That was a GREAT job by the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University. As we have all seen firsthand, many schools struggle to be that discreet.
 
That is definitely true. I was pretty well-connected with not only Pitt but two other athletic departments in the Big East during those years – much more so than I am now. And yet I had no clue that any of that was going on and neither did most of the people I knew.

I literally found out about it while watching College GameDay on that Saturday morning. That was a GREAT job by the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University. As we have all seen firsthand, many schools struggle to be that discreet.

I refused to believe it Friday night when it came across the ticker during the ESPN Friday game. I said to my uncle, "to good to be true." He showed me the official report on the drive home from Iowa. Sure took the sting off of driving halfway across the country to witness that meltdown.
 
as long as Boren runs the show in Oklahoma they will do what's best for them and not the conference

Bingo.

Boren knows if he can find a way out, the B1G & SEC will at least listen. If nothing else, he can threaten to blow the whole thing up and improve OU's standing in the conference.

It's entirely possible Boren started a fishing expedition to prove they were stuck and couldn't do anything to improve the conference. That said, with Texas holding the keys to the network, the next TV deal isn't looking too hot. No way Fox is going over the top when it is sitting on a million reasons as to why the product is worth less (Baylor's issues, getting shut out of the playoffs, no east coast foothold).
 
Did the ACC make the right decision now that it has come out w/ Louisville spending more on sports per student than any college w/ their pitiful academics and the scumbag football and bball coaches they have and their president forced to resign because of all of the above??

Oh... Louisville is ranked #360 in the WSJ top-500 colleges. WVU is #353. I call bullshit it was about academics.

Face it... Louisville and UNC are just benefitting because of the current laissez faire attitude of the NCAA. In any other decade they both would be candidates for death penalty.

Well, in retrospect, academics didn't matter nearly as much when the ACC needed Louisville. So far as UNC is concerned, the ACC understands the need for football to be a better product for TV. I'd guess as other schools, like Pitt, rising with the new money, that might change but that's not even a given. Honestly, UNC sticks out so badly because there aren't in a conference that sees what they're doing as the norm (please refer to the Big 12 and SEC).
 
I can't imagine a scenario where WVU wouldn't have gotten Maryland's spot in the ACC if Louisville had first gone into the B12. FSU and Clemson, who were driving the show on expansion at that point, and would never have settled for UConn over WVU. If you are going to dip into the gutter with Louisville for the sake of football, WVU is no worse, no matter the historic issues it has had with the original ACC members.

That said, there is no way for WVU to have predicted that and Luck did what he had to do to ensure WVU's survival. But he should have jumped moving to the B12 with Pitt and one of Louisville or Rutgers instead of holding out for an SEC pipedream. Lucky for Pitt the B12 group invite didn't come together.

And Pitt was absolutely operating with the idea of trying to bring WVU and Rutgers with them...the two schools it was in lockstep with in the Big East. Pitt recommended both as additions to the ACC when it got its won invite. That was even publicly stated.

Paco,

What's your opinion on the enforceability of GORs?
 
Paco,

What's your opinion on the enforceability of GORs?

1. I've not seen any of these contracts and neither has nearly anyone else that has bloviated on the topic in blogs or message boards. 2. Even if I had, I'm not a lawyer. 3. Even lawyers may disagree which is why there are legal challenges in the first place. 4. Based on what I've surmised from just observing the landscape, whether they are challengeable or not, the financial burden and risk to do so seems untenable.

Frankly, if someone really doesn't care about money, they'll leave. They'd either have negotiate back their rights, which seems potentially cost prohibitive on the surface, or go without having their home games broadcast (which doesn't seem reasonable if they are thinking of switching conferences). However, everyone cares a great deal about money. The time and expense to directly challenge the GOR, head on, probably negates the entire purpose for challenging it in the first place: e.g. to get out of it, because it seems that a direct challenge would take a long time and be extremely messy and expensive, involve injunctions, and might ultimately fail. You might as well just try to negotiate your way out if you felt it necessary to leave a conference where you signed a GOR. Most likely, a school would just bide their time until it expires in order to save the cost, massive issues, and likely very bad blood and publicity it would cause.

I can't speak necessarily to the B12, but for the ACC, there is also the exit fees which are 3X the annual per team distribution from the conference, so that is also increasing every year (in 2015 the average was $26.2m per team except for ND). It seems financially untenable for anyone to leave the ACC based on that combined with the GOR. I mean, you are talking about what will be in the $100 million range just for the exit fee before you even get to the issues of the GOR. Not even the Big Ten is going to front that type of money like it did for Maryland's $31.3m.

For the B12, everything hinges on what Texas wants to do in 2025. UT drives the bus, like it always has.
 
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I definitely agree that West Virginia would have gotten the invite that ultimately went to Louisville had the Cardinals been chosen by the Big 12.

As others have said, if you're going to hold your nose and take Louisville, you can do the same with West Virginia.

There is no way they would've chosen Connecticut over West Virginia if their aim was to strengthen the football side of the conference.

However, I also agree that there is no way Luck could've possibly predicted that Maryland was getting ready to leave the ACC for the B1G. He did what he had to do.

BTW, speaking strictly from a Pitt perspective, I wish that the Big 12 had done the smart thing and taken Louisville. I would much rather play West Virginia every year than Syracuse. I'd like to play both of those schools every year.

However, from an ACC perspective, it couldn't have worked out better.

Agree. In a perfect world, I do wish the big XII took Ville, and then WVU was UMDs replacement. But again, at the end of the day, overall for the ACC, things have worked out great.

And it may be petty, but I'm sort of enjoying guys like the Dude and the other WVU fans and Big XII fans that spewed a ton of nonsense for 4 years about the demise of the ACC, that they are going through this.
 
One of my brother's traveled to the Iowa game with a few members of the Athletic Department. When news about Pitt to the ACC broke very late Friday/early Saturday, they ran off to confirm as even THEY had no idea. Pitt to the ACC was really contained to a small amount of people including the BOT.

I was at the Iowa game, and during a break, one guy in the Pitt section with us turned around and started shouting Pitt was going to the ACC. That is when I found out. People started checking their phones. I still didn't fully believe it until that evening at a bar after the game we were watching the FSU vs OU game and it was on the bottom ticker.

Took some of the sting out of blowing that 21 pt lead.
 
That is definitely true. I was pretty well-connected with not only Pitt but two other athletic departments in the Big East during those years – much more so than I am now. And yet I had no clue that any of that was going on and neither did most of the people I knew.

I literally found out about it while watching College GameDay on that Saturday morning. That was a GREAT job by the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University. As we have all seen firsthand, many schools struggle to be that discreet.

I'd also give Swofford and the ACC credit. After the botched 2003 expansion with VT and Miami (and Cuse/BC), I think Swofford learned a lesson and now has every move locked down.

The Pitt/Cuse expansion, the ND expansion, the TV network, etc. Nothing has ever come out of the offices or schools for any of that until it was final. Sure, there is speculation, but they do their business quiet.

This whole Big XII thing, first with the Ville vs WVU fight for the 10th spot, the Texas believing openly ND was coming, and now with Boren and this whole expansion process, it is bad.
 
Agree. In a perfect world, I do wish the big XII took Ville, and then WVU was UMDs replacement. But again, at the end of the day, overall for the ACC, things have worked out great.

And it may be petty, but I'm sort of enjoying guys like the Dude and the other WVU fans and Big XII fans that spewed a ton of nonsense for 4 years about the demise of the ACC, that they are going through this.

In a hypothetical where both were available, a better choice for the conference between the two is always Louisville because of the financials of their athletic department and the new market they brought. The fact that their football has blown up so fast is just a bonus.
 
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