OT: Difficult Subject, But I am Curious of the Lair's Opinion, Zeke Elliott

[mehinpgh]

Okay, this one is tough. No one should condone any kind of domestic violence, and I despise the Cowboys, but I think after some information came out about the accuser, the 6 game suspension, which somehow nullifies a bunch of Elliott's contract guaranteed money, may have been too much. Look, the Columbus police decided not to pursue a case because the accuser was reported to have lied to the cops several times and her stories changed. Then there is written text proof and witnesses that said she was out to ruin his life and for her friend to lie to the police for her. If the police and DA could not find grounds for filing charges, how can Roger Goodell give this man a suspension for what equates to almost 40% of his season and void his guaranteed money? Here is the article:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...focus-former-girlfriend-testimony-report-says

Curious of what fellow Pitt fans think on this?

 

[upj87]

Okay, this one is tough. No one should condone any kind of domestic violence, and I despise the Cowboys, but I think after some information came out about the accuser, the 6 game suspension, which somehow nullifies a bunch of Elliott's contract guaranteed money, may have been too much. Look, the Columbus police decided not to pursue a case because the accuser was reported to have lied to the cops several times and her stories changed. Then there is written text proof and witnesses that said she was out to ruin his life and for her friend to lie to the police for her. If the police and DA could not find grounds for filing charges, how can Roger Goodell give this man a suspension for what equates to almost 40% of his season and void his guaranteed money? Here is the article:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...focus-former-girlfriend-testimony-report-says

Curious of what fellow Pitt fans think on this?

its a typical she said/she said situation...case closed nowadays.. Hell look at the USC kicker within the realm of pc kangaroo courts of today...She said he did nothing and he is still gone. ..don't know why but I see this going to a two or three game deal.

 

[Swervin27]

Michael Rappaport expressed it perfectly. I'd post a link but it is a tad crass, probably not best for a family message board.

 

[Pitt79]

I personally think that states and law enforcement should dole out punishment, what the state gives you should be it, period. The NFL should not be punishing anyone's "crimes" committed outside the job. Especially in cases where there was not enough evidence to even charge anyone of anything. To me all these suspensions PUNISH THE FANS by diluting the product, And I don't care, sports are JUST ENTERTAINMENT, nothing more than a TV SHOW.

 

[Pitt79]

its a typical she said/she said situation...case closed nowadays.. Hell look at the USC kicker within the realm of pc kangaroo courts of today...She said he did nothing and he is still gone. ..don't know why but I see this going to a two or three game deal.

Nobody should EVER be punished in he said/she said situations.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Pro sports are becoming cesspool and we all know how to clear that up "Empty the Cesspool".

As long as he's proven guilty of the infraction its just punishment! Agree with the other poster no he said/she said stuff since there's lots of " she said liar's" out there.

Out he goes, hopefully w/o pay, come back to the league and be a good example for others.
I believe he faces a lifetime ban after one or more occurances.
Good lets see how that thug/ bum can make a living other than running a football!
I heard a report earlier today that his behavior is so bad players in the past stopped going out partying with the guy!
Hope he scores the lifetime ban!

 

[Pitt79]

If the police and DA could not find grounds for filing charges, how can Roger Goodell give this man a suspension for what equates to almost 40% of his season and void his guaranteed money? Here is the article:

Same thing happened to Big Ben. No charges where filed, there should be no punishment for anyone.

 

[Pitt79]

Pro sports are becoming cesspool and we all know how to clear that up "Empty the Cesspool".
Out he goes, hopefully w/o pay, come back to the league and be a good example for others.
I believe he faces a lifetime ban after one or more occurances.
Good lets see how that thug/ bum can make a living other than running a football!
I heard a report earlier today that he behavior is so bad players in the past stopped going out partying with the guy!
Hope he scores the lifetime ban!

What did he do? Apparently nothing worth being charged of any crime? He should get no punishment of any kind from anyone.

 

[upj87]

Nobody should EVER be punished in he said/she said situations.

cept I did not say he said she said... I said she said she said. He, nowadays irrelevant..the way of the world today and much much more dicey for the dudes in college...they need a notarized form in triplicate just to kiss a gal good night.

 

[Saboteur]

its a typical she said/she said situation...case closed nowadays.. Hell look at the USC kicker within the realm of pc kangaroo courts of today...She said he did nothing and he is still gone. ..don't know why but I see this going to a two or three game deal.

As a person who spent his entire morning in court disproving the false allegations of a mentally ill person maybe I have a different perspective.
Unless and until someone is under oath, nothing anyone says really matters.
Ask Joe.
Ask Zeke.
Ask his accuser.
The NFL commissioner has broad powers and a system in place to handle these.
People lie and they lie often....I doubt there are any saints on either side of this spinning coin.
The fact of the matter is that if she were the celebrity and not he, the spin would be different.
Wait for the testimony. Then chuckle at Ron Cook pontificating.
Heck, this board will not let you publish the legal term for what Sandusky did to kids.
There are as many standards as there are humans. Mostly people act in accord with their wallets.
Isn't that right PC?

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

I hate the Cowboys. So i love it.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

As a person who spent his entire morning in court disproving the false allegations of a mentally ill person maybe I have a different perspective.
Unless and until someone is under oath, nothing anyone says really matters.
Ask Joe.
Ask Zeke.
Ask his accuser.
The NFL commissioner has broad powers and a system in place to handle these.
People lie and they lie often....I doubt there are any saints on either side of this spinning coin.
The fact of the matter is that if she were the celebrity and not he, the spin would be different.
Wait for the testimony. Then chuckle at Ron Cook pontificating.
Heck, this board will not let you publish the legal term for what Sandusky did to kids.
There are as many standards as there are humans. Mostly people act in accord with their wallets.
Isn't that right PC?

Definitely right.

Elliott is paying a tougher penalty right now (and for now, until reduced) because of heat the NFL took for totally blowing off what Ray Rice did. It's absolutely a cynical PR ass covering on the NFL part. They couldn't give a flying fish about right or wrong or the victim.

Going deeper the victim often knows all too well what kind of situation she or he has and that getting the hell away before the bomb goes off is the physically prudent thing to do. But not the bling - prudent or easy life style prudent. It's never ever ever ever a reason or excuse for the violence. (Wish I could make that bold with the phone). But this cynical attitude of the person who ends up the victim is what allows the opportunistic to seize on to get the perpetrator off and people to mostly shrug.

Jesus, when the majority of PSU fans cite that they think Sandusky was innocent and Paterno did everything right, because some victims (who were SEVEN YEARS OLD ORPHANS oR thereabouts when assaulted) eventually got a few shekels as settlements, it is easy to figure out why there is no sympathy for an adult woman who was content to be with this guy who wad likely a violent jerk to her all the time BUT had a famous and lucrative lifestyle.

And Ron Cooks opinion (which is actually Jerry Micco' s opinion) will/would be 180 degrees different for a former OSU Buckeye (subject of PSU envy) now a Cowboy (hated by Steeler fans, me included) than if it were Sasquatch (or whatever) Barkley who was now a Steeler, beating his girlfriend. Its been proven exactly true with the likes of James Harrison (who didn't even bother to deny he abused his wife). Brushed off by Rooney himself (he called it "a religious disagreement"... while at the same time cutting Cedric Wilson whose wife threatened to shoot HIM in a "disagreement"). Wilson, a decent guy by most counts but mediocre WR, was cut and tainted as an possible abuser (though as mentioned, it wss his WIFE who went nearly postal). Harrison, a surly ahole by most counts but defensive MVP and (my thinking anyway) maker of one if 5 best SB plays in history, kept and worshipped as a god by Steeler nation.

Cynicism and opportunism rules.

 

[pittzap]

Okay, this one is tough. No one should condone any kind of domestic violence, and I despise the Cowboys, but I think after some information came out about the accuser, the 6 game suspension, which somehow nullifies a bunch of Elliott's contract guaranteed money, may have been too much. Look, the Columbus police decided not to pursue a case because the accuser was reported to have lied to the cops several times and her stories changed. Then there is written text proof and witnesses that said she was out to ruin his life and for her friend to lie to the police for her. If the police and DA could not find grounds for filing charges, how can Roger Goodell give this man a suspension for what equates to almost 40% of his season and void his guaranteed money? Here is the article:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...focus-former-girlfriend-testimony-report-says

Curious of what fellow Pitt fans think on this?

They gave him 6 games. He'll appeal any it ei get reduced to 2 or 3.

 

[mehinpgh]

They got it right on Cedric Wilson...she was wrong for holding him hostage with a gun over in their Blue Swan development off of 910, but weeks/months later he punched her in the face at Patron's Mexican Restaurant on 19 in Wexford. I have friends that saw it first hand. He had to go.

Definitely right.

Elliott is paying a tougher penalty right now (and for now, until reduced) because of heat the NFL took for totally blowing off what Ray Rice did. It's absolutely a cynical PR ass covering on the NFL part. They couldn't give a flying fish about right or wrong or the victim.

Going deeper the victim often knows all too well what kind of situation she or he has and that getting the hell away before the bomb goes off is the physically prudent thing to do. But not the bling - prudent or easy life style prudent. It's never ever ever ever a reason or excuse for the violence. (Wish I could make that bold with the phone). But this cynical attitude of the person who ends up the victim is what allows the opportunistic to seize on to get the perpetrator off and people to mostly shrug.

Jesus, when the majority of PSU fans cite that they think Sandusky was innocent and Paterno did everything right, because some victims (who were SEVEN YEARS OLD ORPHANS oR thereabouts when assaulted) eventually got a few shekels as settlements, it is easy to figure out why there is no sympathy for an adult woman who was content to be with this guy who wad likely a violent jerk to her all the time BUT had a famous and lucrative lifestyle.

And Ron Cooks opinion (which is actually Jerry Micco' s opinion) will/would be 180 degrees different for a former OSU Buckeye (subject of PSU envy) now a Cowboy (hated by Steeler fans, me included) than if it were Sasquatch (or whatever) Barkley who was now a Steeler, beating his girlfriend. Its been proven exactly true with the likes of James Harrison (who didn't even bother to deny he abused his wife). Brushed off by Rooney himself (he called it "a religious disagreement"... while at the same time cutting Cedric Wilson whose wife threatened to shoot HIM in a "disagreement"). Wilson, a decent guy by most counts but mediocre WR, was cut and tainted as an possible abuser (though as mentioned, it wss his WIFE who went nearly postal). Harrison, a surly ahole by most counts but defensive MVP and (my thinking anyway) maker of one if 5 best SB plays in history, kept and worshipped as a god by Steeler nation.

Cynicism and opportunism rules.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

What did he do? Apparently nothing worth being charged of any crime? He should get no punishment of any kind from anyone.

I said if he's proven guilty of the infraction/charge.
If thats the case he did something wrong!

 

[Saboteur]

Definitely right.

Elliott is paying a tougher penalty right now (and for now, until reduced) because of heat the NFL took for totally blowing off what Ray Rice did. It's absolutely a cynical PR ass covering on the NFL part. They couldn't give a flying fish about right or wrong or the victim.

Going deeper the victim often knows all too well what kind of situation she or he has and that getting the hell away before the bomb goes off is the physically prudent thing to do. But not the bling - prudent or easy life style prudent. It's never ever ever ever a reason or excuse for the violence. (Wish I could make that bold with the phone). But this cynical attitude of the person who ends up the victim is what allows the opportunistic to seize on to get the perpetrator off and people to mostly shrug.

Jesus, when the majority of PSU fans cite that they think Sandusky was innocent and Paterno did everything right, because some victims (who were SEVEN YEARS OLD ORPHANS oR thereabouts when assaulted) eventually got a few shekels as settlements, it is easy to figure out why there is no sympathy for an adult woman who was content to be with this guy who wad likely a violent jerk to her all the time BUT had a famous and lucrative lifestyle.

And Ron Cooks opinion (which is actually Jerry Micco' s opinion) will/would be 180 degrees different for a former OSU Buckeye (subject of PSU envy) now a Cowboy (hated by Steeler fans, me included) than if it were Sasquatch (or whatever) Barkley who was now a Steeler, beating his girlfriend. Its been proven exactly true with the likes of James Harrison (who didn't even bother to deny he abused his wife). Brushed off by Rooney himself (he called it "a religious disagreement"... while at the same time cutting Cedric Wilson whose wife threatened to shoot HIM in a "disagreement"). Wilson, a decent guy by most counts but mediocre WR, was cut and tainted as an possible abuser (though as mentioned, it wss his WIFE who went nearly postal). Harrison, a surly ahole by most counts but defensive MVP and (my thinking anyway) maker of one if 5 best SB plays in history, kept and worshipped as a god by Steeler nation.

Cynicism and opportunism rules.

You should copyright your last sentence. Churchill could not have done better.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

It actually doesn't matter what we think here's the scoop from his the NFL that's where he works:


If Ezekiel Elliot doesn't stay out of trouble, there's a chance he could be banished for life from the NFL. That stern warning came from the league Friday afterit announced Elliott's six-game suspension. Ina six-page letter to Elliott, theNFLmade it very clear that the league has the right to banish him forever if he were to get in trouble again.

From the letter:

"You must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement, and must not commit any additional violations of league policies. In that respect, you should understand that another violation of this nature may result in your suspension or potential banishment from the NFL."

 

[Pitt79]

I said if he's proven guilty of the infraction/charge.
If thats the case he did something wrong!

The state will punish him if he did it, no need to punish the FANS by diluting the product.

 

[Pitt79]

About when, what year? Did the NFL become a quasi legal crime enforcement organization? Growing up, WHEN THINGS WHERE BETTER THAN NOW, I don't remember players being suspended ever. I'd have to guess that back then they did wrong tings too?

 

[pitt2533]

I personally think that states and law enforcement should dole out punishment, what the state gives you should be it, period. The NFL should not be punishing anyone's "crimes" committed outside the job. Especially in cases where there was not enough evidence to even charge anyone of anything. To me all these suspensions PUNISH THE FANS by diluting the product, And I don't care, sports are JUST ENTERTAINMENT, nothing more than a TV SHOW.

My thoughts have nothing to dowith Elliot as I haven't paid attention really. But I disagree with this completely.

NFL, NBA, or whatever league has the right to hold their players accountable for actions that they determine fall outside of the conduct they would like to have their employees to exhibit on a daily basis.

Now for the NFL specifically, their issue isn't the suspensions. It is the wildly inconsistency of those suspensions that makes no sense.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Pro sports are becoming cesspool and we all know how to clear that up "Empty the Cesspool".

As long as he's proven guilty of the infraction its just punishment! Agree with the other poster no he said/she said stuff since there's lots of " she said liar's" out there.

Out he goes, hopefully w/o pay, come back to the league and be a good example for others.
I believe he faces a lifetime ban after one or more occurances.
Good lets see how that thug/ bum can make a living other than running a football!
I heard a report earlier today that his behavior is so bad players in the past stopped going out partying with the guy!
Hope he scores the lifetime ban!

I laugh my ass off when I read things like this. "Pro" sports. But not college, eh? College is this Boy Scout utopia, eh? This isn't naive, it is stupid. My god, what world do you live in to continually come up with these awful takes.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

I laugh my ass off when I read things like this. "Pro" sports. But not college, eh? College is this Boy Scout utopia, eh? This isn't naive, it is stupid. My god, what world do you live in to continually come up with these awful takes.

Absolutely. Major College sports is the ultimate in hypocrisy, at its very BEST. Never in a trillion years would the majority of the football or basketball players for a Duke, Stanford, or even Pitt or WVU (well, maybe WVU) normally qualify for admissions. So it's dirty at the outset before any crimes or other uncivil behavior come into consideration. From there its a smorgasbord of not IF there are compromises made but what level and how many.

High nose ivy-wannabe Pitt is definitely at least a little pregnant like everyone. Take a look at the latest suspensions and imagine the dealing and wheeling that went on behind the scenes (because it certainly didn't occur out in the open). Can only imagine the follies between Duz and Gallagher on the convoluted package they agreed upon. 1 game for Bookser for all the mayhem he wreaked (and not his first time either) but THREE for that other guys who almost certainly did much less and complete EXPULSION for Taleni ... And what did it achieve for Pitt in the end? Accolades? F*ck no. Football wise it pretty much doomed the month of September, which dooms the season having any meaning, which destroys buzz and assures dismal attendance and financial gloom. On the academic side it buys Pitt no extra gravitas in the least. Eggheads will still be repulsed that there is sports at all. In the community, if I'm a victim of a drunk driver (or a family member of one), the lax punishment of Bookser would enrage me. So even when Pitt tries to be hardass we can't even get that right.

So you see the other schools that don't punish anyone at all and you kind of nod your head in understanding. If you're gonna be a hypocrite you may as well do it balls deep.

 

[Pitt83Panther]

My opinion:
He's a bum...what else do you need to know.

 

[Jeffburgh]

My thoughts have nothing to dowith Elliot as I haven't paid attention really. But I disagree with this completely.

NFL, NBA, or whatever league has the right to hold their players accountable for actions that they determine fall outside of the conduct they would like to have their employees to exhibit on a daily basis.

Now for the NFL specifically, their issue isn't the suspensions. It is the wildly inconsistency of those suspensions that makes no sense.

That is my primary issue, Goodell is such a meglomaniac he wants to be the judge and jury. The issue is the owners, who enable that.

They should take player discipline completely out of his hands. Develop a disciplinary committee with the appropriate representation that has the authority to deal with situations that fall outside of league policy.

When you have one person who makes all of these decisions unilaterally you are never going to have good outcomes, NO ONE PERSON can see all aspects of it, avoid personal biases or blindspots.

FURTHER, even setting those aspects of it aside, it makes the whole process look suspect when the lead executive makes these decisions.

The league's reputation and the trust of the fans and public would increase greatly if they took all of this out of Goodell's hands.

 

[Pitt79]

NFL, NBA, or whatever league has the right to hold their players accountable for actions that they determine fall outside of the conduct they would like to have their employees to exhibit on a daily basis.

They have "the right", but it ruins the product. When a big game comes up and the best players aren't there, it's disappointing. It' JUST A TV SHOW! It's not something more serious than that! Why can Keith Richards or Charlie Sheen do their gigs after smoking crack or doing heroin or punching their wife and not being suspended, TO ME it's the same thing.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Absolutely. Major College sports is the ultimate in hypocrisy, at its very BEST. Never in a trillion years would the majority of the football or basketball players for a Duke, Stanford, or even Pitt or WVU (well, maybe WVU) normally qualify for admissions. So it's dirty at the outset before any crimes or other uncivil behavior come into consideration. From there its a smorgasbord of not IF there are compromises made but what level and how many.

High nose ivy-wannabe Pitt is definitely at least a little pregnant like everyone. Take a look at the latest suspensions and imagine the dealing and wheeling that went on behind the scenes (because it certainly didn't occur out in the open). Can only imagine the follies between Duz and Gallagher on the convoluted package they agreed upon. 1 game for Bookser for all the mayhem he wreaked (and not his first time either) but THREE for that other guys who almost certainly did much less and complete EXPULSION for Taleni ... And what did it achieve for Pitt in the end? Accolades? F*ck no. Football wise it pretty much doomed the month of September, which dooms the season having any meaning, which destroys buzz and assures dismal attendance and financial gloom. On the academic side it buys Pitt no extra gravitas in the least. Eggheads will still be repulsed that there is sports at all. In the community, if I'm a victim of a drunk driver (or a family member of one), the lax punishment of Bookser would enrage me. So even when Pitt tries to be hardass we can't even get that right.

So you see the other schools that don't punish anyone at all and you kind of nod your head in understanding. If you're gonna be a hypocrite you may as well do it balls deep.

I am fine with the education qualification thing. Let's face it, unlike hockey and baseball, there are no real minor leagues or definitive paths to the pros in football and basketball than college. It is what it is, and it is a huge revenue stream. It has turned these non profit institutions into decidedly for profit entities. Sad I know, but again it is what it is. I just think we need to stop the hypocrisy. To those athlete-students who truly are students and taking real degrees and being qualified, great. They got a free education. To those who are stars, they get a great life better than almost any in the NFL. To those in between, if they take advantage, they become part of huge networks of jock sniffing alums who likely will hire them for the novelties sake. I am fine with all that. Just like you said, let's stop with the " a little pregnant" stance of schools like Pitt. For some reason, we more than others, buy into this hypocrisy.

 

[pittdan77]

Well, the players and the league negotiated this arrangement where the league can impose its own penalty. So really "fair" or "criminal" or "right/wrong" isn't what's at issue. This was agreed upon by the players and the league and the league has chosen to use a really big stick.

Players would be wise to look at this next time.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

I am fine with the education qualification thing. Let's face it, unlike hockey and baseball, there are no real minor leagues or definitive paths to the pros in football and basketball than college. It is what it is, and it is a huge revenue stream. It has turned these non profit institutions into decidedly for profit entities. Sad I know, but again it is what it is. I just think we need to stop the hypocrisy. To those athlete-students who truly are students and taking real degrees and being qualified, great. They got a free education. To those who are stars, they get a great life better than almost any in the NFL. To those in between, if they take advantage, they become part of huge networks of jock sniffing alums who likely will hire them for the novelties sake. I am fine with all that. Just like you said, let's stop with the " a little pregnant" stance of schools like Pitt. For some reason, we more than others, buy into this hypocrisy.

What Pitt eggheads never seems to get is that great schools that have great sports are not brought down by it. They are actually brought up. Duke doesn't lose academic prestige by having this squad of likely illiterates wearing uniforms with their name. They are boosted by it. UNC prestige didn't suffer in the least by getting caught with an entire fake college for its athletes. It's still considered a much better school than Pitt, and now has a NC hoops team that has done nothing but add to its coffers and admiration. For the average UNC grad, the value of his degree for getting or going into an interview was never higher since April. The Penn State rapes didn't do a thing to hurt Penn State; by thumbing nose at the world on it and tripling down on football, they have a top 10 program and tons more adulation than Pitt.

Examples could go on and on and on and on. But frustratingly it never sinks in with the delusional Pitt admins. I guess to their credit they are trying to satisfy everyone (fielding sports programs to try to check that box for students and alum who love it, but purposefully keeping them under a tight yoke to mollify the internal sneers and queers, and doing it on the cheap to try to appease the bean counters)... but as so often happens, it satisfies nobody.

As for the NFL, whatever discipline occurs is totally for PR to ease the mind of skittish sponsors and networks. That's absolutely all it is. Hold a wet finger to the wind. The masses grumbled when they saw Ray Rice smash his girlfriend on video. Sponsors get nervous. Networks get nervous. Signal is flashed to the NFL to tighten the reins a bit. The next few guys get a little tougher discipline as a result. As others have mentioned, adequate loopholes are built in so its really truly not as harsh as first announced (after all the owner has a big stake in these guys... get em on the field dammit!) but by then the public has moved on to the next story.

 

[pitt2533]

That is my primary issue, Goodell is such a meglomaniac he wants to be the judge and jury. The issue is the owners, who enable that.

They should take player discipline completely out of his hands. Develop a disciplinary committee with the appropriate representation that has the authority to deal with situations that fall outside of league policy.

When you have one person who makes all of these decisions unilaterally you are never going to have good outcomes, NO ONE PERSON can see all aspects of it, avoid personal biases or blindspots.

FURTHER, even setting those aspects of it aside, it makes the whole process look suspect when the lead executive makes these decisions.

The league's reputation and the trust of the fans and public would increase greatly if they took all of this out of Goodell's hands.

I don't think Goodell unilaterally hands down suspensions any longer. He is still obviously involved but I am almost certain they changed that so he could not solely hand out suspensions. I could be wrong on that though but for some reasons I believe Merton Hanks the old 49ers Safety was in charge of discipline at some point and maybe even Brian Dawkins currently? Just remember former players being involved in the discipline portion of the league.

 

[Jeffburgh]

I don't think Goodell unilaterally hands down suspensions any longer. He is still obviously involved but I am almost certain they changed that so he could not solely hand out suspensions. I could be wrong on that though but for some reasons I believe Merton Hanks the old 49ers Safety was in charge of discipline at some point and maybe even Brian Dawkins currently? Just remember former players being involved in the discipline portion of the league.

I would hope, but he should be completely removed it.

Any big business, the CEO does not fire or discipline employees, there is policy and an HR department to enforce it and deal with employee management.

 

[Jpripper88]

They have "the right", but it ruins the product. When a big game comes up and the best players aren't there, it's disappointing. It' JUST A TV SHOW! It's not something more serious than that! Why can Keith Richards or Charlie Sheen do their gigs after smoking crack or doing heroin or punching their wife and not being suspended, TO ME it's the same thing.

To you. They are making a choice across their demographics and sponsors. It is all driven by the dollar and they deem people with your opinion less likely to hurt their bottom-line than the other side. Pretty simple. Plus, the players/employees agreed to this system.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

I would hope, but he should be completely removed it.

Any big business, the CEO does not fire or discipline employees, there is policy and an HR department to enforce it and deal with employee management.

There is no business like this though. For one its really a bunch of separate businesses under a cartel setup. The employees are also the product, another big difference. And you might think the customers are the fans, but in reality its the networks and sponsors.

 

[Pitt79]

To you. They are making a choice across their demographics and sponsors. It is all driven by the dollar and they deem people with your opinion less likely to hurt their bottom-line than the other side. Pretty simple. Plus, the players/employees agreed to this system.

Do you know a single person that has stopped watching the NFL over player behavior issues. I don't know a single one.

 

[Jpripper88]

Do you know a single person that has stopped watching the NFL over player behavior issues. I don't know a single one.

Me? Probably not, because it is unlikely I would be friends with that person, but there are certainly threats of that and sponsorship pull backs in several cases. It is a business decision.

 

[Jeffburgh]

There is no business like this though. For one its really a bunch of separate businesses under a cartel setup. The employees are also the product, another big difference. And you might think the customers are the fans, but in reality its the networks and sponsors.

Your first two points only further emphasize the need to separate discipline from the the CEO.

Final point does lend toward the CEO having a hand in it.

I still would take that tact that the more clean and delineated the process the better.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Do you know a single person that has stopped watching the NFL over player behavior issues. I don't know a single one.

More are probably likely to watch it because of such issues, if only to hate on the guy.. Its why I'm a little surprised that some team, a sucky one utterly bereft of interest like Jacksonville or Cleveland, hasn't taken a shot at Kaepernick. It could truly be that nobody thinks he can play worth a dam, or more accurately, they can't adequately coach his style, and not his politics (despite what the left is claiming). Because he'd definitely bring eyeballs to the team involved and that is the real name of the game.

 

[Ski11585]

Do you know a single person that has stopped watching the NFL over player behavior issues. I don't know a single one.

Yes. Quite a few. But then again, I'm not shocked that you don't.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Your first two points only further emphasize the need to separate discipline from the the CEO.

Final point does lend toward the CEO having a hand in it.

I still would take that tact that the more clean and delineated the process the better.

I know and respect your rather ... uncapitalist ... politics from other posts. So I think that jades your opinion. You see discipline and cry injustice to the employees, etc etc. And maybe that's true even. But when I note the employees are the product, that's a bigger deal than you're factoring. You see the downtrodden EMPLOYEE, possibly flawed, but deserving of due process, etc. The owners (who absolutely favor what Goodell does or he'd be long gone) foremost see the PRODUCT that has a very ugly, very visible DEFECT in it ... and they're racing to put as much lipstick on that pig as their customers (the networks and sponsors) want them to do. I don't think its right but that's absolutely the thinking.

 

[Jpripper88]

Yes. Quite a few. But then again, I'm not shocked that you don't.

I'm quite shocked you know people who were previously NFL fans, who now do not watch NFL because of player discipline issues. Which issues/players were the catalyst? Were these people actually NFL fans or just people who sometimes showed up at a sports bar when games were on and now still show up, but say "I don't watch the NFL anymore because of Mike Vick/Big Ben/Ray Lewis/Ray Rice."?

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Yes. Quite a few. But then again, I'm not shocked that you don't.

Most consumers of it aren't bothered by it in the least. And those who might be, will still likely tune in -- to righteously pass judgement on It! Either way, it means green.