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OT: Difficult Subject, But I am Curious of the Lair's Opinion, Zeke Elliott

Yes. Quite a few. But then again, I'm not shocked that you don't.
I've heard people say they'd quit watching over what Big Ben did (ACTUALLY DIDN'T) do, or "if they sign Michael Vick" or because of Ray Rice- blah-blah-blah, but it was all hot air, a week later they went back to watching.

Again, it's not some sort of serious, sacred thing, mostly it's just a TV Show.
 
Its why I'm a little surprised that some team, a sucky one utterly bereft of interest like Jacksonville or Cleveland, hasn't taken a shot at Kaepernick.

Yeah, those Cleveland season ticket holders who loyally show up at 7 am in 20 degree weather to light those BBQ grills then drink a 12 pack and watch a 1-15 team, aren't about to quit doing that over Kaepernick! Yeah, they'll pretend they hate him until he throws for 250 yards and 2 TDs one time. LOL.
 
More are probably likely to watch it because of such issues, if only to hate on the guy.. Its why I'm a little surprised that some team, a sucky one utterly bereft of interest like Jacksonville or Cleveland, hasn't taken a shot at Kaepernick. It could truly be that nobody thinks he can play worth a dam, or more accurately, they can't adequately coach his style, and not his politics (despite what the left is claiming). Because he'd definitely bring eyeballs to the team involved and that is the real name of the game.
There just isn't value there for Kaepernick. He turns 30 this year and he can't be a pocket passer. Even if he is your starter and you tailor your offense to him, what is the upside? A #17-30 starting QB, who isn't going to improve at all and is an injury risk because of his style? That is worth very, very little as a starter and almost nothing as a backup because most teams don't have a starter, who fits a similar mold. So, you add that all up and consider the BS protesting, crazy gf/fiancé, extra media attention, and possibility he spoils the locker room? No value, at all. And all that is said considering he takes vet minimum with no guaranteed money. If he wants legitimate backup or low end starter money, there is negative value. I think there is a team or two out there who would bring him in at vet min and let him compete to be a backup in their offense, but he extracts more value from grandstanding via ESPN than being someone's #2 or 3 QB or potentially getting cut.
 
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There just isn't value there for Kaepernick. He turns 30 this year and he can't be a pocket passer. Even if he is your starter and you tailor your offense to him, what is the upside? A #17-30 starting QB, who isn't going to improve at all and is an injury risk because of his style? That is worth very, very little as a starter and almost nothing as a backup because most teams don't have a starter, who fits a similar mold. So, you add that all up and consider the BS protesting, crazy gf/fiancé, extra media attention, and possibility he spoils the locker room? No value, at all. And all that is said considering he takes vet minimum with no guaranteed money. If he wants legitimate backup or low end starter money, there is negative value. I think there is a team or two out there who would bring him in at vet min and let him compete to be a backup in their offense, but he extracts more value from grandstanding via ESPN than being someone's #2 or 3 QB or potentially getting cut.
Interestingly he has a 72-30 TD/INT ratio.
 
Yeah, those Cleveland season ticket holders who loyally show up at 7 am in 20 degree weather to light those BBQ grills then drink a 12 pack and watch a 1-15 team, aren't about to quit doing that over Kaepernick! Yeah, they'll pretend they hate him until he throws for 250 yards and 2 TDs one time. LOL.
Those Cleveland fans are likely similar to our diehards that put up with the garbage Pitt gives us. But I'm talking about national interest. Nobody pays much attention to the likes of Jacksonville, always mentioned as at risk of losing its team... And Cleveland of course has been a train wreck since Modell flew the coop. Neither ever on Sunday or Monday night's etc. Merchandise sales likely last. Etc. Kaepernick would get them attention real fast, and as a bonus would likely step in instantly better than any QB either have (a low bar, for sure). So as I said, a little surprised.
 
Interestingly he has a 72-30 TD/INT ratio.
And he has a completion percentage on par with the 10 worst starters in the league. He is a mobile Brock Osweiler. He can throw the seams very well, but struggles in pretty much every other area of the field. It is good he doesn't throw that many INTs, but that is generally because he either throws to his #1 read, tucks and runs, or throws the ball away.

Those Cleveland fans are likely similar to our diehards that put up with the garbage Pitt gives us. But I'm talking about national interest. Nobody pays much attention to the likes of Jacksonville, always mentioned as at risk of losing its team... And Cleveland of course has been a train wreck since Modell flew the coop. Neither ever on Sunday or Monday night's etc. Merchandise sales likely last. Etc. Kaepernick would get them attention real fast, and as a bonus would likely step in instantly better than any QB either have (a low bar, for sure). So as I said, a little surprised.
Why would that attention be good for them? It won't sell more tickets. That is the only way individual teams really make any extra revenue: butts in seats. They don't get a dime more for more of their jerseys selling outside of their stadium.

Would he be better? He could be, but it isn't likely he would be much better. For Jacksonville he almost assuredly would be no better. For Cleveland he would block a young player from PT and evaluation. Neither team would win more than maybe a game more and that won't get them in the playoffs. Plus, their offense would have to be changed from what they would normally run. There is essentially no upside, before you consider the off the field and locker room issues.
 
And he has a completion percentage on par with the 10 worst starters in the league. He is a mobile Brock Osweiler. He can throw the seams very well, but struggles in pretty much every other area of the field. It is good he doesn't throw that many INTs, but that is generally because he either throws to his #1 read, tucks and runs, or throws the ball away.

Actually, he's an older Cam Newton. Your evaluation is dead on but if I'm Cleveland (and I'm really trying to win), Kap is better than anything you have. Jets too. I mean, Derek Anderson has a job.
 
Actually, he's an older Cam Newton. Your evaluation is dead on but if I'm Cleveland (and I'm really trying to win), Kap is better than anything you have. Jets too. I mean, Derek Anderson has a job.
He's an older Cam Newton? Cam Newton is worlds better than Colin Kaepernick. In every respect. And, yes, Cam has definite limitations, which limit his longterm upside of being an elite QB. Is Kap better than Cody Kessler or Kizer? Probably. Probably by about a game of difference. What does winning that game buy/cost you? What does not seeing what you have in Kessler or Kizer cost you? Again, all that is before the distraction issue.

Derek Anderson has a job because Derek Anderson is a mediocre QB who will not rock the boat, knows the game and how to read defenses, can help young QBs and skill players, who comes cheap, and can step in and be ok without the offense having to be drastically changed. That is worth much, much more than Colin Kaepernick. In fact, the Panthers wish Cam Newton would play more towards the style Anderson shapes to than Kaepernick, so even in a situation with an athletic, running QB as the starter, the franchise STILL places much more value on the focus of the backup being a pocket passer.

The only situation where Kaepernick might make sense (still for essentially vet minimum) is if a vet goes down for multiple weeks now and the team has no real developmental young passer, but is a pretty clear playoff team. The Dolphins were a pretty solid example, but there was a better QB available without the distractions and the offense didn't need to change. Maybe if Prescott went down for Dallas for a few weeks, but then: Do you want your young QB to spend ANY time around Kaepernick or answering questions about Kaepernick? I wouldn't.
 
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Bottom line/memo to the players: the NFL isn't going to tolerate lots of "stuff" they allowed in prior years.

Adjust or get a lifetime ban!

One of my new NFL interests is watching and enjoying the suspensions and hopefully we see some lifetime bans.
Part two of my new NFL fun will be to follow that players who receive lifetime bans and see how the make a living ( LOL) doing something / anything else!
This will be fun!
 
Why would that attention be good for them? It won't sell more tickets. That is the only way individual teams really make any extra revenue: butts in seats. They don't get a dime more for more of their jerseys selling outside of their stadium.

I'm pretty sure Cleveland sells out, it's a diehard football town. Jax, they don't.
 
One of my new NFL interests is watching and enjoying the suspensions and hopefully we see some lifetime bans.

Honestly, you are sick dude! That stuff, the suspensions, bans, the discussion of it all, ruins the sports news for me, ruins the games for me. I sorely miss the days when even though they where still doing all the same stuff back then, I miss when they'd sweep it all under the rug and pretend it wasn't happening! Then the focus was on the games, even though A-holz like Bobby Layne, Mickey Mantle and Snake Stabler where hung over in the games everyone pretended they where good character guys instead of worthless drunks. I hate MODERN USA.
 
I'm pretty sure Cleveland sells out, it's a diehard football town. Jax, they don't.
And you think signing Colin Kaepernick increases their sold tickets and in stadium sales by how much?

Remember Jacksonville does have a QB better than Kaepernick already.
 
And you think signing Colin Kaepernick increases their sold tickets and in stadium sales by how much?

Remember Jacksonville does have a QB better than Kaepernick already.

Honestly, it's a sad reflection on America that this is such a big deal, and it's also sad that there are people who "enjoy" the suspensions and root for them.
 
Honestly, you are sick dude! That stuff, the suspensions, bans, the discussion of it all, ruins the sports news for me, ruins the games for me. I sorely miss the days when even though they where still doing all the same stuff back then, I miss when they'd sweep it all under the rug and pretend it wasn't happening! Then the focus was on the games, even though A-holz like Bobby Layne, Mickey Mantle and Snake Stabler where hung over in the games everyone pretended they where good character guys instead of worthless drunks. I hate MODERN USA.
I'll agree that it was fun watching the drunk swashbuckling QBs of the earlier eras. Stabler for sure. Guys like Billy Kilmer and Sonny Jurgenson and Daryl Lamonica and of course Namath (all a bit before my time but the clips are fun). Bradshaw, Bert Jones. Joe Gilliam wacked out on coke. Big armed and cocky and likely hungover. Calling their own plays. Getting pisssd and fighting with coach and teammates on the sidelines. Bombs and picks galore. Headhunter DBs destroying receivers (and no flags). No WR waving for interference penalties before the ball even hits the ground. 69-45 games of the AFL. Better than the agonizing dinking and dunking of Brady and his wannabes today.
 
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And you think signing Colin Kaepernick increases their sold tickets and in stadium sales by how much?

Remember Jacksonville does have a QB better than Kaepernick already.

Had the Jags wanted to sign a backup QB to increase attention and ticket sales they would've signed local boy Tim Tebow a few years ago. That would've made a helluva lot bigger splash locally than Kaepernick.
 
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Had the Jags wanted to sign a backup QB to increase attention and ticket sales they would've signed local boy Tim Tebow a few years ago. That would've made a helluva lot bigger splash locally than Kaepernick.
But Kaepernick can actually play.

Tebow has one lucky (admittedly well timed) TD pass against the Steelers as his NFL credits. Though I'd agree he's still better than 90% of backups in the league (I caught tall end of last week Steelers game and was laughing aloud at this Buck Houston character or whatever his name was that the Steelers had mopping up. His missed throws were Tino like.
 
Just going by stats. If you look at them, they're not that different. Age is really the only difference but in his day, Kaepernick was pretty much the same guy.
In his day? They were drafted the same year...

Cam and Kaep are similar in overall completion percentage, but Kaep takes far more sacks, is far less durable, and accounts for far, far less scoring. I'd say the only real upside to Kaep is he is pretty darn good at not throwing interceptions. Of course, that is only a real positive trade off when you disregard all the sacks he takes and the fact he can't progress through reads after 6 seasons in the NFL.
 
Honestly, it's a sad reflection on America that this is such a big deal, and it's also sad that there are people who "enjoy" the suspensions and root for them.
It is a big deal to liberal media types trying to drive a story. Otherwise this is a market issue where it is abundantly clear the guy doesn't provide more value than risk.
 
Has anything else come out on this? When are they trying the appeal? Gosh, I have seen a lot of dirt publicized with incriminating text messages from the alleged victim and I see no way that the suspension does not at least get cut in half.
 
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