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Posting this because the article sort of admits that Franklin doesn’t want to play anyone tough in their OOC. Geiger argues it’s better for PSU to play cupcakes. We’ve argued the merits of playing a tougher OOC versus and easier schedule for years so I find this interesting. Especially since someone was over here claiming no P5 should be playing Western Michigan.

Best part is that the 2016 loss to Pitt is brought up.

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playing in the big ten in that division and having a 9 game conference schedule, it makes sense to play a cupcake or two..

They still have a P5 OOC game in the next 3 years and played auburn this year, making them have 10 P5 teams per year.. when pitt plays 10 P5 games in one year, 1/2 this board flips out calling it "murderer's row".
 
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Didn't he say this back in like 2017? He basically said there's no incentive to play P5 teams OOC. And he's right. They are probably in the 2016 playoff if they play Ball State instead of Pitt.

And the above posters are also correct. Pitt plays 8 conference games; Penn State plays 9. So even if they do schedule three cupcakes, it's like playing the exact schedule we did last season.

Looks like they have WVU in '23 and '24, which is crazy for WVU. They will play 9 conferences games plus Pitt and Penn State. And they're playing Pitt and Virginia Tech this season. Good for them.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
playing in the big ten in that division and having a 9 game conference schedule, it makes sense to play a cupcake or two..

They still have a P5 OOC game in the next 3 years and played auburn this year, making them have 10 P5 teams per year.. when pitt plays 10 P5 games in one year, 1/2 this board flips out calling it "murderer's row".
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That’s the thing. They’re always going to have oSU. And then they are always going to be playing ranked divisional opponents whether those opponents are deserving of that ranking or not.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
They still have a P5 OOC game in the next 3 years and played auburn this year, making them have 10 P5 teams per year.. when pitt plays 10 P5 games in one year, 1/2 this board flips out calling it "murderer's row".
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Haha, exactly. Our overall SOS will be like 45th, and people will have conniptions because we're playing two very beatable P5 teams OOC. Meanwhile, we'll play like one ranked team all season.
 
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TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
Haha, exactly. Our overall SOS will be like 45th, and people will have conniptions because we're playing two very beatable P5 teams OOC. Meanwhile, we'll play like one ranked team all season.
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Boy I’m hoping Syracuse is ranked when we play them. That will make for better lead up, perception, pregaming, and in game atmosphere.
 
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Fk_Pitt said:
That’s the thing. They’re always going to have oSU. And then they are always going to be playing ranked divisional opponents whether those opponents are deserving of that ranking or not.
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Which ranked divisional opponent for PSU last year qualified for the “or not” description about deserving?

Or, is that just your method of implying something negative about another team with a safety net?
 
Mufasa94 said:
Which ranked divisional opponent for PSU last year qualified for the “or not” description about deserving?

Or, is that just your method of implying something negative about another team with a safety net?
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That conference outside of OSU and sometimes UM is the same as every other conference. Team rankings of other schools in that league are always over inflated.
 
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Why not?
Its all mostly still based on perception. They have the most alumni in all places with the best PR dept in the country.
The cult fans could care less about opponents or sos.
Why not make it as close to a one game season as possible to get in?
 
I can’t believe this thread has gone this long without the usual suspects saying how much harder our schedule is than PSU, Alabama, etc
 
TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
Didn't he say this back in like 2017? He basically said there's no incentive to play P5 teams OOC. And he's right. They are probably in the 2016 playoff if they play Ball State instead of Pitt.

And the above posters are also correct. Pitt plays 8 conference games; Penn State plays 9. So even if they do schedule three cupcakes, it's like playing the exact schedule we did last season.

Looks like they have WVU in '23 and '24, which is crazy for WVU. They will play 9 conferences games plus Pitt and Penn State. And they're playing Pitt and Virginia Tech this season. Good for them.
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I think what Franklin means is that they don't really mind playing other P5 schools so much as they don't want to play games that might be difficult against other P5 schools. Generally, I get the philosophy and I really don't care other than when someone comes over here to cherry-pick an argument.
 
All you have to do is look at Michigan they've played 3 teams that are worse than cupcakes and look at where there ranked and they go into there big ten schedule not beat up and lots of there roster got playing time so I hate to say this but I agree with Franklin
 
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Section 509 said:
All you have to do is look at Michigan they've played 3 teams that are worse than cupcakes and look at where there ranked and they go into there big ten schedule not beat up and lots of there roster got playing time so I hate to say this but I agree with Franklin
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If the ACC goes to a 9 game schedule, and the Coastal stops being awful, then i too would agree with Franklin. But the comparison now with them and us is apples to oranges.
 
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To be honest, I don’t see the benefit in scheduling the Tennessee’s of the world if I’m Pitt, or the Auburn’s of the world if I’m Penn State.

The regional rivalries? Sure, I’m absolutely all for them - Pitt got a huge benefit from the WVU game in terms of fan interest, ticket sales, TV. But Tennessee? Didn’t really feel that different than a conference game against a ranked opponent in the ACC. I just don’t really see too much of an overall benefit in a home and home OOC with an SEC team.
 
TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
Didn't he say this back in like 2017? He basically said there's no incentive to play P5 teams OOC. And he's right. They are probably in the 2016 playoff if they play Ball State instead of Pitt.

And the above posters are also correct. Pitt plays 8 conference games; Penn State plays 9. So even if they do schedule three cupcakes, it's like playing the exact schedule we did last season.

Looks like they have WVU in '23 and '24, which is crazy for WVU. They will play 9 conferences games plus Pitt and Penn State. And they're playing Pitt and Virginia Tech this season. Good for them.
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They have to or will never be seen on TV.
 
pittchagg said:
To be honest, I don’t see the benefit in scheduling the Tennessee’s of the world if I’m Pitt, or the Auburn’s of the world if I’m Penn State.

The regional rivalries? Sure, I’m absolutely all for them - Pitt got a huge benefit from the WVU game in terms of fan interest, ticket sales, TV. But Tennessee? Didn’t really feel that different than a conference game against a ranked opponent in the ACC. I just don’t really see too much of an overall benefit in a home and home OOC with an SEC team.
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There probably isn't much of a benefit, but that kind of sucks. Now that the bowl games have become even more meaningless than they used to be, there aren't many other options to add meaningful variety to the schedule. In the NFL, I hate having to waste six games per year playing the same teams we always see. Same with playing the Brewers and Reds. etc. like 17 times each in baseball. I would hate for college football to turn into that. Games against A&M, Nebraska, Iowa, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Oklahoma State, etc. are pretty cool, in my opinion. Just something different.
 
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Fk_Pitt said:
That conference outside of OSU and sometimes UM is the same as every other conference. Team rankings of other schools in that league are always over inflated.
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You did not answer either question, but did make an absolute statement. You are basically stating last year’s third place 2-loss MSU team that beat the ACC champ was overrated at #9 while being the 7th highest ranked team out of eight 2-loss P5 teams.

I’d say you are inflating/exaggerating things.
 
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Mufasa94 said:
You did not answer either question, but did make an absolute statement. You are basically stating last year’s third place 2-loss MSU team that beat the ACC champ was overrated at #9 while being the 7th highest ranked team out of eight 2-loss P5 teams.

I’d say you are inflating/exaggerating things.
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Yes. That’s what I’m saying. The top 10 team that had to scratch, claw and rally late to beat a team playing their 3rd string QB. Boston College or Syracuse could have performed better.
 
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Then name the team(s) that deserved a higher ranking.

Its easy to whine about overrated and come up with a list of excuses for when a result goes opposite of what you think should have happened. Results matter.
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You do realize the OP posted this thread to bring the little enablers to our site and you came! Wake us up when you beat a team that is ranked!
 
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TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
There probably isn't much of a benefit, but that kind of sucks. Now that the bowl games have become even more meaningless than they used to be, there aren't many other options to add meaningful variety to the schedule. In the NFL, I hate having to waste six games per year playing the same teams we always see. Same with playing the Brewers and Reds. etc. like 17 times each in baseball. I would hate for college football to turn into that. Games against A&M, Nebraska, Iowa, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Oklahoma State, etc. are pretty cool, in my opinion. Just something different.
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I don’t necessarily disagree, but I also really like the setup in football where you play the same teams every year. I think it’s why you have so much gnashing of teeth over realignment: this sport is based on continuity and rivalries, and the inherent push/pull relationship between rosters that are constantly turning over every four years and matchups that have been played for 100 years.

I want to play WVU every year, both because we obviously saw how much money and attention it generated but also because I remember Pitt and WVU playing every year since I was a kid. I want to play Penn State every year for the same reason. I like how we’re back to playing Virginia Tech, Louisville, Boston College, Syracuse, Notre Dame pretty much every year. The cool, fun matchups are what bowl games have always been about for me. You might never play them again in your lifetime, so make it count!

For me, the ultimate scheduling setup would be WVU, Penn State or Notre Dame (Penn State in the years where we don’t play Notre Dame), a regional G5, a regional FCS (or another regional G5), and the eight conference opponents, where we’re guaranteed to have Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Boston College, and Louisville.
 
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Then name the team(s) that deserved a higher ranking.

Its easy to whine about overrated and come up with a list of excuses for when a result goes opposite of what you think should have happened. Results matter.
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Who are you to come into our house and make demands? If I went over to your enabler board, I’d be immediately blacklisted for simply saying hello. Go away and come back when the B1G meets post season expectations.
 
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pittdan77 said:
Posting this because the article sort of admits that Franklin doesn’t want to play anyone tough in their OOC. Geiger argues it’s better for PSU to play cupcakes. We’ve argued the merits of playing a tougher OOC versus and easier schedule for years so I find this interesting. Especially since someone was over here claiming no P5 should be playing Western Michigan.

Best part is that the 2016 loss to Pitt is brought up.

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He's has said this before and he's correct. There's no benefit to scheduling anything but buy-a-win games in college football.

If Pitt played Michigan's OOC schedule they would be in the top 12 right now. The system is just dumb.
 
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Who are you to come into our house and make demands? If I went over to your enabler board, I’d be immediately blacklisted for simply saying hello. Go away and come back when the B1G meets post season expectations.
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And also, when the rapes finally stop
 
Fk_Pitt said:
Who are you to come into our house and make demands? If I went over to your enabler board, I’d be immediately blacklisted for simply saying hello. Go away and come back when the B1G meets post season expectations.
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Instead of attempting to support your view, you felt the need to go to the derogatory description route. That’s always a sign things are going well for the author of said description.
 
Mufasa94 said:
Then name the team(s) that deserved a higher ranking.

Its easy to whine about overrated and come up with a list of excuses for when a result goes opposite of what you think should have happened. Results matter.
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I recall blue and white nation bemoaning how if Sean Clifford hadn't been hurt last year they would have won games they lost. Look in the mirror.
 
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4382 said:
Seriously do you even have a clue or just make stuff up as you go along? That stuff has been and always been available.

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trustees.psu.edu trustees.psu.edu
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Ahh the enabling enabler mind!




Read the PPG from 9/22/22


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executive committee haven’t met publicly since Dec. 2, 2011, when they discussed the very public Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.
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closed doors, barring the public and failing to record minutes, a Spotlight PA investigation found. This isn’t just bad optics. It violates the board’s governing
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documents, and
possibly Pennsylvania’s Sunshine Act.
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
If the ACC goes to a 9 game schedule, and the Coastal stops being awful, then i too would agree with Franklin. But the comparison now with them and us is apples to oranges.
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It is, though. Look at who Syracuse played two years ago when they finished ranked. In a world where your nobody really cares about who you beat, it doesn't make sense to overextend yourself. It's just garbage for anyone around the PSU program to not acknowledge that fact and move on.
 
pittdan77 said:
It is, though. Look at who Syracuse played two years ago when they finished ranked. In a world where your nobody really cares about who you beat, it doesn't make sense to overextend yourself. It's just garbage for anyone around the PSU program to not acknowledge that fact and move on.
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That strategy worked wonders for cuse a few years back. I have no reply there. It worked well for them and made a very mediocre team appear good.

unfortunately for them, they couldnt capitolize on their 'Smoke and mirrors' success.
 
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