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OT: Great article on Pittsburgh from Philly Magazine

CrazyPaco said:
Chicago is an awesome city. I've only visited though.

Pittsburgh has so much potential...especially living downtown. How many cities have such a dense urban core as the Golden Triangle where all of the primary theaters and all of the sports stadiums are within walking distance? Really the only thing that isn't there are the Carnegie museums that are in Oakland. You can even walk over the bridge to Station Square, you can walk to the strip. It needs to gain a critical mass of people living there and it could take off big time. It's missing the obvious: supermarkets, a movie theater complex and some small theaters for independent films or productions, some more boutique shops...but it is close. It could be really special.

Part of the Hill also has so much potential. Smack between downtown and Oakland with some gorgeous views and some housing that could be really nice row houses if fixed up.

But Pittsburgh really needs better public transportation. It is abysmal.
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CP - I attached a link earlier in the thread that documents the absolute explosion of living units in the city (especially downtown). The great majority are apartments as opposed to condo. We've been toying around with the idea for a while that when it comes time to jettison off our home and 2 acres, we would seriously opt to live downtown or even in Lawrenceville. Unfortunately the prices continue to climb (especially since all the new development is in the rental market) and I fear when the time comes it may not be a viable alternative. But we would love living so close to the center of our city and all it has to offer including the great restaurants that keep popping up.
 
pitt-girl said:
CP - I attached a link earlier in the thread that documents the absolute explosion of living units in the city (especially downtown). The great majority are apartments as opposed to condo. We've been toying around with the idea for a while that when it comes time to jettison off our home and 2 acres, we would seriously opt to live downtown or even in Lawrenceville. Unfortunately the prices continue to climb (especially since all the new development is in the rental market) and I fear when the time comes it may not be a viable alternative. But we would love living so close to the center of our city and all it has to offer including the great restaurants that keep popping up.
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Has to keep growing the # of units and drawing people in. I think it will.

If I was in Pittsburgh I'd want to be downtown or in Shadyside/Oakland area.

Honestly, I am not familiar with Lawrenceville at all anymore.
 
CrazyPaco said:
A.C.T. was founded in Pittsburgh and moved to San Francisco. Been to performances there. Actually seen multiple productions of different Wilson plays by different companies in the Bay Area.

Frankly, I'd love the opportunity to attend a Wilson play performed in Pittsburgh when I'm visiting as it would be a heck of a lot more meaningful than attending one elsewhere, especially if they had a post-play discussion with the director or others about the play. Pittsburgh actually has a very good theatre scene, particularly with CMU and Point Park pumping out impressive young talent. So to honestly answer your question, I'd rather see it done in Pittsburgh than just about anywhere than perhaps Broadway, and the only reason I'd rather see it on Broadway is because of the major star talent that they might get to be in it. But that type of Broadway production is not what I'm talking about, as I'm talking about a permanent theatre company devoted to producing his work year round.
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I think if you are from Pittsburgh or live there AND are a legitimate Wilson fan that might be true. Anyone else? I don't think there would be much significance at all. It is not like the areas are otherwise all that historically significant or preserved. More than anything, it is an "also" event, not really an attraction that would affect to Pittsburgh, so it really doesn't solve what is in discussion, which is having things that bring in tourism, not just things people can find to do if they are already long term or frequent visitors.
 
SVPanther said:
Please re-post in February.
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February in Pittsburgh wouldn't work for me/us, even though I love it, but the cost of living is ridiculous in a place like LA. You have to be making at least something like $400k to live a pretty decent life IMO. Sure the weather is always great, but normal people can't live there decently and ever own a nice home and retire.
 
pitt-girl said:
CP - I attached a link earlier in the thread that documents the absolute explosion of living units in the city (especially downtown). The great majority are apartments as opposed to condo. We've been toying around with the idea for a while that when it comes time to jettison off our home and 2 acres, we would seriously opt to live downtown or even in Lawrenceville. Unfortunately the prices continue to climb (especially since all the new development is in the rental market) and I fear when the time comes it may not be a viable alternative. But we would love living so close to the center of our city and all it has to offer including the great restaurants that keep popping up.
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Great minds think alike. My wife are entertaining the same idea. We're hoping to make it happen a few years after my last graduates college.
 
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SoufOaklin4Life said:
I recently moved back to pittsburgh and am enjoying it....
But you're insane if you think it's a more desirable place to live than those places.

And yes there is still a large yinzer miserable contingent here.
The the percentage of people who smoke blows my mind
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I'd live in Pittsburgh over most places, especially the cities already cited. D.C. area (mainly VA) is way too expensive, but I do like Alexandria. I wouldn't mind living in the Raleigh/Durham area of NC or the Charleston, SC area. But that's just me. Not saying any of those areas are more desirable than Pittsburgh for most people.

Smoking? Try going to Japan. They get them started there at 3 or 4. But I see very few people smoking in the area where I live.
 
HailToPitt1985 said:
I'd live in Pittsburgh over most places, especially the cities already cited. D.C. area (mainly VA) is way too expensive, but I do like Alexandria. I wouldn't mind living in the Raleigh/Durham area of NC or the Charleston, SC area. But that's just me. Not saying any of those areas are more desirable than Pittsburgh for most people.

Smoking? Try going to Japan. They get them started there at 3 or 4. But I see very few people smoking in the area where I live.
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It might not be as bad as in Japan, but when you work on Downtown Pittsburgh and try to take a walk, it's really annoying the number of people out walking blowing smoke, or huddled in front of a building creating a cloud of smoke.

My solution is to create designated smoking zones, in an enclosed area not adjacent to the sidewalks or building entrances. Once per year, a wolverine get's released into the smoking area. That way, you know people who go there to smoke really need to.
 
HailToPitt1985 said:
I'd live in Pittsburgh over most places, especially the cities already cited. D.C. area (mainly VA) is way too expensive, but I do like Alexandria. I wouldn't mind living in the Raleigh/Durham area of NC or the Charleston, SC area. But that's just me. Not saying any of those areas are more desirable than Pittsburgh for most people.

Smoking? Try going to Japan. They get them started there at 3 or 4. But I see very few people smoking in the area where I live.
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Not sure how well you know Charleston (SC), but to live in actual Charleston (on the historic peninsula) is prohibitively expensive (Unless, of course, you currently live in NY/DC/SF). Most of those homes have been in families for literally hundreds of years and when they do come onto the market there is always a bidding war over them, no matter the condition.
 
HailtoPitt said:
It might not be as bad as in Japan, but when you work on Downtown Pittsburgh and try to take a walk, it's really annoying the number of people out walking blowing smoke, or huddled in front of a building creating a cloud of smoke.

My solution is to create designated smoking zones, in an enclosed area not adjacent to the sidewalks or building entrances. Once per year, a wolverine get's released into the smoking area. That way, you know people who go there to smoke really need to.
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LOL. When I lived in West Virginia, I asked them if the state tree was a cigarette.
 
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SVPanther said:
Please re-post in February.
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I would post that any month of the year.

I enjoy seasons.

I'm also glad to be back on the East Coast, not that there aren't plenty of things to miss in Northern California.
 
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SVPanther said:
Pittsburgh on the East Coast? Really? Perhaps 300 miles and 6 hours away...but ok....
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Yes.

Don't know how you drive. 4 hours to Baltimore and DC. Same as going to Tahoe from San Francisco. Philly is about 5 hours, the same distance as San Francisco is to Yosemite. NYC is about the same distance as San Francisco to LA, and that is the closest other major city to San Francisco.
 
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HailtoPitt said:
It might not be as bad as in Japan, but when you work on Downtown Pittsburgh and try to take a walk, it's really annoying the number of people out walking blowing smoke, or huddled in front of a building creating a cloud of smoke.

My solution is to create designated smoking zones, in an enclosed area not adjacent to the sidewalks or building entrances. Once per year, a wolverine get's released into the smoking area. That way, you know people who go there to smoke really need to.
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Doesn't matter.
No smoke campus and signs by hospitals barely stops people.
I support the wolverine idea
 
SoufOaklin4Life said:
You can Get seasons most places.

Of course cold never bothered me.
Check back in a few years if the gray kills my spirit.
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Not in Miami. Not in the Bay area. Although you can drive to snow in the winter.

Tahoe brags about their fall colors which is a couple acre pocket of a few yellow trees.

Don't get me wrong, San Francisco is an incredible city and there our absolutely outstanding things within driving distance to do for weekend trips.

Every place has trade offs.
 
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CrazyPaco said:
Not in Miami. Not in the Bay area. Although you can drive to snow in the winter.

Tahoe brags about their fall colors which is a couple acre pocket of a few yellow trees.

Don't get me wrong, San Francisco is an incredible city and there our absolutely outstanding things within driving distance to do for weekend trips.

Every place has trade offs.
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Most =\= all
 
SoufOaklin4Life said:
Most =\= all
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True, I've just happened to live for about 9 years or so in two places that don't. There are big chunks of the country that don't really have them. It's a trade off like anything else. But I wouldn't live in a place just for seasons nor reject a place because they don't have them.
 
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CrazyPaco said:
Yes.

Don't know how you drive. 4 hours to Baltimore and DC. Same as going to Tahoe from San Francisco. Philly is about 5 hours, the same distance as San Francisco is to Yosemite. NYC is about the same distance as San Francisco to LA, and that is the closest other major city to San Francisco.
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I don't know anyone here who would describe Tahoe as being on "The west coast." Sierras certainly. But not on coast. Like 5 hour drive. (9+ on weekends coming back).

Many "major" cities between SF and LA, at least relative to Pittsburgh size/economy. E.g. San Jose, pop 1MM, Capitol of SV, Palo Alto (Stanford and venture capital base of the U.S.), Mt. view (Google), Menlo Park (Thomas Edison and Facebook), Cupertino (Apple), Redwood City (Oracle), Santa Clara (Intel), Sunnyvale (NASA-Ames).
That's all just about 45 mi South of SF. Should I continue? Sheesh....
 
I usually use the Appalachians as the dividing point between what is east coast and what isnt. The people in Pittsburgh also act more midwest. Again, not a knock, I love Pittsburgh. Just a distinction.
 
H2P-2007 said:
I usually use the Appalachians as the dividing point between what is east coast and what isnt. The people in Pittsburgh also act more midwest. Again, not a knock, I love Pittsburgh. Just a distinction.
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I would guess almost everyone born here identify as being more East Coast than Midwest, including myself. I don't think it really means anything except that Pittsburgh is on the right side of the country, not the middle. I do agree that the people here act more mid-west, of which I'm thankful. Great cities, but NYC and Boston residents can be real dicks. (Can I use that word here?)
 
SVPanther said:
I don't know anyone here who would describe Tahoe as being on "The west coast." Sierras certainly. But not on coast. Like 5 hour drive. (9+ on weekends coming back).

Many "major" cities between SF and LA, at least relative to Pittsburgh size/economy. E.g. San Jose, pop 1MM, Capitol of SV, Palo Alto (Stanford and venture capital base of the U.S.), Mt. view (Google), Menlo Park (Thomas Edison and Facebook), Cupertino (Apple), Redwood City (Oracle), Santa Clara (Intel), Sunnyvale (NASA-Ames).
That's all just about 45 mi South of SF. Should I continue? Sheesh....
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Something someone living in San Francisco has never said, "lets go to [insert name of every city you listed] for the weekend.


You have a different definition of major city than I do, that is for sure.
 
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