OT Greatest college QB of all time

[LeftCoastPanther]

Really? I don't remember this story? What happened? He was from Youngstown I think? So why didn't he go to tOSU maybe? Or Pitt?

Earl Bruce was scared of Kosar's mechanics. It turned away a lot of coaches in the rust belt area but the warm weather schools like UCLA, Florida and Miami recruited Bernie because he was fantastic at Boardman.

I graduated from Boardman 10 years after Kosar did and every day I walked into the school I saw his plaque with his passing yards stats of 2,222. He would have had way more but his junior year there was a teachers' strike and the Spartans played few games.

It wasn't until the last 10 years that I did some digging and found out how Kosar very much wanted to go to Pitt. He loved Marino, wanted to succeed him, and wanted to stay close to his family so they could see him play.

I found a Chicago-Sun Times article online from 1984 the week Pitt was playing Miami and it went in-depth on how Kosar wanted to go to Pitt. Foge urged Jackie to recruit Kosar but Sherrill refused after what recruits said above: he allotted his two QB scholarships elsewhere. A terrible parting gift from Jackie as I was never a Congemi guy. Small, brittle and a mediocre passer.

Pitt stays as a 9-2 program with Kosar IMO. A little side note, when Boardman coaches knew what it had in Kosar they went down to U of Cincinnati and studied Mike Gottfried's passing offense and implemented it at Boardman.

 

[CJsE]

Archie Manning took Ole Miss to "new heights" in terms of national visibility . before Archie , nobody outside of Miss and th eSEC knew who they were or where they were. Archie single handedly changed that. Note: where is the "multiple national champinbships " coming from?

1959 9-1 #2 going into bowls then a 21-0 win over #3 LSU in the Sugar Bowl.

1960 9-0-1 #2 going into bowls then a 14-6 win over Rice in Sugar Bowl. #1 Minnesota somehow lost it's 2nd game in the bowl but gained first place votes as an 8-2 AP champ. This is their only championship recognized by the NCAA.

1962 9-0 #3 going into bowls and beat #6 Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl.

I don't know if any of the major contemporary selectors picked Ole Miss as National Championship, but a lot of retroactives have including Dunkel, Billingsly, and Sagarin. These "National Championships" are just as valid (many more so) and claimed in the same manner as the vast majority of Pitt's "National Championships".

Archie had the best game of his entire career in the 1st nationally televised game and continued to get overrated for the rest of his college and NFL career. He never won a conference championship, national championship, or Heisman. He never lead the SEC (let alone the NCAA) in any passer category.

 

[Pitt79]

that's Mathew "I was too drunk to help the clumsy broad out" Stafford to you mister!

What was this all about?

 

[DruidTM]

Matt Lytle…?

 

[upj87]

What was this all about?

 

[JS School]

Sonny Sixkiller. Not really, but I loved the name. Sounds like someone you could count on to overthrow a wide open receiver in the end zone on 3rd down.

 

[Saboteur II]

Joe Roth.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

What school had the best string of QB's?

BYU?

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

What school had the best string of QB's?

BYU?

Miami: Kelly, Kosar, Vinny, Walsh, Ericson.

 

[mike412]

It's a pretty bold statement to say his 4th place finish was "new heights" when they had multiple claimed national championships in the decade before he arrived.

I’m not sure who thought they were national champions other than a few drunks at a bar in Oxford. They never have won a national championship. The closest they ever came was in 1959, when they were undefeated going into the LSU game. But, Billy Cannon returned a punt for a TD and they lost 7-0.

 

[mike412]

What school had the best string of QB's?

BYU?

I would think USC would have to be up there with Carson Palmer, Matt Leinert, Matt Bradley, Mark Sanchez, Cody Kessler and Sam D’Arnold. Four first round draft choices, a 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Mark Harmon, UCLA.

Show me another QB who has this many credits:

Movies:

Year	Title	Role	Notes
1978	Comes a Horseman	Billy Joe Meynert
1979	Beyond the Poseidon Adventure	Larry Simpson
1984	Tuareg – The Desert Warrior	Gacel Sayah
1986	Let's Get Harry	Harry Burck, Jr.
1987	Summer School	Freddy Shoop
After the Promise	Elmer Jackson
1988	The Presidio	Jay Austin
Stealing Home	Billy Wyatt
1989	Worth Winning	Taylor Worth
1990	Till There Was You	Frank Flynn
Kenny Rogers Classic Weekend	Himself
1991	Cold Heaven	Alex Davenport
1994	Wyatt Earp	Sheriff John Behan
1995	Magic in the Water	Jack Black
1995	The Last Supper	Dominant Male
1997	Casualties	Tommy Nance
Road to Manhattan	Nick Horton
The First to Go	Jeremy Hampton
1998	Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas	Magazine Reporter
1999	I'll Remember April	John Cooper
2001	The Amati Girls	Lawrence
Crossfire Trail	Bruce Barkow
2002	Local Boys	Jim Wesley
2003	Freaky Friday	Ryan
2004	Chasing Liberty	President James Foster
2009	Weather Girl	Dale
2010	Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths	Clark Kent/Superman	Voice role

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[RaleighPittFan]

Mark Harmon, UCLA.

Show me another QB who has this many credits:

TV:

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Television​

Year	Title	Role	Notes
1973	Ozzie's Girls	Mark Johnson	Episode: "The Candidate"
1975	Emergency!	Officer Dave Gordon	Episode: "905-Wild"
Adam-12	Officer Gus Corbin	Episode: "Gus Corbin"
1975, 1976	Police Woman	Paul Donin Stansky	Episode: "No Place to Hide" Episode: "Tender Soldier"
1976	Laverne & Shirley	Victor	Episode: "Dating Slump"
All's Fair	Ron	Episode: "Jealousy"
Delvecchio	Ronnie Striker	Episode: "Hot Spell"
1977	Eleanor and Franklin: The White House Years	Robert Dunlap	Television film
The Hardy Boys	Chip Garvey	Episode: "Mystery of the Solid Gold Kicker"
1978	Getting Married	Howard Lesser	Television film
Little Mo	Norman Brinker	Television film
Sam	Officer Mike Breen	7 episodes
1978–1979	Centennial	Captain John McIntosh	3 episodes
1979	The Love Boat	Doug Bradbury	2 episodes
1979–1980	240-Robert	Dwayne Thibodeaux	13 episodes
1980; 1981–1982	Flamingo Road	Fielding Carlyle	Television film 37 episodes
1980	The Dream Merchants	Johnny Edge	Miniseries
1981	Goliath Awaits	Peter Cabot	Television film
1983	The Love Boat	Rick Tucker	Episode: "Julie and The Bachelor..."
1983–1986	St. Elsewhere	Dr. Robert Caldwell	70 episodes
1983	Intimate Agony (aka Doctor in Paradise)	Tommy	Television film
1986	The Deliberate Stranger	Ted Bundy
Prince of Bel Air	Robin Prince
1987	Moonlighting	Sam Crawford	4 episodes
After the Promise	Elmer Jackson	Television film
1989	Sweet Bird of Youth	Chance Wayne
1991–1993	Reasonable Doubts	Detective Dicky Cobb	45 episodes
1991	Dillinger	John Dillinger	Television film
Fourth Story	David Shepard
Shadow of a Doubt	Uncle Charlie Oakley
Long Road Home	Ertie Robertson
1993	Harts of the West	Sam Carver	Episode: "The Right Stuff"
1994	Chicago Hope	Dr.Jack McNeil
1995	Charlie Grace	Charlie Grace	9 episodes
Original Sins (aka Acts of Contrition)	Johnathan Frayne	Television film
1996	Strangers	Mark	Episode: "Visit"
E! True Hollywood Story	Himself	Episode: "Dark Obsession"
1996–2000	Chicago Hope	Dr. Jack McNeil	95 episodes
1997	Adventures from the Book of Virtues	Ulysses	Episode: "Perseverance" (S 1:Ep 13)
1998	From the Earth to the Moon	Wally Schirra	Episode: "We Have Cleared the Tower"
2000	For All Time	Charles Lattimer	Television film
2001	The Legend of Tarzan	Bob Markham	Episode: "Tarzan and the Outbreak"
Crossfire Trail	Bruce Barkow	Television film
And Never Let Her Go	Thomas Capano
2002	The West Wing	Agent Simon Donovan	4 episodes
2003	JAG	SSA Leroy Jethro Gibbs	Episodes: "Ice Queen" and "Meltdown"
2003–2021	NCIS	Lead Role and executive producer
2004	Retrosexual: The 80's	Himself	TV miniseries
2011	Certain Prey	Lucas Davenport	Television film
2012	Family Guy	SSA Leroy Jethro Gibbs	Voice Episode: "Tom Tucker: The Man and His Dream"
2014–2020	NCIS: New Orleans	4 episodes; also executive producer

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[RaleighPittFan]

Mark Harmon, UCLA.

Show me another QB who has this many credits:

Awards and nominations​

Year	Association	Category	Nominated work	Result
1977	Primetime Emmy Awards	Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Miniseries or a Movie	Eleanor and Franklin: The White House Years	Nominated
1987	Golden Globe Awards	Best Actor – Miniseries or Television Film	The Deliberate Stranger	Nominated
1988	After the Promise	Nominated
1992	Best Actor – Television Series Drama	Reasonable Doubts	Nominated
Viewers for Quality Television	Best Actor in a Quality Drama Series	Nominated
1993	Golden Globe Awards	Best Actor – Television Series Drama	Nominated
Viewers for Quality Television	Best Actor in a Quality Drama Series	Nominated
1997	Screen Actors Guild Awards	Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series	Chicago Hope	Nominated
1998	Nominated
2002	Primetime Emmy Awards	Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series	The West Wing	Nominated
2011	People's Choice Awards	Favorite TV Crime Fighter	NCIS	Nominated
2013	Prism Awards	Male Performance in a Drama Series	Won
2014	People's Choice Awards	Favorite Dramatic TV Actor	Nominated
2016	Favorite Crime Drama TV Actor	Nominated
2017	Favorite Crime Drama TV Actor	Won

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

"Best Actor in a Quality Drama Series"? Did they also have an award for "Best Actor in a Shitty Drama Series"?

 

[CJsE]

I’m not sure who thought they were national champions other than a few drunks at a bar in Oxford. They never have won a national championship. The closest they ever came was in 1959, when they were undefeated going into the LSU game. But, Billy Cannon returned a punt for a TD and they lost 7-0.

Not saying i agree with them, but they have as much of a claim to those 3 as Pitt does to their claimed 1936 National Championship, if not 4-5 of the claims before 1936 as well.

I was just saying its absurd to say that Manning took them to new heights when his teams never placed higher than 4th in the SEC, when they had far more success 7-8 years before he got there.

 

[kma0043]

Miami: Kelly, Kosar, Vinny, Walsh, Ericson.

Heisman winner Gino Toretta comes after Ericson. Gino fn Toretta.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Heisman winner Gino Toretta comes after Ericson. Gino fn Toretta.

Good call. I forgot about him. I think more of the guy after Gino who ended the run: Frank Costa, or Costa-verde, as Miami fans thought he’d be.

 

[hoclaw]

Ahh, Tommy Frazier! Nothing could stop Huskers football; until the "curse of Peterson"!

 

[cashisking884]

I would think USC would have to be up there with Carson Palmer, Matt Leinert, Matt Bradley, Mark Sanchez, Cody Kessler and Sam D’Arnold. Four first round draft choices, a 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder.

Josh David Booty as well.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

SIAP - with so many QB’s already mentioned, I don’t know if anyone has mentioned Roger Staubach yet, but I will. And playing for Navy, he wasn’t surrounded by 4-5 star athletes - which makes his success even more impressive.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Troy Nunes

 

[Dan1911]

Greg Cross

 

[New York Panther]

Tom Brady arguably the greatest human to ever play football might not make a top 50 all time college QB list.

Brady definitely would not be on this list. He wasn't even the full-time QB at Michigan. He had to share the position with Drew Henson. I like to remind a friend of mine, who is a real Michigan homer, that the UM coaches weren't smart enough to make the GOAT as a pro the full time starter in college.

 

[giveitarest]

Timmy Chang

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

SIAP - with so many QB’s already mentioned, I don’t know if anyone has mentioned Roger Staubach yet, but I will. And playing for Navy, he wasn’t surrounded by 4-5 star athletes - which makes his success even more impressive.

The athletes at the academies in 1962, in comparison to the competition, were closer to Davis/Blanchard caliber than they were to the present day.

 

[pitt90seven]

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that reporter turned out to be a racist. matt made the right decision.

as for this thread, lots of recency bias.

i'm not having tebow at all. he was a running back who occassionally threw the ball. tommy frazier was criminally underrated.

but the true answer is kenny pickett.

 

[CJsE]

i'm not having tebow at all. he was a running back who occassionally threw the ball. tommy frazier was criminally underrated.

Fun fact, Tebow has more passing yards and passing TDs than Dan Marino, with only 1/4th the interceptions. But yeah, definitely just a running back.

 

[pitt90seven]

Fun fact, Tebow has more passing yards and passing TDs than Dan Marino, with only 1/4th the interceptions. But yeah, definitely just a running back.

every QB in urban meyers' offenses puts up the same passing stats. alex smith, haskins, etc etc. i'm not impressed. he was a running back.

 

[happjack]

Brady definitely would not be on this list. He wasn't even the full-time QB at Michigan. He had to share the position with Drew Henson. I like to remind a friend of mine, who is a real Michigan homer, that the UM coaches weren't smart enough to make the GOAT as a pro the full time starter in college.

Brady was clearly the better QB but Lloyd Carr forced in Henson out of fear of losing him to the Yankees, which ended up happening a few years later.

 

[New York Panther]

Brady was clearly the better QB but Lloyd Carr forced in Henson out of fear of losing him to the Yankees, which ended up happening a few years later.

But there was a dramatic difference in Brady's development in just one year's time, from his senior year in college to his rookie year in the pros. Coming out of college, he was good enough to only be a sixth round draft choice. But he was quickly able to take over first string as a rookie and to lead the Pats to the Super Bowl Championship. Big difference.

 

[cashisking884]

Brady was clearly the better QB but Lloyd Carr forced in Henson out of fear of losing him to the Yankees, which ended up happening a few years later.

That time seemed to be when recruiting rankings were really starting to take off. It’s not like it is today, but people knew that Henson was the number 1 QB recruit in the country. He was a “franchise” QB. And I think coaches struggled with what to do with these guys that were just not a name on a roster to the public.

Mack Brown had the same issue with Chris Simms and Major Applewhite during that time. And it played out much the same way.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

I'm not sure Brady was clearly the consensus better QB when those 2 were competing especially early on.

Brady was a late bloomer and continued to improve even 10 years into the NFL.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Miami: Kelly, Kosar, Vinny, Walsh, Ericson.

When did Toretta come in? He won the Heisman too, right?

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

When did Toretta come in? He won the Heisman too, right?

He was right after Ericson. I forgot about him since he never played in the NFL, but I should have remembered him since he married a girl from Boardman, Ohio.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I would think USC would have to be up there with Carson Palmer, Matt Leinert, Matt Bradley, Mark Sanchez, Cody Kessler and Sam D’Arnold. Four first round draft choices, a 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder.

Oklahoma right?
Josh Heupel, Jason White (Heisman), Rhett Bomar, Sam Bradford #1 overall, Landry Jones, Baker Mayfield (Heisman/#1 overall), Kyler Murray (Heisman/#1 overall), Jalen Hurts, Spencer Rattler and Caleb Williams.

 

[jivecat]

Oklahoma right?
Josh Heupel, Jason White (Heisman), Rhett Bomar, Sam Bradford #1 overall, Landry Jones, Baker Mayfield (Heisman/#1 overall), Kyler Murray (Heisman/#1 overall), Jalen Hurts, Spencer Rattler and Caleb Williams.

Ha...I hate you for putting this list together.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Ha...I hate you for putting this list together.

Yeah...i know. But it is quite a list.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Earl Bruce was scared of Kosar's mechanics. It turned away a lot of coaches in the rust belt area but the warm weather schools like UCLA, Florida and Miami recruited Bernie because he was fantastic at Boardman.

I graduated from Boardman 10 years after Kosar did and every day I walked into the school I saw his plaque with his passing yards stats of 2,222. He would have had way more but his junior year there was a teachers' strike and the Spartans played few games.

It wasn't until the last 10 years that I did some digging and found out how Kosar very much wanted to go to Pitt. He loved Marino, wanted to succeed him, and wanted to stay close to his family so they could see him play.

I found a Chicago-Sun Times article online from 1984 the week Pitt was playing Miami and it went in-depth on how Kosar wanted to go to Pitt. Foge urged Jackie to recruit Kosar but Sherrill refused after what recruits said above: he allotted his two QB scholarships elsewhere. A terrible parting gift from Jackie as I was never a Congemi guy. Small, brittle and a mediocre passer.

Pitt stays as a 9-2 program with Kosar IMO. A little side note, when Boardman coaches knew what it had in Kosar they went down to U of Cincinnati and studied Mike Gottfried's passing offense and implemented it at Boardman.

Yeah, the heir apparent to Marino was supposed to be Rich Bowen from Serra. Also in that class was Chris Jelic (who I think his Dad was a big booster or something) and John Congemi. Plus even though my memory is foggy I believe at the time it was a small class, maybe only 16-18 spots available.

So kind of a numbers game but technically Foge took over and may have had time to recruit/sign Kosar if he really wanted, even with the Bowen commit. But I agree for all the greatness of Sherrill that was one time his fastball was off.