A lot of great factions. The Hart Foundation 1997 held almost all the gold. Thought the Nation of Domination was underrated; an aggressive Farooq and young Rock made it legit.
OT: Greatest Tag Teams of All Time
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Re: factions: 1997's Hart Foundation takes the cake for me as the best of these and the high point of Bret Hart's career. The thing with the Horsemen is that they went through so many iterations that it's hard to have a completely sunny view of them. Some of those iterations are probably better than the Hart Foundation, and some had Paul Roma involved. There's only one iteration of the Hart Foundation as a stable, and it had Bret Hart on top of his game and Owen Hart as a strong #2. At this point in their careers, it's hard for me to say that they weren't better than Flair and Arn- maybe it wasn't Owen's peak as a performer, but it wasn't like Owen Hart had too many bad matches ever. Pillman was past his peak (actually, he was nearer his peak when he was a Horseman!) but Bulldog was a solid #3 or #4 - depends on where you rank him with Pillman at that time in his career- than, say, the Nation of Domination ever had. Neidhart as your fifth guy is not a bad fifth guy at all, but you obviously don't want him higher. #3 and #4 of the Horsemen were certainly better than this in their best iterations, but this may be a diminishing returns sort of thing after the first two- it really depends on your point of view and I'd accept either stance.
They even had a few defining matches, most notably the Calgary Stampede 10 man tag match, but Bret vs. Undertaker at Summerslam 97 is what made me a fan of that era of wrestling for life- gotta confess I haven't watched in almost 10 years now.
The best iterations of the Four Horsemen had to be better at the time, but they sort of dragged their legacy through the mud to the point that they're "just" number 2 for me. Flair had plenty of classic matches, so did the Minnesota Wrecking Crew, but don't bring up their alliance match with the Dungeon of Doom, please.
I didn't watch much WCW at that time (again, was a Bret Hart fan) but the NWO always seemed overly bloated after you got past the initial 3 or 4 guys. Definitely influential and something everyone remembers, though. But what's the best NWO match? Isn't it Bash at the Beach 96, which is, you know, a tag match?
They even had a few defining matches, most notably the Calgary Stampede 10 man tag match, but Bret vs. Undertaker at Summerslam 97 is what made me a fan of that era of wrestling for life- gotta confess I haven't watched in almost 10 years now.
The best iterations of the Four Horsemen had to be better at the time, but they sort of dragged their legacy through the mud to the point that they're "just" number 2 for me. Flair had plenty of classic matches, so did the Minnesota Wrecking Crew, but don't bring up their alliance match with the Dungeon of Doom, please.
I didn't watch much WCW at that time (again, was a Bret Hart fan) but the NWO always seemed overly bloated after you got past the initial 3 or 4 guys. Definitely influential and something everyone remembers, though. But what's the best NWO match? Isn't it Bash at the Beach 96, which is, you know, a tag match?
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@Joe the Panther Fan
The talks show reviewing the 1st 2 seasons starts tonight if interested. And if not interested it still starts tonight.
9pm still on Vice
Damn, I just looked and for some reason Vice seems to no longer be a part of my DirecTV package. I wonder when that happened?
Speaking of Bret Hart. Who remember this?
I was at that Raw. I've never heard a crowd snap like they did after he said that.
I was at that one, too. I was a kid and my faith in Bret was unshakeable. I blamed the American wrestling fans for his behavior and noted how he was still cheered everywhere else. My friend I went with turned on him at that line, though.
Didn't the crowd start chanting "Here We Go Steelers" at or around that point?
Didn't the crowd start chanting "Here We Go Steelers" at or around that point?
They did. Bret kept talking through it but it was so loud you couldn't understand anything he said.
At this point I think it's obvious that the greatest tag team of all time would be two random peleton guys.
Wrestling's outcome is scripted.
Most of the matches are scripted.
Sometimes the match is adlibed or portions of it are.
The bumps do hurt.
If there was a Pantherlair Survivor Series (4 person tag team), who would be on your team?
I'm going with Pitt79, PittPoker, and DelPanther. We'd be the heels.
gary2, pittbball80, and WeaverIsComing, and Gunga_Galunga would be the MAGA team
The Panthers, Recruits, Swervin, and DT would be the fan-favorites
I'm going with Pitt79, PittPoker, and DelPanther. We'd be the heels.
gary2, pittbball80, and WeaverIsComing, and Gunga_Galunga would be the MAGA team
The Panthers, Recruits, Swervin, and DT would be the fan-favorites
it's fake in the sense that most of the moves would knock someone out or cripple them or kill them if done 'for real'
used to be most guys worked at least a little stiff because it looks like garbage if you dont... like most wrestling looks today because very few guys work even a little stiff now
Former Pitt football player Matt Bloom aka Prince Albert, Albert, A-Train and Lord Tensai. He partnered with Test. Prince Albert was a two-time tag-team champion.
He had a whole slew of cool ring names: Baldo, Big Buford, Giant Bernard, Jason Albert, Rusher Road and Sweet T.
Until recently, pro wrestling wasn't as scripted as most people believe. Yes, the winners were pre-determined. But it was mostly ad hoc, other than hitting a few "spots" in the match. Now, it looks more like synchronized dancing and is pretty much unwatchable. The moves are "cooler," but they require an amount of participation from both parties that make them look ridiculously fake. And the entire matches are scripted now.
Jumpin Johnny was a close friend of my late father. The only guest at my wedding with a wikipedia page. RIP Johnny.
Amen, As I stated earlier the guys today are way more athletic then the guys from the 70s, 80s, & 90s. But so what. All they do are these high flying gymnastic moves with no rhyme or reason. They don't understand the psychology that made us fans care even though we all knew it was "fake" /scripted. The worst thing about todays wrestling is the complete no sell. Oh in a matter of 10 seconds you get hit by a Body slam, DDT, Powerbomb, and stunner, yet you get up right away to start running and jumping around for 10 more minutes, Get out of here with that crap.
Chief Jay Strongbow used to use getting beat up to launch him into his war dance.
I had a ton of fun traveling with a good friend who wrestled to his matches. Did a day or two of practicing as well. Afterwards, I disliked the term fake. They are getting slammed. They are getting hit. They are flying off the top buckle. At least at his level, what impressed me was the in-match improvisation. They had very little rehearsal time. A quick agreement in the start and finish was really all they had to go on and they worked hard to give the people a good show.
My brother was a councilman in a small borough, I went with him once to a retreat at 7 Springs for the current political people, Johnny was there as Allegheny County Councilman, I met him, very cool guy, still had the wrestler persona, dressed in all black like Johnny Cash, with rhinestone sunglasses and slicked back black hair.
