OT: Hear Me Out

[RaleighPittFan]

In all honesty, I don't see any model working without the NFL stamp on it. A developmental league, if you will.

But, they have no need to make that billion dollar plus investment when college football does that for free.

Any "wrassler" league is doomed to fail, and I can't see them getting off the ground.

 

[Pitt79]

I'd like to see all pro sports in the US have minor leagues with promotion/relegation, but there is no motivation right now for the owners who already own teams to do so and risk relegation.

Browns would be in Monroeville Pop Warner by now.

 

[happjack]

All college sports are inferior to the pro product of that sport. That isn’t the main issue. The key is convincing people to be attached to their team and have an allegiance to it. Can he convince people to spend money on the team, and turn on the TV to watch it?

Vince McMahon has never been able to convince people to spend money on something that's not Pro Wrestling or as he call it "Sports Entertainment" what makes you think he can get people to have allegiance to the Omaha Outlawzzzz or Birmingham WFL/USFL/CFL/Arena Football/XFL/UFLers? Being more "patriotic" and violent than the NFL of NCAA isn't going to do that.

37 of the top 50 shows on tv in 2017 were NFL broadcasts, ratings have been going down for the NFL the past few years, just like they have for all of broadcast and cable television,I don't see how a niche version of pro football will be able to survive when the amount of eye balls watching tv is way way down compared to the XFL1.0.

 

[Pitt79]

Any "wrassler" league is doomed to fail, and I can't see them getting off the ground.

No WWE BS, have a serious hipster league, if you will, like what I've described a less anal, faster, less controlled version of traditional football. You can play football without refs huddling in the middle of the field every third play.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

CFL and Arena is more fun in person in a sense but I think the slow nature of the NFL with all the commercials and replays sort of works for TV because people spend a lot of the time "watching" the game while actually making snacks, drinking beer, talking to their friends, checking their twitter accounts, arguing about those replays forever, and so on.

I don't like it, but a lot of people seem to think its some sort of great TV experience, especially thanks to big/wide screen HDTV.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

No WWE BS, have a serious hipster league, if you will, like what I've described a less anal, faster, less controlled version of traditional football. You can play football without refs huddling in the middle of the field every third play.

7 on 7 with beards and skinny pants?

 

[Wagyu Beef]

I heard it was going to be a league of 6 teams and would consist of kids out of high school that do not want to go to college but would rather earn a paycheck for the 2 years they have to wait until they can turn pro. It will be interesting to see which kids end up not going to college, maybe Robert Foster? perhaps many players who have been recruited over leave college completely and enter that developmental league instead of waiting for eligibility. Perhaps so many students leaving will cause the NCAA to change their rules. I think if the games are competitive people will tune in.


QUOTE="RaleighPittFan, post: 2150396, member: 44234"]In all honesty, I don't see any model working without the NFL stamp on it. A developmental league, if you will.

But, they have no need to make that billion dollar plus investment when college football does that for free.

Any "wrassler" league is doomed to fail, and I can't see them getting off the ground.[/QUOTE]

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Lawrenceville American Football Club (LA FC) vs. the Silver Lake Craft Warriors

Winner plays Fort Greene Gentrifers

 

[HailtoPitt]

did not know respecting the anthem of one's nation was a left/right issue. Used to be a simple unifying gesture for a minute and a half..I'm guessing you (and everyone on this forum) would be butthurt if a Pitt player announced his high school alma mater on Monday night football instead of Pitt (correct?) during player introductions but would get a pass on not rising to honor America with the playing of the anthem by some. Interesting.

Grrr.

 

[ChazzMo]

Don’t you think football is over exposed as it is? Isn’t the market pretty well saturated?

 

[RaleighPittFan]

I heard it was going to be a league of 6 teams and would consist of kids out of high school that do not want to go to college but would rather earn a paycheck for the 2 years they have to wait until they can turn pro. It will be interesting to see which kids end up not going to college, maybe Robert Foster? perhaps many players who have been recruited over leave college completely and enter that developmental league instead of waiting for eligibility. Perhaps so many students leaving will cause the NCAA to change their rules. I think if the games are competitive people will tune in.


QUOTE="RaleighPittFan, post: 2150396, member: 44234"]In all honesty, I don't see any model working without the NFL stamp on it. A developmental league, if you will.

But, they have no need to make that billion dollar plus investment when college football does that for free.


Any "wrassler" league is doomed to fail, and I can't see them getting off the ground.

[/QUOTE]


That sounds like a model that was discussed about a year ago. The idea was to have teams within a bus ride away, IE, So Cal or Central Florida.

 

[Pitt79]

CFL and Arena is more fun in person in a sense but I think the slow nature of the NFL with all the commercials and replays sort of works for TV because people spend a lot of the time "watching" the game while actually making snacks, drinking beer, talking to their friends, checking their twitter accounts, arguing about those replays forever, and so on.

I don't like it, but a lot of people seem to think its some sort of great TV experience, especially thanks to big/wide screen HDTV.

CFL is better, way less ref involvement and less replay. Arena Football is absolutely fun if you go in person and sit close to the field. The reason I'd be open to a new league would be to get away from commercials and replay if that was possible.

 

[Franb]

CFL is better, way less ref involvement and less replay. Arena Football is absolutely fun if you go in person and sit close to the field. The reason I'd be open to a new league would be to get away from commercials and replay if that was possible.

And if the new league was to become successful, you would see those same commercials and replays.

 

[BradlyPitt]

nobody will be interested in watching inferior players anymore than they are interested in watching arena or D2 football

vince is an egomaniac and he just can't live with the fact the XFL failed

he should concentrate more on creating the next rock or stone cold steve auston, those characters made it ok to admit you watch wrestling

 

[DiehardPanther]

What is preventing McMahon from offering 18 year old stars big contracts? The way the NFL is set up only a certain amount of rookies make bank right off the bat. Maybe he offers football stars between 18-22 an avenue to make a few million without having to attend college.

 

[BradlyPitt]

What is preventing McMahon from offering 18 year old stars big contracts? The way the NFL is set up only a certain amount of rookies make bank right off the bat. Maybe he offers football stars between 18-22 an avenue to make a few million without having to attend college.

he didn't pay the xfl guys that much money, i think they were paid based on whether they won or lost a game

he's not as rich as an nfl owner, he's barely a billionaire

 

[djbpitt]

I read a week ago or so that Vince McMahan was planning on attempting to create a “new” football league. This made me think and this is where the hear me out part comes in...say he or anyone makes a league. It could be cities, states, small metro areas, etc.... The teams main targets could be elite/solid/good HS players, free agents from the NFL and just college players that could never go pro... The thing is these HS kids could be getting paid big money fresh outta school.(even though some are)....But I’m saying big bucks, millions....Like I said I read this article and was just thinking about that...I don’t see this happening at all but I’m all seriousness it could be a profitable league, especially if they could pick off some big current NFL talent...Anyone else see this article or have any thoughts about this? This is basically an off-season thread to get people talking.

Bring back Rod "He Hate Me" Smart!

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

As long as everyone is standing for the anthem and singing it at full throat, I don’t care who gets his spinal cord severed or who gets retarded for life, I’m all in.

To me it’s all about respect for the flag. I don’t care who beats up his wife or girlfriend or sexually assaults some child. As long as he does it in the most patriotic way possible, count me in.

Maybe between the quarters we can do Lee Greenwood related trivia contests?

Also, all of the teams have to wear red white and blue or camouflage green or brown. Make it super patriotic! Every single team will be named something military related or America related.

This will show those pinko commie bastards from the NFL!

“Tonight‘s game is between the Louisville Border Walls and the Portland PTSD’s.”

“It’s a huge game for the ‘Walls.’ If they win tonight, next week they’ll square off against the winner of the West Virginia Water Boarders and the Washington Reagans.”

I can’t wait!

 

[Pitt79]

As long as everyone is standing for the anthem and singing it at full throat, I don’t care who gets his spinal cord severed or who gets retarded for life, I’m all in.

To me it’s all about respect for the flag. I don’t care who beats up his wife or girlfriend or sexually assaults some child. As long as he does it in the most patriotic way possible, count me in.

Maybe between the quarters we can do Lee Greenwood related trivia contests?

Also, all of the teams have to wear red white and blue or camouflage green or brown. Make it super patriotic! Every single team will be named something military related or America related.

This will show those pinko commie bastards from the NFL!

“Tonight‘s game is between the Louisville Border Walls and the Memphis Blackhawk Helicopters.

“It’s a huge game for the ‘Hels.’ If they win tonight, next week they’ll square off against the winner of the West Virginia Water Boarders and the Washington Reagans.”

I can’t wait!

It seems sarcastic, but I bet there would be a market for that. I bet they could have a game of the week on Fox News and also on CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network), Get Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Rielly as color commentators, Pat Robertson and Jim Bakker in the Studio, talking about how last weeks big upset was God's wrath for the outing of a gay employee on one of the teams, put the teams in Red State, mid size hillbilly cities like Huntsville, AL or Shreveport, LA. Have the Anthem, God Bless America and a Prayer before each game, a sermon, gospel singing and a patriotic display at halftime. Should I contact McMahon about getting this done?

 

[HailtoPitt]

As long as everyone is standing for the anthem and singing it at full throat, I don’t care who gets his spinal cord severed or who gets retarded for life, I’m all in.

To me it’s all about respect for the flag. I don’t care who beats up his wife or girlfriend or sexually assaults some child. As long as he does it in the most patriotic way possible, count me in.

Maybe between the quarters we can do Lee Greenwood related trivia contests?

Also, all of the teams have to wear red white and blue or camouflage green or brown. Make it super patriotic! Every single team will be named something military related or America related.

This will show those pinko commie bastards from the NFL!

“Tonight‘s game is between the Louisville Border Walls and the Memphis Blackhawk Helicopters.

“It’s a huge game for the ‘Hels.’ If they win tonight, next week they’ll square off against the winner of the West Virginia Water Boarders and the Washington Reagans.”

I can’t wait!

Pretty much dead on. Players have done disgusting things. The minute some of them kneel for the anthem, "That's it I'm done!"

 

[Pitt79]

Actually as a person who doesn't give a crap at all about the anthem BS and still likes the NFL, I like that the NFL's popularity is taking a hit! I say STAY AWAY to those people who are boycotting, I WANT less demand for the NFL, because it's strong enough to remain in business, but taking a hit in demand will help the remaining fans with cheaper and more available tickets, maybe cheaper TV packages if NFL Ticket nosedives! Stay away, Boycott, thank you.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

As long as everyone is standing for the anthem and singing it at full throat, I don’t care who gets his spinal cord severed or who gets retarded for life, I’m all in.

To me it’s all about respect for the flag. I don’t care who beats up his wife or girlfriend or sexually assaults some child. As long as he does it in the most patriotic way possible, count me in.

Maybe between the quarters we can do Lee Greenwood related trivia contests?

Also, all of the teams have to wear red white and blue or camouflage green or brown. Make it super patriotic! Every single team will be named something military related or America related.

This will show those pinko commie bastards from the NFL!

“Tonight‘s game is between the Louisville Border Walls and the Portland PTSD’s.”

“It’s a huge game for the ‘Walls.’ If they win tonight, next week they’ll square off against the winner of the West Virginia Water Boarders and the Washington Reagans.”

I can’t wait!

Yes, this is what I'm saying. I think a league like that could work.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

As long as everyone is standing for the anthem and singing it at full throat, I don’t care who gets his spinal cord severed or who gets retarded for life, I’m all in.

To me it’s all about respect for the flag. I don’t care who beats up his wife or girlfriend or sexually assaults some child. As long as he does it in the most patriotic way possible, count me in.

Maybe between the quarters we can do Lee Greenwood related trivia contests?

Also, all of the teams have to wear red white and blue or camouflage green or brown. Make it super patriotic! Every single team will be named something military related or America related.

This will show those pinko commie bastards from the NFL!

“Tonight‘s game is between the Louisville Border Walls and the Memphis Blackhawk Helicopters.

“It’s a huge game for the ‘Hels.’ If they win tonight, next week they’ll square off against the winner of the West Virginia Water Boarders and the Washington Reagans.”

I can’t wait!

It seems sarcastic, but I bet there would be a market for that. I bet they could have a game of the week on Fox News and also on CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network), Get Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Rielly as color commentators, Pat Robertson and Jim Bakker in the Studio, talking about how last weeks big upset was God's wrath for the outing of a gay employee on one of the teams, put the teams in Red State, mid size hillbilly cities like Huntsville, AL or Shreveport, LA. Have the Anthem, God Bless America and a Prayer before each game, a sermon, gospel singing and a patriotic display at halftime. Should I contact McMahon about getting this done?

Exactly. I'm not kidding. I think a league like that would do well. Combine politics with football. Portray the NFL as the liberal bad guys. I cant see a conventional league working. They have to think way outside the box. I mean Vince actually did this in a way when he would slam "Billionaire Ted" and WCW. He already has it in the playbook. And I'll be honest, I'd watch it purely for the comedic value

 

[Pitt79]

Exactly. I'm not kidding. I think a league like that would do well. Combine politics with football. Portray the NFL as the liberal bad guys. I cant see a conventional league working. They have to think way outside the box. I mean Vince actually did this in a way when he would slam "Billionaire Ted" and WCW. He already has it in the playbook. And I'll be honest, I'd watch it purely for the comedic value

And get all good ole boy, Billy Bob ex high school and college coaches from the south! sign all the near local good ole boys who didn't make the NFL, especially the white boys, and the openly Christian, former military too, Tim Tebow would be the 1st big signing of a team and the top QB and face of the league, maybe in Pensacola near Bama, Florida but more like the real South. Nobody would care about his passing mechanics if he came out on the field waving a US flag, then knelt at the 50 yard line to pray before standing for the anthem with his hand over his heart and a tear in his eye!

 

[Pitt79]

That would seem like a comedy or a parody to us, but a lot of Americans, especially in certain parts of the country would love it, be all emotional, have orgasms over it. LOL.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Exactly. I'm not kidding. I think a league like that would do well. Combine politics with football. Portray the NFL as the liberal bad guys. I cant see a conventional league working. They have to think way outside the box. I mean Vince actually did this in a way when he would slam "Billionaire Ted" and WCW. He already has it in the playbook. And I'll be honest, I'd watch it purely for the comedic value

And get all good ole boy, Billy Bob ex high school and college coaches from the south! sign all the near local good ole boys who didn't make the NFL, especially the white boys, and the openly Christian, former military too, Tim Tebow would be the 1st big signing of a team and the top QB and face of the league, maybe in Pensacola near Bama, Florida but more like the real South. Nobody would care about his passing mechanics if he came out on the field waving a US flag, then knelt at the 50 yard line to pray before standing for the anthem with his hand over his heart and a tear in his eye!

Actually, the Tim Tebow idea is fantastic. The rest of it, you are being sarcastic.

 

[Pitt79]

Actually, the Tim Tebow idea is fantastic. The rest of it, you are being sarcastic.

This part, I'm serious, "those people" would love the optics of this! And if Tebow didn't want to play, have him be a coach, or even commissioner, his presence would sell this. Think about how many comments are pro Tebow, gushing with love on social media, no matter how mediocre he is as a pro athlete.

"And get all good ole boy, Billy Bob ex high school and college coaches from the south! sign all the near local good ole boys who didn't make the NFL, especially the white boys, and the openly Christian, former military too, Tim Tebow would be the 1st big signing of a team and the top QB and face of the league"

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I could never understand the Tebow thing? It was very obvious, even when he was at Florida, that he couldn’t throw the football. Like there was no debate about that whatsoever.

However, even when he was in the NFL the analysis was so strangely off-base. He just wasn’t an NFL caliber player and yet, for some reason nobody seemed willing to say it.

It was only after years and years that I realized that this was a Christian conservative thing and had nothing to do with actual football analysis.

People wanted him to be great, so therefore he was great (even though he very clearly wasn’t). It was so, so strange.

Even now, he’s doing commercials wearing his Florida football jersey. The man has to be north of 30 years old at this point and he is still doing commercials wearing a Gators jersey? I am sorry but that is absolutely bizarre!

It would be like Larry Fitzgerald doing commercials wearing his Pitt football jersey. Yes, he played here but he is well past that stage of his life.

 

[Pitt79]

Even now, he’s doing commercials wearing his Florida football jersey. The man has to be north of 30 years old at this point and he is still doing commercials wearing a Gators jersey? I am sorry but that is absolutely bizarre!

It would be like Larry Fitzgerald doing commercials wearing his Pitt football jersey. Yes, he played here but he is well past that stage of his life.

FLORIDA was the highlight of his sports career. But people want him to be out there, mostly because he prays in public. That's why he's 30 years old and filling minor league baseball stadiums with teams full of 19 year old kids.

 

[happjack]

I could never understand the Tebow thing? It was very obvious, even when he was at Florida, that he couldn’t throw the football. Like there was no debate about that whatsoever.

However, even when he was in the NFL the analysis was so strangely off-base. He just wasn’t NFL caliber player if for some reason nobody seemed willing to say it.

It was only after years and years that I realized that this was a Christian conservative thing and had nothing to do with actual football analysis.

People wanted him to be great, so therefore he was great (even though he wasn’t). It was so, so strange.

Even now, he’s doing commercials wearing his Florida football jersey. The man has to be north of 30 years old at this point and he is still doing commercials wearing a Gators jersey? I am sorry but that is absolutely bizarre!

It would be like Larry Fitzgerald doing commercials wearing his Pitt football jersey. Yes, he played here but he is well past that stage of his life.

If he would have agreed to be converted to a Tight End he'd still be in the league but TE's don't get money into the collection plate like QB's do.

 

[Pitt79]

If he would have agreed to be converted to a Tight End he'd still be in the league but TE's don't get money into the collection plate like QB's do.

NFL minimum is better than Class A baseball.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I could never understand the Tebow thing? It was very obvious, even when he was at Florida, that he couldn’t throw the football. Like there was no debate about that whatsoever.

However, even when he was in the NFL the analysis was so strangely off-base. He just wasn’t an NFL caliber player and yet, for some reason nobody seemed willing to say it.

It was only after years and years that I realized that this was a Christian conservative thing and had nothing to do with actual football analysis.

People wanted him to be great, so therefore he was great (even though he very clearly wasn’t). It was so, so strange.

Even now, he’s doing commercials wearing his Florida football jersey. The man has to be north of 30 years old at this point and he is still doing commercials wearing a Gators jersey? I am sorry but that is absolutely bizarre!

It would be like Larry Fitzgerald doing commercials wearing his Pitt football jersey. Yes, he played here but he is well past that stage of his life.

Tim Tebow is a brand. Personally, I love and respect the guy. I don't know how anyone couldn't.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I could never understand the Tebow thing? It was very obvious, even when he was at Florida, that he couldn’t throw the football. Like there was no debate about that whatsoever.

However, even when he was in the NFL the analysis was so strangely off-base. He just wasn’t NFL caliber player if for some reason nobody seemed willing to say it.

It was only after years and years that I realized that this was a Christian conservative thing and had nothing to do with actual football analysis.

People wanted him to be great, so therefore he was great (even though he wasn’t). It was so, so strange.

Even now, he’s doing commercials wearing his Florida football jersey. The man has to be north of 30 years old at this point and he is still doing commercials wearing a Gators jersey? I am sorry but that is absolutely bizarre!

It would be like Larry Fitzgerald doing commercials wearing his Pitt football jersey. Yes, he played here but he is well past that stage of his life.

If he would have agreed to be converted to a Tight End he'd still be in the league but TE's don't get money into the collection plate like QB's do.

No, he believes he's a QB and won't accept people telling him he's not. He even transferred high schools because his HS coach didn't want to play him at QB. Its QB or nothing for him.

 

[BFo8]

Any new league such as this would automatically have Tebow, Manziel, RG3, and Kaepernick as starting QB’s. It would be stupid not to.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I could never understand the Tebow thing? It was very obvious, even when he was at Florida, that he couldn’t throw the football. Like there was no debate about that whatsoever.

However, even when he was in the NFL the analysis was so strangely off-base. He just wasn’t an NFL caliber player and yet, for some reason nobody seemed willing to say it.

It was only after years and years that I realized that this was a Christian conservative thing and had nothing to do with actual football analysis.

People wanted him to be great, so therefore he was great (even though he very clearly wasn’t). It was so, so strange.

Even now, he’s doing commercials wearing his Florida football jersey. The man has to be north of 30 years old at this point and he is still doing commercials wearing a Gators jersey? I am sorry but that is absolutely bizarre!

It would be like Larry Fitzgerald doing commercials wearing his Pitt football jersey. Yes, he played here but he is well past that stage of his life.

Tim Tebow is a brand. Personally, I love and respect the guy. I don't know how anyone couldn't.

You can love and respect the guy and still acknowledge that he is not an NFL caliber quarterback. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive ideas.

I know a lot of guys who are absolutely wonderful people. They do charity work, go to church, provide for their families, are faithful to their wives, etc. However, none of them would be good NFL quarterbacks either.

The blatant dishonesty is what most bothers me.

 

[President Stache]

This whole thread is a good one. Good ideas and all, especially the Lee Greenwood trivia idea!

I was watching that million dollar basketball contest that is on ESPN, and the old Pitt guys had a team with Wannamaker and all those guys, and they played awesome. I was thinking the same thing, that a league like that may work. Just guys from the college playing in a national league. People may pay for that.... but they wont pay ALOT. Which is what happened to the USFL. Worked great, had its moments, but people only have so much spending money, and they werent filling the stadium in many cities, and doing very poorly in others.

I think a good idea for semi-pro league. Have former players playing. Could work

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I could never understand the Tebow thing? It was very obvious, even when he was at Florida, that he couldn’t throw the football. Like there was no debate about that whatsoever.

However, even when he was in the NFL the analysis was so strangely off-base. He just wasn’t an NFL caliber player and yet, for some reason nobody seemed willing to say it.

It was only after years and years that I realized that this was a Christian conservative thing and had nothing to do with actual football analysis.

People wanted him to be great, so therefore he was great (even though he very clearly wasn’t). It was so, so strange.

Even now, he’s doing commercials wearing his Florida football jersey. The man has to be north of 30 years old at this point and he is still doing commercials wearing a Gators jersey? I am sorry but that is absolutely bizarre!

It would be like Larry Fitzgerald doing commercials wearing his Pitt football jersey. Yes, he played here but he is well past that stage of his life.

Tim Tebow is a brand. Personally, I love and respect the guy. I don't know how anyone couldn't.

You can love and respect the guy and still acknowledge that he is not an NFL caliber quarterback. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive ideas.

I know a lot of guys who are absolutely wonderful people. They do charity work, go to church, provide for their families, are faithful to their wives, etc. However, none of them would be good NFL quarterbacks either.

The blatant dishonesty is what most bothers me.

For the longest time, I thought Tebow was getting a raw deal but after being cut by the Eagles and Pats, I now realize he was not an NFL caliber QB

 

[BFo8]

For the longest time, I thought Tebow was getting a raw deal but after being cut by the Eagles and Pats, I now realize he was not an NFL caliber QB

I would maybe argue that he would’ve been a capable enough backup QB, but not nearly so much as to make it worth the circus.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

He can’t throw.

 

[BFo8]

He can’t throw.

No, he pretty much can’t. However he did seem to show enough speed to not fall apart and blow a game if the starter got hurt. I thought he showed enough ability running the ball and managing a game that he would be no worse than some of the backups in the league. Also appeared to have the confidence andrespect of his fellow players as well.

But, yeah he doesn’t throw the ball well enough to be on the field for any real length of time. Certainly not at tight end, didnt have the athletic ability imo to be able to really play any other position.