OT: Mason Rudolph to start

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Has anything actually changed that much? Look at this list and count the busts:

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

I think it's just more obvious now, because these guys are coming from more aerial offenses in high school/college and being asked to do it sooner, whereas before they were sitting for a bit and would eventually either just never start or be given a chance to start and kind of fade into irrelevance. But it seems like the bust rate has always been high.

i agree with your last paragraph. NFL qbs are coming from one read, RPO, simplistic offenses into complicated NFL offenses and asked to play right away.

NFL Coaches would def have their rookie qb on the bench for a year but fans (and ownership) are forcing them to win NOW or we'll replace you so they are pressured to play their first rd "franchise QB" before they are ready and it's just a domino effect.. its a recipe for disaster.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

i agree with your last paragraph. NFL qbs are coming from one read, RPO, simplistic offenses into complicated NFL offenses and asked to play right away.

NFL Coaches would def have their rookie qb on the bench for a year but fans (and ownership) are forcing them to win NOW or we'll replace you so they are pressured to play their first rd "franchise QB" before they are ready and it's just a domino effect.. its a recipe for disaster.

That's some of it, but a lot of these pro offenses are now starting to emulate college offenses. If anything, I think it's the defenses that have gotten too complex for many QBs to succeed. Like, Mahomes stats' look pretty pedestrian right now. 235 yards/game, 8 touchdowns, 9 interceptions. If a rookie did that we'd be calling him a bust.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Mason has been proving why he is a backup qb so far .

 

[pittdan77]

That's some of it, but a lot of these pro offenses are now starting to emulate college offenses. If anything, I think it's the defenses that have gotten too complex for many QBs to succeed. Like, Mahomes stats' look pretty pedestrian right now. 235 yards/game, 8 touchdowns, 9 interceptions. If a rookie did that we'd be calling him a bust.

Not sure it's the complexity but the speed with which players are doing the complex things. I think NFL QB's are asked to do some very difficult things and few are good enough to be consistent at doing those things.

 

[bobfree]

i agree with your last paragraph. NFL qbs are coming from one read, RPO, simplistic offenses into complicated NFL offenses and asked to play right away.

NFL Coaches would def have their rookie qb on the bench for a year but fans (and ownership) are forcing them to win NOW or we'll replace you so they are pressured to play their first rd "franchise QB" before they are ready and it's just a domino effect.. its a recipe for disaster.

Sure but Ohio States offense was the same for Fields as it was Stroud, right?

You have to be accurate and you have to be able to see downfield under pressure

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Not sure it's the complexity but the speed with which players are doing the complex things. I think NFL QB's are asked to do some very difficult things and few are good enough to be consistent at doing those things.

This is going to sound extremely dumb, so bear with me. But a big part of why I like college more now is that I can see the routes that are "there." I want to see a an OC scheme a guy open, see the receiver run the route and get open, see the QB make the read and put the throw where it needs to be, etc.

Oftentimes in the NFL, it seems like it's so damn hard to get open that QBs are being taught to just throw to the guy who is in 1 on 1 coverage and ask him to make a contested catch. That's fine, but it just has an element of luck to me that I don't love. It's one of the reasons I don't like hockey: guys just dump shit at the net and sometimes it gets deflected in, sometimes it doesn't.

I totally get that I'm talking about this stuff from a micro viewpoint and the macro tends to sort itself out. For example, throwing a bunch of 50/50 balls to Justin Jefferson is likely to yield results to a point where it's not really luck when he makes a play. It's just not the game I want to watch. Pro football players almost "outgrow" the playing field or something (due mostly to speed, not size), and the game is much less open.

 

[Steeltheone]

Mason has been proving why he is a backup qb so far .

He has faced Buffalo and Detroit off the bench. Both better than any team the Steelers have played.

 

[PittPharm2002]

He has faced Buffalo and Detroit off the bench. Both better than any team the Steelers have played.

And looked like a JV playing varsity.
By better you mean passing defense ?
Because it’s not what the stats say so far this season

 

[bobfree]

He has faced Buffalo and Detroit off the bench. Both better than any team the Steelers have played.

What do they Steelers have to do with him playing poorly?

 

[pittdan77]

This is going to sound extremely dumb, so bear with me. But a big part of why I like college more now is that I can see the routes that are "there." I want to see a an OC scheme a guy open, see the receiver run the route and get open, see the QB make the read and put the throw where it needs to be, etc.

Oftentimes in the NFL, it seems like it's so damn hard to get open that QBs are being taught to just throw to the guy who is in 1 on 1 coverage and ask him to make a contested catch. That's fine, but it just has an element of luck to me that I don't love. It's one of the reasons I don't like hockey: guys just dump shit at the net and sometimes it gets deflected in, sometimes it doesn't.

I totally get that I'm talking about this stuff from a micro viewpoint and the macro tends to sort itself out. For example, throwing a bunch of 50/50 balls to Justin Jefferson is likely to yield results to a point where it's not really luck when he makes a play. It's just not the game I want to watch. Pro football players almost "outgrow" the playing field or something (due mostly to speed, not size), and the game is much less open.

That doesn't sound dumb at all. I usually sit in the end zone deck at Acrisure for Steeler games. I recall Ben throwing deep down the sideline and thinking the WR had a couple of steps and nobody was going to challenge the catch. Watched in amazement as the safety closed in on the play with blinding speed. Pass incomplete. Just incredible what the athletes can do. You either have to fool them or put the ball into insanely small windows. You'd think there would have to be a way for offenses to succeed using more than just the skill of the QB to throw the ball into tiny windows.

 

[PittComm92]

i agree with your last paragraph. NFL qbs are coming from one read, RPO, simplistic offenses into complicated NFL offenses and asked to play right away.

NFL Coaches would def have their rookie qb on the bench for a year but fans (and ownership) are forcing them to win NOW or we'll replace you so they are pressured to play their first rd "franchise QB" before they are ready and it's just a domino effect.. its a recipe for disaster.

Finances are driving it more than pure win-now pressure IMO. Veteran QBs take up an enormous amount of cap space. So teams want to advantage of cheap rookie contracts from a competitiveness standpoint AND use as many of those cheap years as possible to evaluate QBs before they're up for their option years and second contracts. But if you ruin them in the process....