OT: Patriot news article on penn state big 10 progress under franklin
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I hope recruits looking at pitt and Penn state see jimmy's .375 winning percentage in conference play and his high profile wins or complete lack thereof. Looks like psu's propaganda papers are quickly turning on him
i hope JF is there for a long long time.
Yeah Yeah. I'm hip I'm hip. Yeah Yeah, that's the ticket. Oh Hell Yes. Hot Damn We Got A Winner......
You can say I am kind of keen to that thought.
HMMMMnnnn, at first I thought Jimmy Franky would do great but after seeing his coaching last year I mentioned way back then, that Franky's job is to beat Michigan, MSU and OSU and looks like a Sports Writer has come to the same conclusion a year later, and looks like it is a reality today!
Additionally, been posting that over and over with Penn State Posters that discuss Football on the Lair!
They can follow my lead again when I add Narduzzi and if O'Brien to Maryland is true, they will beat Jimmy Franky because he is not a a Game Day Coach! If Ruhle goes to Rutgers he will beat him or even if he stays at Temple?
His record at Vanderbilt was not as great as many think once seen closer! The Fact is the Big Ten Michigan and Ohio State have just as big Program as Penn State on Resources, Recruiting Camps, Salaries, Coaching Clinics as well as Notre Dame!
MSU, Iowa, NW, Wisconsin, Nebraska with better Coaching and if Maryland and Rutgers find Very Good Coaches, they will beat Franky more than Franky can beat them!
Soon, recruiting will go south and Franky will be poached as he poaches other Programs and wonder why he is not like or respected?
The Paterno Clan will continue to cause trouble at Penn State and undercut Franky too, wanting Jay Paterno to be named Head Coach, as part of any Settlement!
Franklin is in a pickle and like his frowns on the sidelines he is leaving a very sour taste in Fans in the Stands!
Recruits going there will have career ending coaching!
Joe is dead and in the ground and his last recruits will play their last game this week.
Yet, Franklin's dead spin coaching will bury him too in the Big Ten.
Can you imagine Micco letting a piece like this get through?
The Harrisburg paper has always been more critical of PSU than the PG.
The Harrisburg paper has always been more critical of PSU than the PG.
Micco would have eaten this piece like it was a jelly donut. I see 3 tiers in the Big10 & PS is in the 2nd their of the Big10 and closer to the bottom tier than the top tier. MSU will beat them by 25+
I doubt Fankin, Frankenfield, or whomever he is will be shooting his mouth off this off season.
The one that topped it all was his comment about there's to many D1 football programs in PA and maybe Temple should shut down their program. Lol!
It was a few months later and Temple whipped their butts.Ooops!
I too hope Franken, Frankenfield whomever he is stays forever at the Cow Pasture.
The one that topped it all was his comment about there's to many D1 football programs in PA and maybe Temple should shut down their program. Lol!
It was a few months later and Temple whipped their butts.Ooops!
I too hope Franken, Frankenfield whomever he is stays forever at the Cow Pasture.
TD_Nitter is already working on a rebuttal piece and will send it in to the editors of Penn Live. Don't you know that Franklin worked miracles at Vanderbilt? Sanctions are crippling him!!!
Totally agree, Franklin is horrible & will be outcoached on a regular basis by Harbaugh, Meyer & Dantonio. OBrien saved that program from becoming Purdue, I was real happy to see him move on.
If I remember some stats thrown out on this board Franklin was like 5-17 at Vandy against teams with a winning record.
Franklin is PSU’s version of DW. Good recruiter but bad coach. The lack of halftime adjustments looks eerily similar as well.
I didn't click on the article so I do not know who wrote it...but I am sure he/she is now banned on BWI.
Kind of funny seeing the Nitters eat their own. My god, the whining about the sanctions, they are lucky, they could have gotten shut down. They thought the removal of sanctions and restoring of wins would just automatically make PSU a football power. Wrong.
I am tired of hearing about these sanctions. Pitt has had what, 5 coaches since 2010 not counting interims? You don't think that has the net equivalent effect of sanctions? Including a guy brought in for 1 year that was completely playing and recruiting for a different system that we are playing now. They fired a guy who's staff then conspired against Pitt in recruiting to blow up that class. Yet. we hire a new coach and he may win 9 even 10 games. He went out and found a QB. We were stuck with ONE QB an no backups for 4 years!! We hire a coach who hires connected coordinators and we get a legit QB. And develop him.
Sure, Pitt lost to the best 3 teams it played, just like PSU (assuming they lose to Mich State), but they have beaten everyone else. They also played 5 of the first 7 games on the road, with a new coach, and didn't wilt. PSU has played 8 home games, and essentially 2 neutral site games and have struggled.
But man, they have excuses for everything. And now their local columnists are turning on them. Well maybe if some humility was brought from the start, the one thing BoB did was he tried to hold down expectations and was classy. I am glad he is gone, he might not be a ferocious recruiter, but he was hard to hate. Franklin is easy to hate.
I am tired of hearing about these sanctions. Pitt has had what, 5 coaches since 2010 not counting interims? You don't think that has the net equivalent effect of sanctions? Including a guy brought in for 1 year that was completely playing and recruiting for a different system that we are playing now. They fired a guy who's staff then conspired against Pitt in recruiting to blow up that class. Yet. we hire a new coach and he may win 9 even 10 games. He went out and found a QB. We were stuck with ONE QB an no backups for 4 years!! We hire a coach who hires connected coordinators and we get a legit QB. And develop him.
Sure, Pitt lost to the best 3 teams it played, just like PSU (assuming they lose to Mich State), but they have beaten everyone else. They also played 5 of the first 7 games on the road, with a new coach, and didn't wilt. PSU has played 8 home games, and essentially 2 neutral site games and have struggled.
But man, they have excuses for everything. And now their local columnists are turning on them. Well maybe if some humility was brought from the start, the one thing BoB did was he tried to hold down expectations and was classy. I am glad he is gone, he might not be a ferocious recruiter, but he was hard to hate. Franklin is easy to hate.
Franklins greatest win at Vandy came against UGA with 8 defensive starters out... I've said it before...if as a psu fan you are pointing to examples of his "great" coaching at Vandy now 2 years removed well that speaks for itself...
Penn State - Michigan
Hackenberg: 13-31 and 1 TD.
Can you say development.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Hackenberg: 13-31 and 1 TD.
Can you say development.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Now the wolves are starting to circle you have this article plus the one in today's PG. The layers are starting to get peeled back and people are starting to come to the same conclusion that Franklin is a lousy game day coach and is loyal to a fault with his staff. I'm telling you now on what I have stated on the other board he wants out of happy valley and he has told South Carolina that he would be interested. They told him no. Don't be shocked if he leaves this year if he can. He's unhappy and he doesn't want to fire his buddies on the staff.
Maybe because his coaching buddies know where all of the skeletons are buried...?
Patriot News Writers David Jones and Bob Flounders are very good and tell it like it is. The fan base doesn't like it. They are anything but PSU hacks and cheerleaders. Jones is an outstanding writer in my opinion, on college basketball too. He finds ways to weave in good stories from the past as well about old players, coaches and rivalries, football & basketball.
He is originally from Columbus Ohio so that is constantly harped on. I moved out here in 1994 and he has been here since at least then, so its not like he moved into the PSU area last year. Both these guys have been skeptical of Franklin from the beginning. Jones especially has brought up poor schedules at Vanderbilt, poor coaching, the dog and pony show etc. He is hated.
He is originally from Columbus Ohio so that is constantly harped on. I moved out here in 1994 and he has been here since at least then, so its not like he moved into the PSU area last year. Both these guys have been skeptical of Franklin from the beginning. Jones especially has brought up poor schedules at Vanderbilt, poor coaching, the dog and pony show etc. He is hated.
All you need to do is look at Pitt's roster. 11 seniors.
One is a long snapper
One transferred from Stony Brook
Two are graduate transfers
Seven seniors actually started their careers at pitt and ended their careers at pitt. And those are truly self imposed sanctions.
If you count up all the recruits and players Pitt lost due to the coaching turmoil its way beyond the effect of the sanctions on Cow Pasture U.
Imagine where Cow Pasture U would be if they had normal coaching turnover over the 60 years that Paterno was there. Check the number of coaches say Alabama had over that period of time and they Alabama had some lean years over that period.
"Panthergrowl13, post: 551366, member: 1182"]Penn State - Michigan
Players did not get worse just the coaching?
Hackenberg: 13-31 and 1 TD.
3rd down efficiency 3-14?
Can you say development.
NOT AFTER 11 & 24 GAMES????
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Players did not get worse just the coaching?
Hackenberg: 13-31 and 1 TD.
3rd down efficiency 3-14?
Can you say development.
NOT AFTER 11 & 24 GAMES????
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Watching Franklin say they have improved after losing to Ohio State, MSU, Michigan, NW, Maryland and Illinois while just beating Rutgers and Indiana by 3 and 7 points, says they have improved since the beat Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers while losing to Temple, OSU, Michigan, NW, and MSU is quite laughable. Illinois, Maryland, had Interim Coaches, and Rutgers has 6 Starters suspended, Indiana Back-up QB? I guess he went 2-6 last year and going 4-4 this year is an improvement???
Reporters are no longer buying into it and soon Recruits won't be selling it either!
Franklin addresses program's ongoing challenges and progression
Nate Bauer, Senior Editor
Tuesday’s was the type of conversation Penn State head coach James Franklin usually reserves for the Coaches Caravan in the spring.
The Nittany Lions’ second-year head coach sensed a need to address larger topics when asked by a media contingent and fan base hungry for answers, though. Coming off a 28-16 loss to No. 12-ranked MIchigan on Senior Day at Beaver Stadium, his program has now fallen to 7-4 on the 2015 season after a 7-2 start, and the chorus of concern and criticism has grown louder.
Readying the NIttany Lions for their final contest of the regular season, a post-Thanksgiving trip to East Lansing, Mich., to take on No. 6-ranked Michigan State, questions about overall improvement, offensive deficiencies and an overall team identity were enough to warrant answers out of Franklin.
“Right now, our focus is on doing everything we possibly can to prepare for Michigan State. Any other discussions, any other conversations, I don't see how they help us get ready to beat Michigan State,” he said, acknowledging the larger conversation at hand. “But I want to make sure that you and your fans and everybody are aware, I can identify and I can see the problems and the challenges that we have just like everybody else can, and we're addressing them every single day. We're addressing them every single day.”
At the moment, those problems and challenges are being perceived as plentiful among the Nittany Lion faithful, whether Franklin agrees or not.
Early in his Tuesday press conference, Franklin offered some insight as to what some of those challenges are at present when he was asked about Michigan State’s “established culture of winning,” what it’s going to take for Penn State to reach the same level, and where the program currently is on Franklin’s own benchmarks of progress.
“I think we have had it historically obviously over the long haul, there's no doubt about it, but I think it takes some time,” he said. “I think for us, obviously we're just coming out of some of the challenges that we've been through, that have had an effect, there's no doubt about it, but it takes some time. It takes some time in terms of creating your identity on offense, defense and special teams, and when I say your identity, I'm talking about the program's identity, and then also getting all the pieces of the puzzle meshing well together.
“That's the coaches, that's the players, that's the depth from freshman, sophomore, junior, senior classes and the older guys teaching the young guys what it takes to be successful academically and athletically and socially, the whole package. It's all those things because you can't be successful in one area and not the others. You've got to do it in every area, and I think that's my focus right now is that we are doing it in a number of areas, but we have to make sure that we're doing it in every area.”
On field, that means necessary improvements in physicality among the offensive linemen and tight ends, better tackling and leverage among a young and inexperienced group of players in the back end of Penn State’s defense, and especially among the kicking game coverage units, Franklin said. Add in the coaching staff’s misuse of timeouts - a problem Franklin said is uncharacteristic of this staff and has to be improved, starting with himself - and the picture could be seen as one of overwhelming issues that need to be addressed.
According to Franklin, though, he believes that the program is “about on schedule” to where he’d hoped to be when he first took the job nearly two full years ago. Always wanting to do better, and citing plenty of problems that can still be fixed, Franklin said that the quick fixes of plundering the juco ranks while sacrificing long-term solutions is not the way to address the issues at Penn State. Said Franklin, “And like I've said from day one, we want to build this thing the right way for the long haul, and when you do that, it takes some time. There needs to be a little bit of patience. I think for the most part, people understand that.”
LINK:
https://bwi.n.rivals.com/news/franklin-addresses-program-s-ongoing-challenges-and-progression
Reporters are no longer buying into it and soon Recruits won't be selling it either!
Franklin addresses program's ongoing challenges and progression
Nate Bauer, Senior Editor
Tuesday’s was the type of conversation Penn State head coach James Franklin usually reserves for the Coaches Caravan in the spring.
The Nittany Lions’ second-year head coach sensed a need to address larger topics when asked by a media contingent and fan base hungry for answers, though. Coming off a 28-16 loss to No. 12-ranked MIchigan on Senior Day at Beaver Stadium, his program has now fallen to 7-4 on the 2015 season after a 7-2 start, and the chorus of concern and criticism has grown louder.
Readying the NIttany Lions for their final contest of the regular season, a post-Thanksgiving trip to East Lansing, Mich., to take on No. 6-ranked Michigan State, questions about overall improvement, offensive deficiencies and an overall team identity were enough to warrant answers out of Franklin.
“Right now, our focus is on doing everything we possibly can to prepare for Michigan State. Any other discussions, any other conversations, I don't see how they help us get ready to beat Michigan State,” he said, acknowledging the larger conversation at hand. “But I want to make sure that you and your fans and everybody are aware, I can identify and I can see the problems and the challenges that we have just like everybody else can, and we're addressing them every single day. We're addressing them every single day.”
At the moment, those problems and challenges are being perceived as plentiful among the Nittany Lion faithful, whether Franklin agrees or not.
Early in his Tuesday press conference, Franklin offered some insight as to what some of those challenges are at present when he was asked about Michigan State’s “established culture of winning,” what it’s going to take for Penn State to reach the same level, and where the program currently is on Franklin’s own benchmarks of progress.
“I think we have had it historically obviously over the long haul, there's no doubt about it, but I think it takes some time,” he said. “I think for us, obviously we're just coming out of some of the challenges that we've been through, that have had an effect, there's no doubt about it, but it takes some time. It takes some time in terms of creating your identity on offense, defense and special teams, and when I say your identity, I'm talking about the program's identity, and then also getting all the pieces of the puzzle meshing well together.
“That's the coaches, that's the players, that's the depth from freshman, sophomore, junior, senior classes and the older guys teaching the young guys what it takes to be successful academically and athletically and socially, the whole package. It's all those things because you can't be successful in one area and not the others. You've got to do it in every area, and I think that's my focus right now is that we are doing it in a number of areas, but we have to make sure that we're doing it in every area.”
On field, that means necessary improvements in physicality among the offensive linemen and tight ends, better tackling and leverage among a young and inexperienced group of players in the back end of Penn State’s defense, and especially among the kicking game coverage units, Franklin said. Add in the coaching staff’s misuse of timeouts - a problem Franklin said is uncharacteristic of this staff and has to be improved, starting with himself - and the picture could be seen as one of overwhelming issues that need to be addressed.
According to Franklin, though, he believes that the program is “about on schedule” to where he’d hoped to be when he first took the job nearly two full years ago. Always wanting to do better, and citing plenty of problems that can still be fixed, Franklin said that the quick fixes of plundering the juco ranks while sacrificing long-term solutions is not the way to address the issues at Penn State. Said Franklin, “And like I've said from day one, we want to build this thing the right way for the long haul, and when you do that, it takes some time. There needs to be a little bit of patience. I think for the most part, people understand that.”
LINK:
https://bwi.n.rivals.com/news/franklin-addresses-program-s-ongoing-challenges-and-progression
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Cap'n, I would add that beyond the wins and losses, the eye test of PSU's team on the field produces a bad grade. Better talent will help, but the schemes, execution, energy, game plans, etc. are all lackluster.
In contrast, the eye test for Pitt under Narduzzi is very encouraging for the future, this year's win total aside
In contrast, the eye test for Pitt under Narduzzi is very encouraging for the future, this year's win total aside
Agree, the Eye Test is when one cannot see any or much improvement after the first six home easy games, and then look even worse the last 6 games? The Smell Test gets worse after 24 Games and still only 14-10, soon to be 14-11 or 14-12?
At lest Narduzzi has coach up his players after 11 Games, and they look way better these last 2 games but they really improved every game and the New Coaching Staff came together with each Game with more Players looking and playing better after some Coaching & Players Execution Mistakes but just got better every play, Quarters, and Games!
Moreover, Narduzzi has beaten some very good Coaches Of The Years in Beamer, Petrino, Cutcliffe, Johnson, Pelini, and Bowden.
Franklin losing to Hoke, Edsall, Meyer, Dantonio, Harbaugh, Ruhle and Fitzgerald in 2014 and 2015 is an example of someone struggling in his?
Although Franklin did beat Akron's Bowden Temple's Ruhle and O'Leary in 2014 that went 0-11 so far this year! This is not Progression but Regression!
Franklin's Head Coaching Record:
2011: 6-7-0
2012: 9-4-0
2013: 9-4-0 (0.61538%)
2014: 7-6-0 (0.53846%)
2015: 7-6, 8-5, 9-4 ???
To Be Fair a New Coach is Judged in his 3rd and 4th Years, but O'Brien went 8-4 and 7-5 his 2 years at Penn State but did not recruit as high as Franklin?!
Pitt Coach Pat Narduzzi has improved Pitt Players Attitudes, Play, Execution, Game Plans, Half Time Adjustments and Game Day Coaching on Offense, Defense and Special Teams coaching them all up, but needs to improve recruiting, and needs 3 to 4 years to do that too!
Pitt fans have come to know inconsistent and mediocre coaches since 1990 to 2014 with mediocre to one good coach that needed 3 years to win at Pitt too in Wannstedt, but Narduzzi is showing far more than Hackett, Majors, Harris, Wannstedt, Haywood, Graham, and Chryst in his first year than all of them.
Penn State Fans only became familiar with such Inconsistent Coaching under Paterno starting in 2000, Bradley, O'Brien and now Franklin!
WVU had the same inconsistency problem with Holgrosen lately too!
We shall see?
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