So little greenspace at Pitt, the Pete lawn is probably off limits. However, I completely agree about the cement deck, but in my mind I have that pegged for the future expansion of the basketball practice facility.
OT: Petersen Sports Complex
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So little greenspace at Pitt, the Pete lawn is probably off limits. However, I completely agree about the cement deck, but in my mind I have that pegged for the future expansion of the basketball practice facility.
Rowing would be a big way to balance title IX and operating out of a boat house on the Mon means that it minimally contributes to facility overcrowding in Oakland. It makes by far the most sense if adding a sport is necessary for title IX.
It probably should be. I know they were looking at developing a while back, but that's the only working quad space on the upper campus. If they add a sports complex there they likely screw that whole part of campus up. Either the design will try to preserve some of the greenspace and the complex will end up being too small, or it will be too big and you just turn it into more uban grid.
If tennis courts are planned properly they can become a income generator or atleast costs can be mitigated.
We live near Lehigh U. Lehigh offers the community memberships allowing non U people to use the indoor and outdoor tennis facilities when the U isn't using them especially in the summer. Outdoor courts can be bubbled with inflation technology to serve as both indoor and outdoor courts.
Many years ago we lived in Princeton NJ and Princeton did the same thing. In our area there's a demand for both outdoor and indoor tennis courts and memberships sell out. They lease out the courts for various tennis events/tournaments and I think tennis instructors rent out the courts to run camps/lessons. Not sure what the public demand is for tennis courts in Pittsburgh.
Lehigh is like a mini PITT and has space issues but they've acquired a lot of land over the years and moved sports facilities around to be able to fit everything in!
Maybe PITT should benchmark so other U's in a similar situation!
We live near Lehigh U. Lehigh offers the community memberships allowing non U people to use the indoor and outdoor tennis facilities when the U isn't using them especially in the summer. Outdoor courts can be bubbled with inflation technology to serve as both indoor and outdoor courts.
Many years ago we lived in Princeton NJ and Princeton did the same thing. In our area there's a demand for both outdoor and indoor tennis courts and memberships sell out. They lease out the courts for various tennis events/tournaments and I think tennis instructors rent out the courts to run camps/lessons. Not sure what the public demand is for tennis courts in Pittsburgh.
Lehigh is like a mini PITT and has space issues but they've acquired a lot of land over the years and moved sports facilities around to be able to fit everything in!
Maybe PITT should benchmark so other U's in a similar situation!
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Agree, but adding that and women's lacrosse to go with men's lacrosse to replace M&W T&F wouldn't do what SMF suggested and tighten the financial restraints. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in the future because of what you said, but I think it is more likely the future sees a recalculation of the scholarship numbers and some loosening on the football counting, which would likely reduce scholarship involvement/funding to all non-revenue entities.
The revenue sports really shouldn't count for Title IX, but at least a compromise would be cutting football's count in half to make things more palatable. Of course that will be seen as an affront on female student athletes and not just common sense, so who knows.
Oh, I completely agree with that. I didn't see his posts.
The rebalancing of scholarships is more of a legal thing than an NCAA thing. It has to hold up in court, or be altered by law, which is a lot more difficult than the NCAA changing how scholarships are counted. Title IX goes beyond just scholarships...it has to be equivalent..like equivalent training tables, travel, etc.
Absolutely if done right. Shells are very expensive. So would be the prospect for renting or building a boathouse. Good schools have not just ergs, but rowing tanks. If Pitt is getting by Title IX, there is no need.
I've thought about the building them on top of existing structures or garages, but I don't know enough about tennis facilities to know if that would fly for intercollegiate competition.
All the college facilities I've seen have them grouped all together because it is necessary when running matches and invites.
Without having seen the actual plans, what they're looking at doing would actually help access to the area from what I gather.
It was so long ago, but if my memory is correct I believe the boathouse was over a million a year alone.
Agree, but we all know the sports aren't really supported equitably in terms of quality and expertise of staff, when compared to football. It is a really stupid and outdated law, which runs completely opposite to rational business thought. With this entitlement generation of PC pushers, the NCAA and institutions will probably remain trembling behind it, for fear of the backlash.
I don't even know if there's enough room up there anyways to do anything, maybe except for a couple tennis courts. I'd really like to see the practice facilities expanded out more as well. I think they'd be better off keeping the Pete lawn and trying to build on the Schenley Oval Sportsplex. Perfect space for the t&f complex and tennis courts with some stands. I think that's what Populous will suggest since there's little to no room in upper campus as it is.
Agree about the quad space, but there is some green space planned now near the dome to help offset it possibly.
Other ACC schools have both Lacrosse and T & F, but they all also have larger athletic budgets.
That won't last long.
You have three major dorms surrounding the Pete lawn, plus the major concentration of fraternity houses, and a primary student rec facility facing out on to it. Then you have a little patch of green on the far side of the dome on the opposite side of the hill. I don't think it would effectively offset any potential loss of greenspace at the Pete.
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Wow, that's crazy. But, the Pitt Rowing Club rents part of a boat house and there is no way they're paying that. I imagine Pitt wanted one all to itself not to share with the right facilities (as a varsity team should).
I think Pitt would have to build its own if it came to that type of lease. And to do that, they'd have to acquire a parcel on Washington's landing or similar.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Pitt to add any sport, but we are struggling to support the ones we have now sufficiently.
The Sutherland side of the Pete lawn bowl, I always thought they should landscape that with a big waterfall. Would be very unique, and I bet would draw a ton of pedestrian traffic to the area except in the winter.
Or, from the Pennsylvania Hall end, a waterfall cascading down on multiple levels and ending in a fountain of some sort by the Panther statue.
Sports and many other things shouldn't be focused on set asides, especially for a non minority population. This about business. Schools should be able to decide which sports and extra curricular activities to fund and in what ways. As a result, they should live with the consequences/benefits of how their choices affect their student population. If you unfairly cut support for women's athletics in a way that pisses off a population, which makes of 51% of your student body, you will pay a price somewhere. Is it a better price to pay than sinking millions and millions of dollars in unbelievably unprofitable ventures? Schools should make those determinations on their own and not be held to a ridiculous law to decide that.
This is 45 years later and the landscape of education and sports has changed drastically. Women now are the majority population at University and they receive an unbelievably disproportionate amount of scholarships relative to sports participation. Let these schools decide how they want to run themselves and recruit their students and let women have the power to assume their position and dictate the decisions. The Government doesn't need to do it for them.
Build an indoor facility in OC Lot adjacent to current Cost Ctr being renovated this spring
Connect the buildings via skywalks
Really? I didn't hear about the Cost renovations. What all are they doing? It would be nice to get some new turf and a new wall design on inside and out. Need to turn that red into blue and slap a Script logo on it!
I don't think it'll be in the OC Lot if you're talking about the track. They're leaning towards a few different locations currently.
