OT: Shelty needs fired today
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The OP apparently didn't see it, but he actually has have a couple good games for the Pirates. For instance he started a game about a week and a half ago against Texas and threw six shutout innings.
Shelty tough on sportswriters, not so much on shortstops sprinting out to left field to steal a fly ball from the left fielder, (and missing the ball BTW).
pittdan77
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I guess Im a glutton for punishment because Im still watching this hot garbage. The better question is why does he keep trotting out number 0. Dude's pitching is uglier than well.........................
Trotting him out there is a joke and a disservice to the team. Surely they have some younger guy they can bring up from AAA to pitch and evaluate.
Trotting him out there is a joke and a disservice to the team. Surely they have some younger guy they can bring up from AAA to pitch and evaluate.
I’m guessing they want to see if there’s anything there. Pirates gotta hope to hit occasionally with the dumpster diving. Appears we have the answer.
If they signed him the oughta look into someone who could at least pitch in Trevor Bauer.
So true. The only regime I can think of that was this bad was the Romanov clan.
How many times do you need to see the dude walk a bunch of guys and then look like hes throwing batting practice to figure out hes not even a AAA talent? Dudes in that locker room know whose legit and whose not. Has to be demoralizing going out and knowing you're going to be down a TD after the first inning
I don’t disagree but I’ll just refer back to dumpster diving. The season’s over.
I don’t know how much he’s played - seems he’s been in the lineup - but they’re probably doing the same with Henry Davis (and I know that isn’t dumpster diving).
Overall point is it might be a last gasp look at a few guys.
Yes, the whole team is, I go through 12 Miller Highlife's a game.
Number 0 pitched a perfect game in the majors just last season. And he threw six shutout innings for the Pirates in a start just last month. He is exactly the kind of guy that they should be sending out there. Because if he could ever get his head on straight they could have a really good pitcher there. The problem seems to be that his head is rarely on straight.
Or maybe it's that he pitches better drunk. That also seems to be a possibility.
He realizes that he's only going to be a major league manager for a couple more weeks, and then he is almost certainly never going to get to be a big league manager ever again. And that's got to kill a baseball lifer like him.
Yeah I’m aware of that. There’s a reason he’s no longer is with the Yankees In between his good performances he’s a wild BP pitcher
It’s not like he has great stuff or is still a young developing prospect
He's not with the Yankees because he showed up for a game drunk, got into a big argument with the manager, threw a bunch of furniture around the clubhouse, and smashed a clubhouse television.
None of that had anything to do with his pitching.
Sounds like a high character guy. But yeah. His incredibly talented arm and stuff made him well worth the risk. Too bad he didn’t go off on Shelton before they demoted him
pittdan77
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Not sure the Pirates would necessarily let him go. It's not like hiring good managers is suddenly going to become a thing in Pittsburgh. It's also not like the ownership is going to suddenly bend over backwards to put a winning team together either. Doesn't matter who runs the day to day.
I think a manager that is the right fit for this team would help. I agree that the manager's ability to turn around the franchises' fortunes is limited, but I think they can make a difference at least a bit. Now, how much of a difference that manager can make is debatable. Does it give you an extra win or two, or can it lead to six or seven or eight or more wins?
pittdan77
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The closest you'll get to a "right fit" is a guy like Tomlin who is very good at being very mediocre. It's really the best case scenario as long as you manage expectations as well as the Steelers do.
I think if they win fewer games than last year they'll fire him just because of the PR hit they'll get if they don't. If somehow the Pirates play well over these last three weeks and eke out a few more wins than last year they will probably keep him around and just get rid of a few of the coaches.
Except Andy Haines. He's obviously indispensable.
In terms of "right fit," I am talking about someone who can appropriately motivate the players, whether that means challenging some guys, and chewing them out when they deserve chewed out. This is a relatively young team I think they need someone to mold them more than Shelton. Shelton doesn't seem to push any buttons for the players.
pittdan77
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Pros shouldn’t need to be motivated. If they’re not, they have the wrong players. Or it could just be they aren’t that good.
The only way is to have good drafts and supplement via free agency with mid road guys. They can’t/won’t pay top end and the Buccos aren’t exactly a destination. Until someone does that, it’s blow up/fire, rinse, repeat. I imagine a good manager would have more wins, but nothing significant enough to matter. Too many players who outright stink, and the bullpen has been a disaster.
For sure a good manager wont make this team a contender However this team has lost a number of games because of a lack of fundamentals (dumb base running, sloppy play in the field and poor approaches at the plate) as well as idiotic decisions by Shelton.
Not sure they would have make the wild card but they sure as heck would not have collapsed like they have
I am not talking about motivating in terms of a manager who is all "Rah rah win one for the gipper!" I agree pros really do not need that. But good leadership makes a difference in any organization, whether it's pro sports or college sports or youth sports or business or anything else. A good leader's job is to find ways to motivate, even if ever so subtle, to get everyone to believe in the group's effort and perform optimally. It seems to me that Shelton's managerial ways have not accomplished that.
pittdan77
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Basically wash, rinse, repeat, in five or six year cycles. They've just managed to figure out how to not be the White Sox all of the time and will get lucky once in a while with the expanded playoffs. But enough people buy into the "just wait til next year" mindset that there is zero need for ownership to do anything different.
It was Cherrington who announced that. Who’s to say he’ll be here?
I think it’s more likely than not Shelton will return. But I’m not certain it’s a done deal just yet.
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