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Brown getting a big number (even if he can be cut to get out of the contract) and Bell getting the exclusive tag means that the Steelers think they have a shot at the Super Bowl and that the window is only open for another year or two.

Whether you like the move or not, you have to give the club credit. They are making moves to try to win while the window is open.
 
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pittdan77 said:
Brown getting a big number (even if he can be cut to get out of the contract) and Bell getting the exclusive tag means that the Steelers think they have a shot at the Super Bowl and that the window is only open for another year or two.

Whether you like the move or not, you have to give the club credit. They are making moves to try to win while the window is open.
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yep, I like it. window is definitely closing, this offense COULD be lethal, if they stay out of their own way with off season suspensions.
 
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The Steelers have been one of the most successful franchises in all of sports over the past 45 years. It is too bad the Pirates did not learn anything from them.
 
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They need a pass rushing OLB, a TE, a backup RB, a backup QB, and a safety/CB...Pitt has them covered in the draft with Price, Orndorff, Conner, Peterman (in rounds 4, 7, 3 and 3, in that order) and Revis in free agency. Hahaha...I know the Steelers never go after Pitt guys.
 
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The headline of this thread should be "Steelers go all in on OFFENSE."

They now have the biggest salary disparity between offense and defense in the entire NFL.

I personally wish they would've let AB play out the final year of his deal. Lets not forget how much of a selfish pain in the ass he was last season, along with his own quarterback accusing him of pouting and running wrong routes when not getting enough touches. This is the behavior that gets rewarded?
 
-Patriots by 3 TD's again. Steelers have zero shot to beat New England. Bell will get injured again, and Brown will not show up in the biggest game of the year, again. The only chance to beat New England is having a loaded defense. Steelers are dreaming. Denver understands this. Baltimore understands this. Steelers dont understand this. After getting killed by the Pats for so many years in a row and watching them win superbowl after superbowl, only teams with Elite defenses can even challenge that team. Pats will be unstoppable again in the AFC next year.

-At least we have the Penguins. Although with the garbage NHL playoff setup with all the metro teams destroying everyone else and knocking each other out the first 2 rounds, the playoff run this year to repeat is going to be pretty difficult. We still have the best team in the NHL but will have the hardest path by far to win the cup again.
 
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pittdan77 said:
Brown getting a big number (even if he can be cut to get out of the contract) and Bell getting the exclusive tag means that the Steelers think they have a shot at the Super Bowl and that the window is only open for another year or two.

Whether you like the move or not, you have to give the club credit. They are making moves to try to win while the window is open.
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I don't think this signals the Steelers believe the window to only be open for another year or two. With the way the cap is increasing the Steelers are absolutely fine, if they draft well on the defensive side of the ball. Neither the Brown nor Bell extensions will trigger cap related casualties of productive players in 2017 and it is doubtful that will be necessary for 2018 either. Brown's cap number didn't change at all and even if Bell's stays this high, they still have about $14-19M to sign their draft class, bring back Harrison and Timmons, if they want, and ink any other extensions for guys like Tuitt and Villanueva.

As it stands, the Steelers are actually in very good position to be in really good cap shape the next 2 years and have many options moving beyond that. As it always does, it will be determined by continuing to have a franchise QB and how they draft. If Ben gets seriously injured or they whiff on a draft class, the window will slam shut. Currently, it looks like they will have around $45M next year in cap room (before a likely restructure with Ben) to fit in Bell, a Tuitt extension, a Villanueva extension, and supplement the defense. That would include returning the entire 2016 offense, save DeAngelo Williams and backup OL, all DL starters, Shazier, Dupree, Williams, Mitchell, Gay, Burns, Golson, Golden, and Davis on defense. And, they could save about $5M by cutting Mitchell.

We all know the window closes when Ben retires because that is just how the NFL works, unless you get very lucky, but these moves don't signal them giving it just a year or two more IMO.
 
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Jpripper88 said:
I don't think this signals the Steelers believe the window to only be open for another year or two. With the way the cap is increasing the Steelers are absolutely fine, if they draft well on the defensive side of the ball. Neither the Brown nor Bell extensions will trigger cap related casualties of productive players in 2017 and it is doubtful that will be necessary for 2018 either. Brown's cap number didn't change at all and even if Bell's stays this high, they still have about $14-19M to sign their draft class, bring back Harrison and Timmons, if they want, and ink any other extensions for guys like Tuitt and Villanueva.

As it stands, the Steelers are actually in very good position to be in really good cap shape the next 2 years and have many options moving beyond that. As it always does, it will be determined by continuing to have a franchise QB and how they draft. If Ben gets seriously injured or they whiff on a draft class, the window will slam shut. Currently, it looks like they will have around $45M next year in cap room (before a likely restructure with Ben) to fit in Bell, a Tuitt extension, a Villanueva extension, and supplement the defense. That would include returning the entire 2016 offense, save DeAngelo Williams and backup OL, all DL starters, Shazier, Dupree, Williams, Mitchell, Gay, Burns, Golson, Golden, and Davis on defense. And, they could save about $5M by cutting Mitchell.

We all know the window closes when Ben retires because that is just how the NFL works, unless you get very lucky, but these moves don't signal them giving it just a year or two more IMO.
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Whiffing on draft classes is exactly why they had to do this. Once Ben is gone, they'll struggle and have to troll around for a castoff QB to get them through until they can draft a QB. I don't think Ben is going to play much longer. Maybe one year. Maybe two.

They can extend everyone on the team but no franchise QB, no shot at a championship.
 
I am so sick of people saying Ben is only playing one year more...he has a 3 year guaranteed $19m/yr coming to him...he is not walking away from that type of money, I don't care what drama queen Ben says when he is frustrated. They are in desperate need of a tough corner back before they can hoist another Lombardi...
 
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Whiffing on draft classes is exactly why they had to do this. Once Ben is gone, they'll struggle and have to troll around for a castoff QB to get them through until they can draft a QB. I don't think Ben is going to play much longer. Maybe one year. Maybe two.

They can extend everyone on the team but no franchise QB, no shot at a championship.
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Yeah, but neither of these moves hampers their ability to contend beyond this year or next.

What will drive that is having a franchise QB. I would count on Ben playing 3-4 more years. And, of course, after he retires the Steelers will be like every other team in needing to find their Franchise QB or face being, at best, a .500 team.

Now, if they really went all-in it would mean they went out and spent big money on a few FAs, made splashy trades mortgaging future picks, and structured Brown's or Bell's contracts to really backload, that would signal them thinking they only had a year or two left of a window. However, it seems likely they are looking at it as if they have at least 3 years to continue to contend. Personally, I am not sure which makes the most sense and it probably depends on your goals.

Structuring Bell and Brown to lower cap numbers that explode in 2018 or 2019, while giving similar deals to Hightower, Buoye, and Trumaine Johnson to shore up the defense would tell me they were "all-in". If they actually keep the franchise tag on Bell, it says the exact opposite to me and that is they are structuring so they keep their window open as long as they possibly can.
 
Nutsack says "who cares". It's not about the quality of the team you field but the overall entertainment package you deliver I.e. the bobbleheads and other swag, the fireworks and, most importantly, the eats(aka the kielbasa). Cutch is shaking his head at these developments.
 
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Defensively they're young which means they'll be cheap for now, and I think they'll continue to improve as a unit. If they get some impact from the draft the D could close the gap with the O and push NE, who can be vulnerable.
 
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Delpanther said:
Nutsack says "who cares". It's not about the quality of the team you field but the overall entertainment package you deliver I.e. the bobbleheads and other swag, the fireworks and, most importantly, the eats(aka the kielbasa). Cutch is shaking his head at these developments.
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Don't forget about the great concerts, like Flo Rida and Chicago!!!!!
 
Great moves.

This was a franchise that didn't squander it's surprising good fortune in the 70s with lax indifference and double down on frugality. They didn't spend lavishly, but spend they do when needed to stay on or near the top. Witness that they pretty much always keep their critical players and pretty much never draft with the primary (if not only) objective of signing the pick as cheap as possible.

They have been rewarded a million times over for their wise investments with universally adoration that provides them near total autonomy in the region. Never mind the obvious benefit of enormous revenues of course.

Something the small, miserable, fleece-minded Pirates ownership and Pitt administrations wouldn't fathom in a trillion years.
 
steel_curtain said:
-Patriots by 3 TD's again. Steelers have zero shot to beat New England. Bell will get injured again, and Brown will not show up in the biggest game of the year, again. The only chance to beat New England is having a loaded defense. Steelers are dreaming. Denver understands this. Baltimore understands this. Steelers dont understand this. After getting killed by the Pats for so many years in a row and watching them win superbowl after superbowl, only teams with Elite defenses can even challenge that team. Pats will be unstoppable again in the AFC next year.

-At least we have the Penguins. Although with the garbage NHL playoff setup with all the metro teams destroying everyone else and knocking each other out the first 2 rounds, the playoff run this year to repeat is going to be pretty difficult. We still have the best team in the NHL but will have the hardest path by far to win the cup again.
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The Steelers are drafting 30th this year. They routinely draft in the lower third of the draft every year. Just because they don't always play in the Super Bowl (although they have played in 8, more than any other franchise) doesn't mean they are as inept as u think.
 
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They need a pass rushing OLB, a TE, a backup RB, a backup QB, and a safety/CB...Pitt has them covered in the draft with Price, Orndorff, Conner, Peterman (in rounds 4, 7, 3 and 3, in that order) and Revis in free agency. Hahaha...I know the Steelers never go after Pitt guys.
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Such a shame. They could've used so many of them throughout the years.... (cough cough marino.) According to several sources though the steelers were absolutely going to draft Revis, unfortunately and probably that being the reason why, the jets traded to the pick in front of Pittsburgh.

I'm a little maddened though that they will more than likely take a lb in the first round. It seems like they are always taking linebackers, yet there really is still a huge hole at olb. I don't disagree that they need to, but for god's sake years later that is still a need. I don't know how price translates to the NFL, but both Conner and peterman I think would be obvious choices if they're available in mid to late rounds. 6 guys at the combine im hoping they actually get 1 Pitt guy this year.

Interesting thought I had today as well. After Marino, van pelt the only Pitt qb to be drafted, shortly after going to the big east. The remaining time in the big east, nobody. Since the move to the ACC, savage, voytik, and peterman have started. Savage already got drafted, now we're looking at peterman probably as well. Could be the start of a new trend at Pitt?
 
Gunga_Galunga said:
Why?
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Income from media is basically shared in pro football. Totally different in baseball. Check out how much money teams like the Yankees or the Dodgers get from their local media rights then check out how much the Pirates get from Root.
 
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what concern is salary to me as a fan? I want a winner. Nutting is one of the richest owners in baseball and I don't want to hear about financially sound baseball decisions.
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LOL, I enjoy when Mark Madden portrays "Loyal Pirates Fans" who trust "the process" as standing outside PNC Bank, cheering "Go Nutting's Wallet"!!! :)
 
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Myself, I love that they've signed AB and tagged Bell. Ben's got 2-3 years max and my #1 priority is that the team is loaded at offensive skill positions as long as Ben is still standing, worry about the cap AFTER BEN IS GONE. Brady and Belichick still there? So what? Can't worry about them, we just do the best we can and give it the best shot possible. Brady is 40 this season, he could drop off the map suddenly like Peyton did, or who knows, maybe we or someone else beats them in the playoffs? I don't worry about that, just get to the playoffs and give it your best shot, with Ben supported fully with quality personal! Don't skimp on his supporting cast worrying about the salary cap situation the year after he's gone, go all George Allen as long as Ben is here... "The Future Is Now!"
 
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what frustrates me about nutting is the dude is very weathly (moreso than just your typical owner) but carries himself and his team like he's scraping by. OK, he is frugal, but he had offers to sell the team for a very hefty profit from guys like Cuban (he did make offer, confirmed it in interview) where we could have had ownership that would have competed with the top 1/2 of baseball...

That's what sucks about this whole thing. does he have the right to not sell and run this franchise how he is? Sure, but we sure as hell have the right to complain, bitch, and demand more from our ownership (not that he cares about that, nor do most owners as long as the money keeps coming in).

In short, pirate baseball is stuck between a rock and a hard place
 
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Tony Zimmermans Dennys Adversary said:
Lets not forget how much of a selfish pain in the ass he was last season, along with his own quarterback accusing him of pouting and running wrong routes when not getting enough touches. This is the behavior that gets rewarded?
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Stupid Yinzer SHHT^^^

He won games, he didn't lose any! He clinched the division title BY HIMSELF on a single play, he has 480+ catches in 4 years, all this "character" SHHT in total nonsense from stupid, old school Yinzers who think everybody has to act like a white guy with a crew cut from the '50s.
 
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Swervin27 said:
what frustrates me about nutting is the dude is very weathly (moreso than just your typical owner) but carries himself and his team like he's scraping by. OK, he is frugal, but he had offers to sell the team for a very hefty profit from guys like Cuban (he did make offer, confirmed it in interview) where we could have had ownership that would have competed with the top 1/2 of baseball...

That's what sucks about this whole thing. does he have the right to not sell and run this franchise how he is? Sure, but we sure as hell have the right to complain, bitch, and demand more from our ownership (not that he cares about that, nor do most owners as long as the money keeps coming in).

In short, pirate baseball is stuck between a rock and a hard place
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A lot of these owners, like Steinbrenner, Cuban, Jerry Jones, Kraft have big ego's and own the team as a toy, to show off, they have a huge hard on to stand at the podium and be presented the trophy and gloat, that's the kind of owner I want, an arrogant, loudmouth prick who is doing it FOR HIMSELF, not a guy like Nutting who treats it like a bottom line business.
 
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Pitt79 said:
A lot of these owners, like Steinbrenner, Cuban, Jerry Jones, Kraft have big ego's and own the team as a toy, to show off, they have a huge hard on to stand at the podium and be presented the trophy and gloat, that's the kind of owner I want, an arrogant, loudmouth prick who is doing it FOR HIMSELF, not a guy like Nutting who treats it like a bottom line business.
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Normally I'd disagree but money trumps professional demeanor. Buccos were in bad shape so I'd take a loud mouth arrogant owner any day of the week if it meant we could compete.. Rumors of Cuban trying to get into the pens ownership (Not sure if they were confirmed or BS) were a bit scary. Pens were and are in good shape, run properly by my man Mario and crew so I'd rather not have someone like that with the pens but hell yeah with the buccos.
 
Pitt79 said:
Stupid Yinzer SHHT^^^

He won games, he didn't lose any! He clinched the division title BY HIMSELF on a single play, he has 480+ catches in 4 years, all this "character" SHHT in total nonsense from stupid, old school Yinzers who think everybody has to act like a white guy with a crew cut from the '50s.
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95% of the complaints on AB have to do with 15 yard penalties due to endzone dances. I truly believe if he didnt' get these penalties, most Pittsburghers wouldn't care less. A few of the old "get off my lawn" types, complaining about how these kids these days should act like they'v been there before but honestly, most criticism from steeler nation come from us having to kick off from the 45 every other time he scores a TD.
 
Pitt79 said:
A lot of these owners, like Steinbrenner, Cuban, Jerry Jones, Kraft have big ego's and own the team as a toy, to show off, they have a huge hard on to stand at the podium and be presented the trophy and gloat, that's the kind of owner I want, an arrogant, loudmouth prick who is doing it FOR HIMSELF, not a guy like Nutting who treats it like a bottom line business.
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All those guys operate as a business. They just are/were in situations where they don't have to worry about making profit because it is going to be there no matter what. The same is true for the Steelers.
 
Pitt79 said:
A lot of these owners, like Steinbrenner, Cuban, Jerry Jones, Kraft have big ego's and own the team as a toy, to show off, they have a huge hard on to stand at the podium and be presented the trophy and gloat, that's the kind of owner I want, an arrogant, loudmouth prick who is doing it FOR HIMSELF, not a guy like Nutting who treats it like a bottom line business.
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The team is valued in the middle of the pack so it's not considered a "garbage" type franchise that can't earn money. He's keeping the salary in the bottom 5-10 because despite his net worth being over a billion dollars, he can and the fans eat it up.

Nutting won't sell because the franchise provides steady income and balances what have to be a steady decline in his newspaper revenues (he sells newspapers in WV....a state with a below average literacy rate).
 
Jpripper88 said:
All those guys operate as a business. They just are/were in situations where they don't have to worry about making profit because it is going to be there no matter what. The same is true for the Steelers.
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So they operate just like Nutting? They don't put extra into pursuit of winning. We will agree to disagree.
 
Swervin27 said:
Normally I'd disagree but money trumps professional demeanor. Buccos were in bad shape so I'd take a loud mouth arrogant owner any day of the week if it meant we could compete.. Rumors of Cuban trying to get into the pens ownership (Not sure if they were confirmed or BS) were a bit scary. Pens were and are in good shape, run properly by my man Mario and crew so I'd rather not have someone like that with the pens but hell yeah with the buccos.
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Cuban won an NBA Championship, in Dallas. It's not like he's clueless.
 
Swervin27 said:
95% of the complaints on AB have to do with 15 yard penalties due to endzone dances. I truly believe if he didnt' get these penalties, most Pittsburghers wouldn't care less. A few of the old "get off my lawn" types, complaining about how these kids these days should act like they'v been there before but honestly, most criticism from steeler nation come from us having to kick off from the 45 every other time he scores a TD.
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And it's all random BS, he gets penalties and other guys do worse and don't. I know in other sports and other football leagues, celebration isn't a penalty and NOBODY CARES.
 
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