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OT: Steelers/Matt Canada rumor

F'in sickened to read this. absolutely sick. once we have another crap season, it's on Tomlin 100000%.
This!!

As I said two days ago…Tomlin chose Kenny, good move. Kenny supplanted Mitch early in the year for Kenny, also good move.

Now his legacy depends on Canada developing Kenny. Let’s see how it goes. That’s Tomlin’s choice.

Personally if I had a luxury car, I wouldn’t give the keys to an inexperienced driver. And that’s what Canada is.
 
This!!

As I said two days ago…Tomlin chose Kenny, good move. Kenny supplanted Mitch early in the year for Kenny, also good move.

Now his legacy depends on Canada developing Kenny. Let’s see how it goes. That’s Tomlin’s choice.

Personally if I had a luxury car, I wouldn’t give the keys to an inexperienced driver. And that’s what Canada is.

I've never seen a team on a roll with unqualified assistants like this before. And then the few guys we've had who were/are qualified (Munchak, Flores, etc.) are like a rung or two below the positions they're qualified for. It's so weird.
 
"We really came alive down the stretch, fellas. I mean, we were still averaging anemic offensive point totals, but the other teams were averaging even less! Let's bring him back."
 
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"We really came alive down the stretch, fellas. I mean, we were still averaging anemic offensive point totals, but the other teams were averaging even less! Let's bring him back."
Per Gerry Dulac…

They had 28 offensive touchdowns, third-fewest in the league, and ranked 26th in scoring average (18.1 points) in 2022. In two seasons with Canada as offensive coordinator, the Steelers have averaged 19.1 points per game, which is 7.5 points fewer than they did in 2020 when Fichtner’s contract was not renewed.

What’s more, the offense lacked explosive plays. The Steelers were the only team in the league to have only three plays longer than 40 yards, and their longest touchdown was 31 yards. Of their 28 total touchdowns, 21 were less than 10 yards.
 
Per Gerry Dulac…

They had 28 offensive touchdowns, third-fewest in the league, and ranked 26th in scoring average (18.1 points) in 2022. In two seasons with Canada as offensive coordinator, the Steelers have averaged 19.1 points per game, which is 7.5 points fewer than they did in 2020 when Fichtner’s contract was not renewed.

What’s more, the offense lacked explosive plays. The Steelers were the only team in the league to have only three plays longer than 40 yards, and their longest touchdown was 31 yards. Of their 28 total touchdowns, 21 were less than 10 yards.

So it all graded out statistically about as bad as it looked, haha.
 
Per Gerry Dulac…

They had 28 offensive touchdowns, third-fewest in the league, and ranked 26th in scoring average (18.1 points) in 2022. In two seasons with Canada as offensive coordinator, the Steelers have averaged 19.1 points per game, which is 7.5 points fewer than they did in 2020 when Fichtner’s contract was not renewed.

What’s more, the offense lacked explosive plays. The Steelers were the only team in the league to have only three plays longer than 40 yards, and their longest touchdown was 31 yards. Of their 28 total touchdowns, 21 were less than 10 yards.
You’ve been more vocal about it but I was thinking it for about the same time as you. Thought maybe the offense was structured around Ben and his noodle arm. If there aren’t significant changes or improvements we’ll know that Canada is likely a huge problem. Don’t get me wrong - A second year guy like Pickett can regress or even stink. But there needs to a be a move from all these safe passes and open things up a bit. The OL seemed to improve too so that’s one less excuse if that continues.
 
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You’ve been more vocal about it but I was thinking it for about the same time as you. Thought maybe the offense was structured around Ben and his noodle arm. If there aren’t significant changes or improvements we’ll know that Canada is likely a huge problem. Don’t get me wrong - A second year guy like Pickett can regress or even stink. But there needs to a be a move from all these safe passes and open things up a bit. The OL seemed to improve too so that’s one less excuse if that continues.
October 2, 2022-Mike Tomlin punts on the ‘22 season by inserting Kenny as his QB. That was admirable.

January 18, 2023-Mike Tomlin punts on the ‘23 season. That’s a head scratcher.
 
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Imagine being Cam Heyward, knowing you have a year or two left and haven’t won a thing in your career. He should march into the steeler offices and ask for a trade tomorrow.
 
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we battle for mediocrity now in pittsburgh. The new standard is the standard. these arent your father's steelers anymore.
This is a absolutely true. Anyone who believes the Steelers when they say the standard is the standard is an absolute yinzer loser.
 
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Wow that was pretty quick. Seems like a strong vote of confidence that Canada didn’t earn.
 
Wow that was pretty quick. Seems like a strong vote of confidence that Canada didn’t earn.
While this will be part of Tomlin’s legacy, this decision has to come with Rooney’s and Khans blessing and that’s even more disturbing.

They have to have a plan that includes a senior passing game consultant, right? They just have to. I’ll wait until that person is announced before I pass judgement.
 
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While this will be part of Tomlin’s legacy, this decision has to come with Rooney’s and Khans blessing and that’s even more disturbing.
i disagree 1000%. art junior or whatever he is, is a freaking brainless clown. the apple fell far from the tree with this one.

khan is a glorified Tomlin assistant too. he cant take a leak without tomlin's permission.. no respectable GM would come into this job full well knowing they'd have to share GM duties with Tomlin so they did what only they could do and hire an internal accountant who knows his place on the Org chart..
 
Canada has had two or three good seasons as offensive coordinator in his entire career. Three different quarterbacks could not produce in his offense in the NFL and Tomlin is bringing him back. I look forward to the national media telling us how awesome it is Tomlin has never had a losing season after another 9-8 finish. Seriously, this offense better take a huge leap forward if they're bringing Canada back. They were bad last year, so to justify this move they need to be at least in the middle of the pack offensively. Unfortunately that'll still be tough to make the playoffs.
 
i disagree 1000%. art junior or whatever he is, is a freaking brainless clown. the apple fell far from the tree with this one.

khan is a glorified Tomlin assistant too. he cant take a leak without tomlin's permission.. no respectable GM would come into this job full well knowing they'd have to share GM duties with Tomlin so they did what only they could do and hire an internal accountant who knows his place on the Org chart..
My point is, if doofus Rooney wanted a change, it would happen. And the fact remains that the Rooney’s rarely fire coaches who are under contract. There has been an exception or two. Kevin Gilbride comes to mind and of course Arians comes to mind. And with Arians, Rooney stepped in for the betterment of Ben’s health and “retired” Arians. So in this situation, I can’t help but think Rooney wants to honor the last year of Canada’s contract, and by doing so he’s completely fine with Canada. Maybe Tomlin’s hands are tied? If Rooney had good reason to fire Canada, like he did with Arians, it would have been done. But he wants him for 2023. That’s abundantly clear. Winning doesn’t matter it seems.
 
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Your last statement about winning doesn't matter isn't limited to Canada not being fired this year, it goes back to when they hired him in the first place. He didn't have a great track record in college and has been terrible in the NFL. The offense played better over the second half of the season against a soft scheduled and scored maybe 3 more points per game.
 
Figured I’d add this here instead of creating a new thread…

Here’s the problem with retaining Matt Canada. Since 2007, every team that won the Super Bowl has had at least one coordinator that was either a former or future head coach. Of those 15 teams, 14 consisted of former head coaches; of those 14, 12 had backgrounds that were on the opposite side of the ball as the head coach. On paper, this is why hiring someone like Frank Reich would’ve been extremely beneficial. I’d be happy to list the teams/staffs if anyone is interested.
 
I think the uproar about this is somewhat overblown. First, remember that Art made it clear a couple years back he wanted the Steelers to be more of a running team. It seems dubious to succeed that way in todays NFL, but the run is more of Canada’s forte. The running game definitely was an upgrade this season, despite a bad OL.

Plus, as many of you stressed to me all year, Kenny is an old rookie, the clock is ticking on him, you need to make hay with a top round QB right away, etc etc. Replacing the OC after his first year is basically making him play it all over again next year, going against all these arguments. Right or wrong they saw improvement and success (in W-L if not explosiveness) between Canada and Pickett in the second half of the year, and it seems both Pickett (from his statements yesterday) and management want it to continue. If they stagnate and struggle to score and go .500 again next season, they are wrong.
 
I mean I sure rather have Canada that leftwich

The offense wasn’t good because it lacked explosive scoring plays -
But with a rookie qb- let’s be honest they did a nice job a managing risks
 
Leftwich just got fired. He had 3 straight top 5 offenses before this season, one of those with Jameis Winston.
 
I mean I sure rather have Canada that leftwich

The offense wasn’t good because it lacked explosive scoring plays -
But with a rookie qb- let’s be honest they did a nice job a managing risks
Yeah I’m with you. Don’t make a change just to make a change.

In other news, there are 10 OC openings right now. 1/3rd of the league is looking for and OC. If Matt Canada were on the open market, how many of those teams would interview him, let alone hire him? I’d put the number at 0.

And in other news…

 
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I think the uproar about this is somewhat overblown. First, remember that Art made it clear a couple years back he wanted the Steelers to be more of a running team. It seems dubious to succeed that way in todays NFL, but the run is more of Canada’s forte. The running game definitely was an upgrade this season, despite a bad OL.

Plus, as many of you stressed to me all year, Kenny is an old rookie, the clock is ticking on him, you need to make hay with a top round QB right away, etc etc. Replacing the OC after his first year is basically making him play it all over again next year, going against all these arguments. Right or wrong they saw improvement and success (in W-L if not explosiveness) between Canada and Pickett in the second half of the year, and it seems both Pickett (from his statements yesterday) and management want it to continue. If they stagnate and struggle to score and go .500 again next season, they are wrong.
If you want to evaluate Canada on his own merit, if the Steelers fired him, what was his next job? Not sure he'd land anywhere you'd hear about regularly on Saturday's so why is he working for a "blue blood" NFL team?

As an aside, this just smells like Tomlin is too comfortable. There isn't a "damn the torpedo's" attitude about winning or he would be so much more aggressive about how he's handling his staff.
 
If you want to evaluate Canada on his own merit, if the Steelers fired him, what was his next job? Not sure he'd land anywhere you'd hear about regularly on Saturday's so why is he working for a "blue blood" NFL team?

As an aside, this just smells like Tomlin is too comfortable. There isn't a "damn the torpedo's" attitude about winning or he would be so much more aggressive about how he's handling his staff.

I largely agree with you. On the other hand, Canada has largely been learning on the job with how to be an NFL OC. Perhaps they see he is figuring things out and has a his rapport with KP? Either way I’d want to make sure KP has the best QB coach possible (not sure, maybe Mike Sullivan is that good).
 
If you want to evaluate Canada on his own merit, if the Steelers fired him, what was his next job? Not sure he'd land anywhere you'd hear about regularly on Saturday's so why is he working for a "blue blood" NFL team?

As an aside, this just smells like Tomlin is too comfortable. There isn't a "damn the torpedo's" attitude about winning or he would be so much more aggressive about how he's handling his staff.
Talking about ‘who else would hire you’ I was real surprised to see that short-lived OL coach the Steelers had here (Andrew Klemm or name something like that) is interviewing for the New England OC position. Never would have guessed he had a resume for that. But looks like he had some college OC experience.
 
Talking about ‘who else would hire you’ I was real surprised to see that short-lived OL coach the Steelers had here (Andrew Klemm or name something like that) is interviewing for the New England OC position. Never would have guessed he had a resume for that. But looks like he had some college OC experience.
That's a fascinating choice. I'd have to think Bill O'Brien has the inside lane but that guy couldn't coach the OL.
 
If you want to evaluate Canada on his own merit, if the Steelers fired him, what was his next job? Not sure he'd land anywhere you'd hear about regularly on Saturday's so why is he working for a "blue blood" NFL team?

As an aside, this just smells like Tomlin is too comfortable. There isn't a "damn the torpedo's" attitude about winning or he would be so much more aggressive about how he's handling his staff.
His perceived merit to Art / Tomlin is what matters, and at least one of them wanted and still apparently want a more run-oriented offense.

The Steelers are also one of those orgs that scorn outside opinion and like to think they are smarter than everyone. This smells a bit of that, too.

However, I don’t think it’s correct that Canada still wouldn’t have appeal as an OC in P5 and certainly higher level G5 college football. The timing of his release (if it happened) and the hirings already completed by college teams would affect that, but I think he’d still be in demand somewhere fairly legitimate.
 
I have to think one of two things:

1) Mikey T just doesn't want to have a coach who is well known and has a big profile because of his ego.
2) Art II is as I started this thread, "the new Bob Nutting" and too cheap.

Very well could be parts of both. But my god, I hope it wasn't how they finished the season against the very worst the NFL has to offer. I hope they werent fooled by this. Because that would be very, well foolish.
 
His perceived merit to Art / Tomlin is what matters, and at least one of them wanted and still apparently want a more run-oriented offense.

The Steelers are also one of those orgs that scorn outside opinion and like to think they are smarter than everyone. This smells a bit of that, too.

However, I don’t think it’s correct that Canada still wouldn’t have appeal as an OC in P5 and certainly higher level G5 college football. The timing of his release (if it happened) and the hirings already completed by college teams would affect that, but I think he’d still be in demand somewhere fairly legitimate.
I don't know. He was let go from three of his four previous gigs. He's had two jobs at any level of relevance that ended well.
 
If you want to evaluate Canada on his own merit, if the Steelers fired him, what was his next job? Not sure he'd land anywhere you'd hear about regularly on Saturday's so why is he working for a "blue blood" NFL team?

As an aside, this just smells like Tomlin is too comfortable. There isn't a "damn the torpedo's" attitude about winning or he would be so much more aggressive about how he's handling his staff.
Canada isn't going to work for a "blue blood" college team either after he gets fired. He's only had two great seasons as offensive coordinator over his entire career and he is getting a third year with the Steelers--a second with Pickett. NFL teams need strong passing games to succeed and I don't think Canada is the guy who is going to accomplish that.
 
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Canada isn't going to work for a "blue blood" college team either after he gets fired. He's only had two great seasons as offensive coordinator over his entire career and he is getting a third year with the Steelers--a second with Pickett. NFL teams need strong passing games to succeed and I don't think Canada is the guy who is going to accomplish that.
Maybe he could do another stint with Northern Illinois?
 
I have to think one of two things:

1) Mikey T just doesn't want to have a coach who is well known and has a big profile because of his ego.
2) Art II is as I started this thread, "the new Bob Nutting" and too cheap.

Very well could be parts of both. But my god, I hope it wasn't how they finished the season against the very worst the NFL has to offer. I hope they werent fooled by this. Because that would be very, well foolish.
...AND I am pretty sure that is exactly their thought process behind keeping canada.
 
I have to think one of two things:

1) Mikey T just doesn't want to have a coach who is well known and has a big profile because of his ego.
2) Art II is as I started this thread, "the new Bob Nutting" and too cheap.

Very well could be parts of both. But my god, I hope it wasn't how they finished the season against the very worst the NFL has to offer. I hope they werent fooled by this. Because that would be very, well foolish.
Didn’t he hire Canada , Austin , and Flores as outsiders who all have major coaching experience ?
These were well known guys
So I don’t think 1 is valid
 
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Didn’t he hire Canada , Austin , and Flores as outsiders who all have major coaching experience ?
These were well known guys
So I don’t think 1 is valid
Do you really consider Canada a well known/experienced NFL coach? College maybe, not NFL, particularly NFL OC caliber.
 
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