OT: Super Bowl in Las Vegas is a disaster

[303vND]

The gambling aspect of Las Vegas is causing some serious legal quandaries for the NFL. Players are strictly prohibited from taking betting in any capacity prior to the game. Apparently, this is being ignored as players are openly playing slots, table games, betting books, etc. No one is accusing any players of openly betting on the Super Bowl but the rules of gambling are being ignored. I don't think many of us care about a player playing black jack or slots, but it actually may make bets made on the Super Bowl moot if a player's winning or losing can be attributed to their success/failure on the field. If Brock Purdy lost $25,000 in black jack at the MGM......he could conceivably be influenced to perform a certain way in the Super Bowl. I highly doubt the Super Bowl is ever played in Las Vegas again.

Players are allowed to bet and enter casinos as long as they are not betting on NFL games. The gambling ban is restricted to the two Super Bowl participants.

Players on the other 30 teams may engage in “legal gambling” — but not on the NFL, and they cannot go in a sportsbook until the Super Bowl is over, the league said.

What are the NFL's gambling rules at the Super Bowl?

The league is aiming to balance its sportsbook partnerships and policies preventing players from betting on games.

theathletic.com

 

[jivecat]

Potentially. So for now that’s all there is.

Nobody has ever named themselves more aptly than you. Although id suggest considering changing it to jiveturkey.

Why all the hate? I'm one of the best posters left on this site. All you want to do is attack me and I have no idea what it is from.

 

[pittdan77]

All it takes is one person gambling and all those Super Bowl bets could be GONE.

You need to explain this because someone playing slots isn't going to get the prop bet on the length of the national anthem refunded.

 

[happjack]

Anyone remember Ladbrokes? I grew up basically within walking distance of one, but I don't think I was ever inside. I think they actually regulated who came in. My uncle was a doctor who basically checked every "unwind from a stressful job" box (drinking, smoking, gambling, and golfing), so he went there any time they would come to visit. Was it just a bunch of pre-taped horse races on the televisions that you bet on?

They would show races from other tracks across the US and you could bet on them, daytime was usually thoroughbreds and evenings were harness racing.

 

[jivecat]

Players are allowed to bet and enter casinos as long as they are not betting on NFL games. The gambling ban is restricted to the two Super Bowl participants.

Players on the other 30 teams may engage in “legal gambling” — but not on the NFL, and they cannot go in a sportsbook until the Super Bowl is over, the league said.

What are the NFL's gambling rules at the Super Bowl?

The league is aiming to balance its sportsbook partnerships and policies preventing players from betting on games.

theathletic.com

The NFL strictly prohibits everyone in Las Vegas on official Super Bowl business — including 49ers and Chiefs players — from doing any kind of gambling at all.

players-on-the-49ers-and-chiefs-are-barred-from-gambling-in-vegas-until-the-game-ends

 

[jivecat]

You need to explain this because someone playing slots isn't going to get the prop bet on the length of the national anthem refunded.

I agree with you but there is a line that these NFL players agreed not to cross regarding gambling of any sort. Violation of this agreement opens up the possibility of betting tampering.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Potentially. So for now that’s all there is.

Nobody has ever named themselves more aptly than you. Although id suggest considering changing it to jiveturkey.

no, not potentially, stop it. a player gambling at a table in vegas at a casino is not going to make very super bowl bet thru a sportsbook void.

just stop it, that is beyond stupid..

 

[pittdan77]

I agree with you but there is a line that these NFL players agreed not to cross regarding gambling of any sort. Violation of this agreement opens up the possibility of betting tampering.

I think tampering is only going to be an issue if they are caught betting directly on the game. And a guy doesn't have to be in Vegas for something like that to happen. If anything, being in Vegas makes it more difficult because everyone is watching.

 

[buckage]

It's a tale as old as time.....player loses a bunch of money gambling and decides to do a "small" favor to reduce his financial debt. Are you saying this does not occur?

You've watched too many movies. Vegas is closer to Disney than the mob versions in Goodfellas

 

[jivecat]

no, not potentially, stop it. a player gambling at a table in vegas at a casino is not going to make very super bowl bet thru a sportsbook void.

just stop it, that is beyond stupid..

I hate dealing in hypotheticals but let's say a player lost $20k at a table. A person who bet $1,000,000 on that player's team to win witnesses him losing. In turn....a few days later that player/team loses the game. The bettor who lost $1,000,000 would have a pathway to pursue the refund of his money because he was under the impression no player was allowed to gamble....and he would win because the player broke the rules. This is the issue at hand....not the act of gambling. This is what the players union is trying to change.

 

[Upg bobcat]

You've watched too many movies. Vegas is closer to Disney than the mob versions in Goodfellas

Even the movies would tell you that Vegas has been subject to Disneyfication ... Ace Rothstein explained it nicely.

 

[pittdan77]

I hate dealing in hypotheticals but let's say a player lost $20k at a table. A person who bet $1,000,000 on that player's team to win witnesses him losing. In turn....a few days later that player/team loses the game. The bettor who lost $1,000,000 would have a pathway to pursue the refund of his money because he was under the impression no player was allowed to gamble....and he would win because the player broke the rules. This is the issue at hand....not the act of gambling. This is what the players union is trying to change.

Nobody is getting a refund in that scenario. You don't get your money back over coincidences.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Why all the hate? I'm one of the best posters left on this site.

Hate’s quite strong.

And that second statement - hoooo boy. Yea. Ok.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

no, not potentially, stop it. a player gambling at a table in vegas at a casino is not going to make very super bowl bet thru a sportsbook void.

just stop it, that is beyond stupid..

I’m not getting into that level of detail.

I’m not sure why you’re having such a hard time. The OP made fairly outrageous claims. There’s been zero support or evidence of any of it. No more no less.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I’m not getting into that level of detail.

I’m not sure why you’re having such a hard time. The OP made fairly outrageous claims. There’s been zero support or evidence of any of it. No more no less.

we are saying the same thing.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

I think the Super Bowl and Vegas are a perfect marriage. It should be played there every year. Fairly central, location, Great weather, Plenty of hotel and restaurant capacity and lots for visitors to do.

As for the players playing table games concern and that Brock Purdy hypothetical, seriously, WTF?

You need a map.

 

[happjack]

I hate dealing in hypotheticals but let's say a player lost $20k at a table. A person who bet $1,000,000 on that player's team to win witnesses him losing. In turn....a few days later that player/team loses the game. The bettor who lost $1,000,000 would have a pathway to pursue the refund of his money because he was under the impression no player was allowed to gamble....and he would win because the player broke the rules. This is the issue at hand....not the act of gambling. This is what the players union is trying to change.

Anyone who tries to get their bet refunded will get the same treatment of Albert Brooks did in this scene.

 

[303vND]

The NFL strictly prohibits everyone in Las Vegas on official Super Bowl business — including 49ers and Chiefs players — from doing any kind of gambling at all.

players-on-the-49ers-and-chiefs-are-barred-from-gambling-in-vegas-until-the-game-ends

Players are not on official business - their season is over!

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

You need a map.

Not really. How many airports in America offer direct flights to Vegas?

 

[upj87]

It's a tale as old as time.....player loses a bunch of money gambling and decides to do a "small" favor to reduce his financial debt. Are you saying this does not occur?

And this can happen at a casino in Miami or LA or Detroit or Pittsbugh..

 

[PittPharm2002]

The gambling aspect of Las Vegas is causing some serious legal quandaries for the NFL. Players are strictly prohibited from taking betting in any capacity prior to the game. Apparently, this is being ignored as players are openly playing slots, table games, betting books, etc. No one is accusing any players of openly betting on the Super Bowl but the rules of gambling are being ignored. I don't think many of us care about a player playing black jack or slots, but it actually may make bets made on the Super Bowl moot if a player's winning or losing can be attributed to their success/failure on the field. If Brock Purdy lost $25,000 in black jack at the MGM......he could conceivably be influenced to perform a certain way in the Super Bowl. I highly doubt the Super Bowl is ever played in Las Vegas again.

Citizens arrest is the only solution !

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

They might have been live. I'm just assuming there wouldn't be enough content for them to just show live races all day. But I'm honestly not sure what all was in there as far as other entertainment (a bar, etc.) goes. I assume they at least served food.

They absolutely were live. Ladbrookes for a while owned the Meadows, which is why they were allowed to open those satellite facilities in the Pittsburgh area. The Meadows ran live afternoon racing a couple days a week back then (I don't know if they still do). Many other tracks around the country did the same thing, maybe two or three afternoons per week they ran races. Between the dozens of tracks there was pretty much always someone open and racing.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

(I don't know if they still do)

I just looked at the Meadows' racing calendar. They now only race three days a week in the winter and four in the summer. The starting time for almost all of their cards is 12:45. The only time they race at night anymore is Fridays in the summer when they start at 5:10. The only other days they start at a different, and in fact earlier, time, is the days of the three triple crown races and the day that they run the Adios.

 

[HOF Coach]

First let me say that I only read a few of the postings in this thread.

However, I just wanted to share this with you.

My son-in-law had been in Las Vegas since Friday February 2nd, providing security for the NFL offices inside of Caesars. When I talked to him on Saturday, February 3rd, I asked him how did he do gambling on Friday night.

His response: "The NFL strictly prohibits me (and others working here on their behalf) from any form of gambling before the Super Bowl game is played. I am not even allowed to play a slot machine."

So there's that...

 

[Saboteur II]

Dude, this is the league who embraced Ray Lewis and rehabilitated his image. This is the league who have ray rice only a 2 game suspension for abusing women until there was video evidence and then they were left with no choice. This is also the league who has inexplicably pimped for Myles Garrett everywhere they could until he was named their defensive poster child last night. The same Myles Garrett who used his helmet as a weapon and then accused a good man of being a racist as an excuse. That’s pretty high up on the P.O.S. ladder and instead of just sweeping it under the rug, they go all in on him.

I predict a Vegas Super Bowl will be in heavy rotation like Miami, LA, and New Orleans used to be.

Agree. The NFL is a slut for money and glam.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Agree. The NFL is a slut for money and glam.

The one thing I have in common with the nfl

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

They absolutely were live. Ladbrookes for a while owned the Meadows, which is why they were allowed to open those satellite facilities in the Pittsburgh area. The Meadows ran live afternoon racing a couple days a week back then (I don't know if they still do). Many other tracks around the country did the same thing, maybe two or three afternoons per week they ran races. Between the dozens of tracks there was pretty much always someone open and racing.

thank you for confirming. i was gonna be pissed if these were pre recorded..

I'll tell you what though, i honestly think back in the day the local boroughs would have the casino night fundraiser for fireman. Basically you can gamble and drink for 5 bucks and it was allowed cause the proceeds would go to the local fire dept.

And there, i remember they would have recorded harness races and horse races where you bet on. Again, just small wager stuff, all in the name of the fire dept. so it wasnt like anyone was scamming the system at these.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

They absolutely were live. Ladbrookes for a while owned the Meadows, which is why they were allowed to open those satellite facilities in the Pittsburgh area. The Meadows ran live afternoon racing a couple days a week back then (I don't know if they still do). Many other tracks around the country did the same thing, maybe two or three afternoons per week they ran races. Between the dozens of tracks there was pretty much always someone open and racing.

Interesting. I believe I recall them changing the name from Ladbrokes to The Meadows at one time. Or it could have been vice versa. So I figured there was at least some type of affiliation (though I don't know if having the word "broke" in your name is typically an advised move for a gambling outfit). I used to do summer help at a nearby school when I was like 16, and I remember the one janitor riding his bike there all the time because he had too many DUIs.

We also took a field trip to The Meadows back in the day, and they painted it as some magical horse sanctuary. Meanwhile, they were probably running them into the ground until they were either shot or turned into Alpo.

 

[happjack]

Interesting. I believe I recall them changing the name from Ladbrokes to The Meadows at one time. Or it could have been vice versa. So I figured there was at least some type of affiliation (though I don't know if having the word "broke" in your name is typically an advised move for a gambling outfit). I used to do summer help at a nearby school when I was like 16, and I remember the one janitor riding his bike there all the time because he had too many DUIs.

We also took a field trip to The Meadows back in the day, and they painted it as some magical horse sanctuary. Meanwhile, they were probably running them into the ground until they were either shot or turned into Alpo.

Ladbrokes was the company that owned The Meadows for a bit.

Yeah almost all those horses end up at the dog food, glue or jello factories.

 

[jivecat]

I was golfing with my friends yesterday and bounced my NFL-gambling theory off them and they thought it was idiotic.

 

[sonofabit]

Umm, the Super Bowl has been in cities with casino's multiple times and I don't think there's any rule against players playing table games and slots in a legal casino. When the Super Bowl was in Detroit, I saw Ben and Max Starks playing blackjack and other Steelers wandering around the casino, this was the Wednesday before the game.


Brock Purdy isn't going to risk the payday he's going to get when his contact is up, along with the endorsement money he's getting and will get because he lost 25K at Caesars Palace. The amount that would needed to be bet for a starter to tank in the Super Bowl would raise so many red flags that the books both legal and illegal would turn the bet away and report it.

Las Vegas is going to be a regular stop in the Super Bowl rotation, along with Miami, New Orleans, and LA.

How about including Big D at Jones’ place?

 

[BFo8]

Keep spending money in our city. Thanks.

Way less intrusive on the locals than the recent Formula 1 race.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I was golfing with my friends yesterday and bounced my NFL-gambling theory off them and they thought it was idiotic.

Don’t give up on this moral crusade !
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Ladbrokes was the company that owned The Meadows for a bit.

Yes, the Meadows existed long before Ladbrokes had anything to do with it. Ladbrokes was (and maybe still is) a big sports book in England. They bought the Meadows right around the time that PA passed the law that allowed the state's race tracks to open up the off site betting locations. I don't even know with the advent of legalized casinos in PA if any of those places are still open any more.

Ladbrokes sold the whole operation off I don't know, maybe 20 years ago now.

 

[YourPittDanceTeam]

The gambling aspect of Las Vegas is causing some serious legal quandaries for the NFL. Players are strictly prohibited from taking betting in any capacity prior to the game. Apparently, this is being ignored as players are openly playing slots, table games, betting books, etc. No one is accusing any players of openly betting on the Super Bowl but the rules of gambling are being ignored. I don't think many of us care about a player playing black jack or slots, but it actually may make bets made on the Super Bowl moot if a player's winning or losing can be attributed to their success/failure on the field. If Brock Purdy lost $25,000 in black jack at the MGM......he could conceivably be influenced to perform a certain way in the Super Bowl. I highly doubt the Super Bowl is ever played in Las Vegas again.

These NFL players are grown men, with spouses, friends and family. If any if them wanted to place a wager on the Super Bowl (and I am sure that most of them have or will before kickoff) they could just give the money to one of those people and them place it for them. I am willing to bet that most of them have done this already during the regular season. Lastly, if Brock Purdy were to have lost $25,000 dollars in black jack at the MGM, I don't think that it would faze him at all. The man is a multi-millionaire already, $25,000 to him is nothing.
I get the point that you were trying to make in your post, but it really isn't controllable by the NFL. If these guys want to place a wager on the game, they will.

 

[Upg bobcat]

So what's the final verdict on whether it was a disaster or not? I did not hear about any logistical problems or anything with the Vegas Super Bowl, no stars got themselves suspended for the big game, etc., but I have not been paying that close attention.

 

[upj87]

So what's the final verdict on whether it was a disaster or not? I did not hear about any logistical problems or anything with the Vegas Super Bowl, no stars got themselves suspended for the big game, etc., but I have not been paying that close attention.

The '76 Panthers on Bourbon Street in New Orleans make these guys in Vegas look like nuns on a retreat in Guadalupe

 

[pittdan77]

So what's the final verdict on whether it was a disaster or not? I did not hear about any logistical problems or anything with the Vegas Super Bowl, no stars got themselves suspended for the big game, etc., but I have not been paying that close attention.

Probably going to end up being one of the most profitable SB's for the league so I'm guessing that other than the halftime show, no disasters.

 

[jivecat]

So what's the final verdict on whether it was a disaster or not? I did not hear about any logistical problems or anything with the Vegas Super Bowl, no stars got themselves suspended for the big game, etc., but I have not been paying that close attention.

By all accounts, it worked out OK. I get the feeling a blind eye was turned in many cases.

 

[PittPanther44]

The gambling aspect of Las Vegas is causing some serious legal quandaries for the NFL. Players are strictly prohibited from taking betting in any capacity prior to the game. Apparently, this is being ignored as players are openly playing slots, table games, betting books, etc. No one is accusing any players of openly betting on the Super Bowl but the rules of gambling are being ignored. I don't think many of us care about a player playing black jack or slots, but it actually may make bets made on the Super Bowl moot if a player's winning or losing can be attributed to their success/failure on the field. If Brock Purdy lost $25,000 in black jack at the MGM......he could conceivably be influenced to perform a certain way in the Super Bowl. I highly doubt the Super Bowl is ever played in Las Vegas again.

Lol - so you think the casino could say “hey, we need you to throw at least 2 picks”. If you do, the 25k is forgiven”. Or I even the $100k.

Lol again…he isn’t going to jeopardize the ability to earn 10s….if not 100s….of millions for that.