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OT: The Good Nitter

I get your point but you're talking about academic types in universities. It's really hard to say what their motives were/are.

The Second Mile Hands Reached Out And They Reached Wide
Now You May Feel It Should Have Been A Voluntary Cause
But That's Not The Point My Lion Friends
When The Money Keeps Rolling In, You Don't Ask How
Think Of All The Happy Valley Fans Guaranteed A Good Time Now
Penn State's And Hungry Old Main, Open Up The Doors
Never Been A Fund Like The PSU Foundation, The Second Mile & Thon?

{PSU Trustees, Alumni, Students & Fans:}
Rollin' Rollin' Rollin', Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Rollin' On In, Rollin' On In
On In

{Sandusky & Spanier & The Second Mile}
Would You Like To Try A College Education?
Own Your Landlord's House,
Take The Paterno Family On Vacation?
Penn State's Sandusky And His Blessed Second Mile
Can Make Your Dreams Come True
Here's All You Have To Do My Friends
Write Your Name And Your Dream
On A Card Or A Pad Or A Ticket
Throw It High In The Air
And Should Our Coach Pick You
Jerry Will Change Your Way Of Life For A Week
Or Even Two Like His Adopted Sons
Name Me Anyone Who Cares
As Much As Sandusky's Fun
Through Penn State Funds?

{PSU Cult Dolts Fans}
Rollin' On Out, Rollin' On Out
Rollin' On Out, Rollin' On Out
On Out

{Trustees- Paterno Businesses, Sandusky, Curley & Spanier}
And The Money Kept Rolling Out In All Directions
To The Thon, To The Salaries,
To The Paterno Family Employees Of All Complexions
Now Cynics Claim A Little Of The Cash
Has Spanier’s Not Knowing Athletic Integrity Compliance’s
But That's Not The Point My Freeh's Friends
When The Money Keeps Rolling Out,
You Don't Keep Title IX Compliance’s,
You Can Tell You've Done Well
By The Happy Valley Alumni Grateful Looks
Clery Act Laws Only Slow Things Down,
NCAA Rules And Arrests Figures Get In The Way
Never Been A Loved
As Much As JoePa, Sandusky’s & Second Mile

{Ziegler, PS4RS, Elected Trustees}
Rollin' On Out, Rollin' On Out
Rollin' On Out, Rollin' On Out
On Out

{Franco Cut Out}
Demand Joepa Due Process!
When The Money Keeps Rolling Out,
You Don't Keep Clery Act Compliance’s,
You Can Tell You've Done Well,
By The Happy Valley Players Grateful Looks,
Investigations Only Slow Things Down,
Arrests & Convictions Get In The Way,
Never Been A NCAA Football Program,
Loved As Much As Penn State Success?

{PSU Barron & Barbour Chants}


Rollin' On Out, Rollin' On Out
On Out??????

 
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They are not all mind numbed Joebots.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/03/juror_penn_state_ex-presidents.html

Seems like a rational person who took the task of being a juror seriously. Now, I fear she will face backlash in some form.
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So is this the e-mail that started out "after talking it over with Joe"? If he would've made it to trial I don't know if that would've been as damning evidence against him or not, but I think anyone in the public up in the air about him would've definitely thought negatively of him after hearing this.
The People Of The Commonwealth Pennsylvania, Children Defense Advocates, Parents In Every Pennsylvania County Have Gratitude To The Trustee's Louis Freeh Investigation & Schultz's Secretary For Finding Those Emails And Correcting The PAOAG Presentments And Spanier's Own Complicity Thinking All Emails Had Been Destroyed By His Computer Change in 2004!
 
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No matter how you cut it, the term good nitter is an oxymoron. This lady graduated from UPS but still did the right thing. So she's not a true nitter.
Unfortunately, one cannot argue otherwise, there are fewer of hers and hims, then out spoken Cult Dolts now in disbelief and running out of for others to keep blaming as they keep changing their Narratives it was the McQueary, Media, and All People but their Dear Old State????
 
"recruitsreadtheseboards, post: 1855226, member: 2328"]Owt's list of places where something else like this can happen:
Good Insight on some but not all.....Hmmmnnnnn.......
1) State College, PA. {Sandusky & Spanier?}
2) Tuscaloosa, Alabama {Bear & Saban Would Not Remain Silent!}
3) Lexington, KY {The Petrino & Pitino ULou's Duo Apologies?}
4) Knoxville, TN {Not Sure No Need To Insult Majors!}
5) Lincoln, Ne {Spanier Again??}

Just A Guess To A Hunch!
 
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Actually, child rape is a northeast thing. You see more flat out neglect in the south and west.
Not sure, The Movie "Spotlight" listed USA & Worldwide Cities where that Scandal has traveled and was reported? However, Penn State Football Scandal was limited to Football as seen in Highest $60 Million Fines in NCAA History & Highest Educational Athletic Integrity Title IX-Clery Act $2.4 Million Fines in History!

Now that is a Legacy of a Record set during the Paterno Football Errors!
 
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About 1 hr East of you but it's all solid Nitter country!
Yup doctors, educators, lawyers, business people, social workers, etc most deny PSU football or the U have anything to do with the issue!
People who haven't experienced it don't understand how off base these people are especially when a few of them get together and the topic comes up.

Oh, that's absolutely true.

I have told this story before. I was at a wedding a few years ago in York, PA. It was my wife's college roommate's wedding. They met at Penn State.

The bride's father spent the entire father of the bride speech going on and on about how incredibly proud he was that his daughter graduated from Penn State and how she was marrying another Penn Stater, so he knew the young man was of high moral fiber.

That's not a joke, that is honestly what he said and he CLEARLY was not kidding. Also, he talked about Penn State like his daughter had graduated from Harvard. Jokingly, I turned to my wife at one point and said, "He realizes she went to Penn State, not Penn, right." My wife smiled and I thought some of the others would laugh but they did not.

He then proceeded to rant about the NCAA's sanctions and what "they did to Joe." This was literally during the father of the bride speech. Also, he was getting cheers. It was completely bizarre on every level.

I am not kidding when I say that it was basically a razor's edge whether or not he was going to break down crying. Ultimately, he kept it together but it was close.... and it was so, so weird… and also so, so hilarious.

As the wedding wound down, we ended up in a smaller group of mostly her college friends and their husbands/boyfriends.

I have known most of those people for a long time and have always gotten along with them. In a few instances I would even go so far as to call them friends, rather than my wife's friend's husband. I was in fantasy football leagues and NCAA tournament brackets with some of those guys. We all even went to the beach the year before and had a good time.

Anyway, we are all sitting around the table at the end of the night and again the topic of sanctions comes up.

You have to understand that everyone, myself included, had had a lot of drinks at that point and was tired.

However, the conversation kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was paranoid, it was conspiratorial, and it was incredibly arrogant.

My wife, knowing that her husband has strong opinions on this issue, is literally grabbing my leg underneath the table as if to say, "I know, I know. But not here and not now."

She does that a lot with me and she's almost always right. I fully intended to hold my water there.

In deference to her, I kept my mouth shut through most of it and I was even trying to make light of it. However, they wanted to talk about it and they were not in a joking mood. Basically, they wanted to commiserate and I just didn't want to hear it because I think that's a ludicrously narrow perspective on that situation.

Then it turned to whether or not the "victims" - and TWO of them used air quotes to describe the victims - were really victims at all, opining that they were likely doing all of this for the money.

At that point, the dog broke free from his chain and bit the living shitt out of everyone. It was ugly - definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I didn't yell or anything like that – at least not by my standard – but I was very stern with them and I made it perfectly clear to everyone that had spoken that I thought they were all way off base.

I also opined that the mentality they were showing is exactly why something like that could happen at Penn State.

I was right. I knew I was right and more importantly so too did they. A few of them tried to object but I know that entire situation backwards and forwards and I just crush them with common sense reactions.

I would ask them things like, "Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the 1998 investigation? He's the biggest cheese in that town but he doesn't know that his defensive coordinator is under investigation for child molestation?"

I then followed up with, "Do you know when Sandusky retired? Following the 1998 football season, that's when. In retrospect, doesn't that seem curious to you?

"So, assuming that Paterno knew about 1998, because he very clearly did, how could he possibly react to McQueary's allegations the way he did and still be considered a victim in this in any way? You could use a lot of words to describe Paterno but 'victim' (and you had better believe that I used air quotes) would be near the bottom of my list.

"Further, why would he wait several days to mention it to anyone so as not to 'ruin anybody's weekend?'

"I mean, if this was not a credible accusation or there was no prior suspicion, that's one thing. However, this would've been at least the second time he had heard this allegation.

"Any normal human being would've been on the phone with the chief of police in that moment. Instead, who did he call? Who did he spend the rest of the weekend with? He spent it with his attorney son and his personal attorney trying to figure out what the hell they could do to cover their asses but not blow the lid off this thing.

There are no legitimate answers to those questions because anyone with a brain understands that when put in that context, which is the only honest way to approach the entire situation, it is extremely clear exactly what happened there. Now, not everyone has the character to admit it, but everyone knows the truth - even those pretending otherwise.

After a few minutes of just scoffing at their weak responses, everyone just shut down. A bunch of them got up from the table and walked away all pissed off and others just refused to even look at me. In other words, they were every bit as disgusted with me as I was with them.

What was there really to say?

After a few more minutes of awkward silence, my wife excused us and we headed back to our room.

Somewhat surprisingly, once we got to our room, my wife told me I was absolutely right and that she was not at all upset with me for voicing my opinion. She said they were all acting like monsters and they needed to be hammered there. I agreed with her but I was very surprised that was her position.

The next morning, we all went down to breakfast before hitting the road and it was so awkward.

People wouldn't even look at me. Literally, my wife and I sat all by ourselves. The bride and her husband came over briefly but that was it.

The next year everyone went on another beach vacation and they never called us. A few of them have visited Pittsburgh and have opted to stay in hotels rather than with us – as had always happened previously.

I'm sure that the consensus among that group is that I am a maniac because I had the temerity to tell the truth.

Honestly, it doesn't really bother me. However, I do feel badly for how it has impacted my wife. Those are long time friends of hers and she values those relationships.

Still, we have two little ones so we are pretty busy anyway. Also, only one of them lives close to Pittsburgh so it's not like we were going to see them often anyway. Maybe in time she will patch things up with her friends? Truthfully, she should go hang out with them by herself – I don't care. That's probably best for everyone.

However, I've thought about it many times and the truth is I did not say one thing that night in York that I don't believe to be true and I really don't regret standing up for the truth there.
 
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von Yonzer...That. Is. Fantastic. Tremendous.

I grew up in central PA as well, and had to deal with all of the We Are...Better Than You.

I recall how many folks there boasted about JVP and talked about him as he was gifted to the world by God, and that they were somehow connected to Joe. They talked about Joe almost as if he were God himself. PSU cultists bragged about how JVP ran a clean program, never had an NCAA violation, graduated their players, etc. They also bragged aboutd how Joe was as sharp as a tack and knew everything that occurred if it involved his FB players...

Then, after his GJ testimony, the nitters wanted to call JVP old and feeble.

So let me get this straight:

Cultists wanted to brag about how JVP knew everything about his players and program and what went on then all of sudden when the feces hit the fan, He knew nothing?!?!

I'm pressing the BS button on that!
 
Oh, that's absolutely true.

I have told this story before. I was at a wedding a few years ago in York, PA. It was my wife's college roommate's wedding. They met at Penn State.

The bride's father spent the entire father of the bride speech going on and on about how incredibly proud he was that his daughter graduated from Penn State and how she was marrying another Penn Stater, so he knew the young man was of high moral fiber.

That's not a joke, that is honestly what he said and he CLEARLY was not kidding. Also, he talked about Penn State like his daughter had graduated from Harvard. Jokingly, I turned to my wife at one point and said, "He realizes she went to Penn State, not Penn, right." My wife smiled and I thought some of the others would laugh but they did not.

He then proceeded to rant about the NCAA's sanctions and what "they did to Joe." This was literally during the father of the bride speech. Also, he was getting cheers. It was completely bizarre on every level.

I am not kidding when I say that it was basically a razor's edge whether or not he was going to break down crying. Ultimately, he kept it together but it was close.... and it was so, so weird… and also so, so hilarious.

As the wedding wound down, we ended up in a smaller group of mostly her college friends and their husbands/boyfriends.

I have known most of those people for a long time and have always gotten along with them. In a few instances I would even go so far as to call them friends, rather than my wife's friend's husband. I was in fantasy football leagues and NCAA tournament brackets with some of those guys. We all even went to the beach the year before and had a good time.

Anyway, we are all sitting around the table at the end of the night and again the topic of sanctions comes up.

You have to understand that everyone, myself included, had had a lot of drinks at that point and was tired.

However, the conversation kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was paranoid, it was conspiratorial, and it was incredibly arrogant.

My wife, knowing that her husband has strong opinions on this issue, is literally grabbing my leg underneath the table as if to say, "I know, I know. But not here and not now."

She does that a lot with me and she's almost always right. I fully intended to hold my water there.

In deference to her, I kept my mouth shut through most of it and I was even trying to make light of it. However, they wanted to talk about it and they were not in a joking mood. Basically, they wanted to commiserate and I just didn't want to hear it because I think that's a ludicrously narrow perspective on that situation.

Then it turned to whether or not the "victims" - and TWO of them used air quotes to describe the victims - were really victims at all, opining that they were likely doing all of this for the money.

At that point, the dog broke free from his chain and bit the living shitt out of everyone. It was ugly - definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I didn't yell or anything like that – at least not by my standard – but I was very stern with them and I made it perfectly clear to everyone that had spoken that I thought they were all way off base.

I also opined that the mentality they were showing is exactly why something like that could happen at Penn State.

I was right. I knew I was right and more importantly so too did they. A few of them tried to object but I know that entire situation backwards and forwards and I just crush them with common sense reactions.

I would ask them things like, "Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the 1998 investigation? He's the biggest cheese in that town but he doesn't know that his defensive coordinator is under investigation for child molestation?"

I then followed up with, "Do you know when Sandusky retired? Following the 1998 football season, that's when. In retrospect, doesn't that seem curious to you?

"So, assuming that Paterno knew about 1998, because he very clearly did, how could he possibly react to McQueary's allegations the way he did and still be considered a victim in this in any way? You could use a lot of words to describe Paterno but 'victim' (and you had better believe that I used air quotes) would be near the bottom of my list.

"Further, why would he wait several days to mention it to anyone so as not to 'ruin anybody's weekend?'

"I mean, if this was not a credible accusation or there was no prior suspicion, that's one thing. However, this would've been at least the second time he had heard this allegation.

"Any normal human being would've been on the phone with the chief of police in that moment. Instead, who did he call? Who did he spend the rest of the weekend with? He spent it with his attorney son and his personal attorney trying to figure out what the hell they could do to cover their asses but not blow the lid off this thing.

There are no legitimate answers to those questions because anyone with a brain understands that when put in that context, which is the only honest way to approach the entire situation, it is extremely clear exactly what happened there. Now, not everyone has the character to admit it, but everyone knows the truth - even those pretending otherwise.

After a few minutes of just scoffing at their weak responses, everyone just shut down. A bunch of them got up from the table and walked away all pissed off and others just refused to even look at me. In other words, they were every bit as disgusted with me as I was with them.

What was there really to say?

After a few more minutes of awkward silence, my wife excused us and we headed back to our room.

Somewhat surprisingly, once we got to our room, my wife told me I was absolutely right and that she was not at all upset with me for voicing my opinion. She said they were all acting like monsters and they needed to be hammered there. I agreed with her but I was very surprised that was her position.

The next morning, we all went down to breakfast before hitting the road and it was so awkward.

People wouldn't even look at me. Literally, my wife and I sat all by ourselves. The bride and her husband came over briefly but that was it.

The next year everyone went on another beach vacation and they never called us. A few of them have visited Pittsburgh and have opted to stay in hotels rather than with us – as had always happened previously.

I'm sure that the consensus among that group is that I am a maniac because I had the temerity to tell the truth.

Honestly, it doesn't really bother me. However, I do feel badly for how it has impacted my wife. Those are long time friends of hers and she values those relationships.

Still, we have two little ones so we are pretty busy anyway. Also, only one of them lives close to Pittsburgh so it's not like we were going to see them often anyway. Maybe in time she will patch things up with her friends? Truthfully, she should go hang out with them by herself – I don't care. That's probably best for everyone.

However, I've thought about it many times and the truth is I did not say one thing that night in York that I don't believe to be true and I really don't regret standing up for the truth there.
Honestly I'm always at a loss why anyone's speech at a wedding would be about anything but happiness and the bride and groom. And we've been there - even including a slideshow of the groom's dead brother. No joke. It was one of the most inappropriate moments I've ever sat through.
 
Oh, that's absolutely true.

I have told this story before. I was at a wedding a few years ago in York, PA. It was my wife's college roommate's wedding. They met at Penn State.

The bride's father spent the entire father of the bride speech going on and on about how incredibly proud he was that his daughter graduated from Penn State and how she was marrying another Penn Stater, so he knew the young man was of high moral fiber.

That's not a joke, that is honestly what he said and he CLEARLY was not kidding. Also, he talked about Penn State like his daughter had graduated from Harvard. Jokingly, I turned to my wife at one point and said, "He realizes she went to Penn State, not Penn, right." My wife smiled and I thought some of the others would laugh but they did not.

He then proceeded to rant about the NCAA's sanctions and what "they did to Joe." This was literally during the father of the bride speech. Also, he was getting cheers. It was completely bizarre on every level.

I am not kidding when I say that it was basically a razor's edge whether or not he was going to break down crying. Ultimately, he kept it together but it was close.... and it was so, so weird… and also so, so hilarious.

As the wedding wound down, we ended up in a smaller group of mostly her college friends and their husbands/boyfriends.

I have known most of those people for a long time and have always gotten along with them. In a few instances I would even go so far as to call them friends, rather than my wife's friend's husband. I was in fantasy football leagues and NCAA tournament brackets with some of those guys. We all even went to the beach the year before and had a good time.

Anyway, we are all sitting around the table at the end of the night and again the topic of sanctions comes up.

You have to understand that everyone, myself included, had had a lot of drinks at that point and was tired.

However, the conversation kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was paranoid, it was conspiratorial, and it was incredibly arrogant.

My wife, knowing that her husband has strong opinions on this issue, is literally grabbing my leg underneath the table as if to say, "I know, I know. But not here and not now."

She does that a lot with me and she's almost always right. I fully intended to hold my water there.

In deference to her, I kept my mouth shut through most of it and I was even trying to make light of it. However, they wanted to talk about it and they were not in a joking mood. Basically, they wanted to commiserate and I just didn't want to hear it because I think that's a ludicrously narrow perspective on that situation.

Then it turned to whether or not the "victims" - and TWO of them used air quotes to describe the victims - were really victims at all, opining that they were likely doing all of this for the money.

At that point, the dog broke free from his chain and bit the living shitt out of everyone. It was ugly - definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I didn't yell or anything like that – at least not by my standard – but I was very stern with them and I made it perfectly clear to everyone that had spoken that I thought they were all way off base.

I also opined that the mentality they were showing is exactly why something like that could happen at Penn State.

I was right. I knew I was right and more importantly so too did they. A few of them tried to object but I know that entire situation backwards and forwards and I just crush them with common sense reactions.

I would ask them things like, "Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the 1998 investigation? He's the biggest cheese in that town but he doesn't know that his defensive coordinator is under investigation for child molestation?"

I then followed up with, "Do you know when Sandusky retired? Following the 1998 football season, that's when. In retrospect, doesn't that seem curious to you?

"So, assuming that Paterno knew about 1998, because he very clearly did, how could he possibly react to McQueary's allegations the way he did and still be considered a victim in this in any way? You could use a lot of words to describe Paterno but 'victim' (and you had better believe that I used air quotes) would be near the bottom of my list.

"Further, why would he wait several days to mention it to anyone so as not to 'ruin anybody's weekend?'

"I mean, if this was not a credible accusation or there was no prior suspicion, that's one thing. However, this would've been at least the second time he had heard this allegation.

"Any normal human being would've been on the phone with the chief of police in that moment. Instead, who did he call? Who did he spend the rest of the weekend with? He spent it with his attorney son and his personal attorney trying to figure out what the hell they could do to cover their asses but not blow the lid off this thing.

There are no legitimate answers to those questions because anyone with a brain understands that when put in that context, which is the only honest way to approach the entire situation, it is extremely clear exactly what happened there. Now, not everyone has the character to admit it, but everyone knows the truth - even those pretending otherwise.

After a few minutes of just scoffing at their weak responses, everyone just shut down. A bunch of them got up from the table and walked away all pissed off and others just refused to even look at me. In other words, they were every bit as disgusted with me as I was with them.

What was there really to say?

After a few more minutes of awkward silence, my wife excused us and we headed back to our room.

Somewhat surprisingly, once we got to our room, my wife told me I was absolutely right and that she was not at all upset with me for voicing my opinion. She said they were all acting like monsters and they needed to be hammered there. I agreed with her but I was very surprised that was her position.

The next morning, we all went down to breakfast before hitting the road and it was so awkward.

People wouldn't even look at me. Literally, my wife and I sat all by ourselves. The bride and her husband came over briefly but that was it.

The next year everyone went on another beach vacation and they never called us. A few of them have visited Pittsburgh and have opted to stay in hotels rather than with us – as had always happened previously.

I'm sure that the consensus among that group is that I am a maniac because I had the temerity to tell the truth.

Honestly, it doesn't really bother me. However, I do feel badly for how it has impacted my wife. Those are long time friends of hers and she values those relationships.

Still, we have two little ones so we are pretty busy anyway. Also, only one of them lives close to Pittsburgh so it's not like we were going to see them often anyway. Maybe in time she will patch things up with her friends? Truthfully, she should go hang out with them by herself – I don't care. That's probably best for everyone.

However, I've thought about it many times and the truth is I did not say one thing that night in York that I don't believe to be true and I really don't regret standing up for the truth there.

That is awesome DVY!

You did your wife a favour by getting her away from those lunatics. Besides, do you really want people like that around your kids? Or around any kids for that matter.
 
Oh, that's absolutely true.

I have told this story before. I was at a wedding a few years ago in York, PA. It was my wife's college roommate's wedding. They met at Penn State.

The bride's father spent the entire father of the bride speech going on and on about how incredibly proud he was that his daughter graduated from Penn State and how she was marrying another Penn Stater, so he knew the young man was of high moral fiber.

That's not a joke, that is honestly what he said and he CLEARLY was not kidding. Also, he talked about Penn State like his daughter had graduated from Harvard. Jokingly, I turned to my wife at one point and said, "He realizes she went to Penn State, not Penn, right." My wife smiled and I thought some of the others would laugh but they did not.

He then proceeded to rant about the NCAA's sanctions and what "they did to Joe." This was literally during the father of the bride speech. Also, he was getting cheers. It was completely bizarre on every level.

I am not kidding when I say that it was basically a razor's edge whether or not he was going to break down crying. Ultimately, he kept it together but it was close.... and it was so, so weird… and also so, so hilarious.

As the wedding wound down, we ended up in a smaller group of mostly her college friends and their husbands/boyfriends.

I have known most of those people for a long time and have always gotten along with them. In a few instances I would even go so far as to call them friends, rather than my wife's friend's husband. I was in fantasy football leagues and NCAA tournament brackets with some of those guys. We all even went to the beach the year before and had a good time.

Anyway, we are all sitting around the table at the end of the night and again the topic of sanctions comes up.

You have to understand that everyone, myself included, had had a lot of drinks at that point and was tired.

However, the conversation kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was paranoid, it was conspiratorial, and it was incredibly arrogant.

My wife, knowing that her husband has strong opinions on this issue, is literally grabbing my leg underneath the table as if to say, "I know, I know. But not here and not now."

She does that a lot with me and she's almost always right. I fully intended to hold my water there.

In deference to her, I kept my mouth shut through most of it and I was even trying to make light of it. However, they wanted to talk about it and they were not in a joking mood. Basically, they wanted to commiserate and I just didn't want to hear it because I think that's a ludicrously narrow perspective on that situation.

Then it turned to whether or not the "victims" - and TWO of them used air quotes to describe the victims - were really victims at all, opining that they were likely doing all of this for the money.

At that point, the dog broke free from his chain and bit the living shitt out of everyone. It was ugly - definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I didn't yell or anything like that – at least not by my standard – but I was very stern with them and I made it perfectly clear to everyone that had spoken that I thought they were all way off base.

I also opined that the mentality they were showing is exactly why something like that could happen at Penn State.

I was right. I knew I was right and more importantly so too did they. A few of them tried to object but I know that entire situation backwards and forwards and I just crush them with common sense reactions.

I would ask them things like, "Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the 1998 investigation? He's the biggest cheese in that town but he doesn't know that his defensive coordinator is under investigation for child molestation?"

I then followed up with, "Do you know when Sandusky retired? Following the 1998 football season, that's when. In retrospect, doesn't that seem curious to you?

"So, assuming that Paterno knew about 1998, because he very clearly did, how could he possibly react to McQueary's allegations the way he did and still be considered a victim in this in any way? You could use a lot of words to describe Paterno but 'victim' (and you had better believe that I used air quotes) would be near the bottom of my list.

"Further, why would he wait several days to mention it to anyone so as not to 'ruin anybody's weekend?'

"I mean, if this was not a credible accusation or there was no prior suspicion, that's one thing. However, this would've been at least the second time he had heard this allegation.

"Any normal human being would've been on the phone with the chief of police in that moment. Instead, who did he call? Who did he spend the rest of the weekend with? He spent it with his attorney son and his personal attorney trying to figure out what the hell they could do to cover their asses but not blow the lid off this thing.

There are no legitimate answers to those questions because anyone with a brain understands that when put in that context, which is the only honest way to approach the entire situation, it is extremely clear exactly what happened there. Now, not everyone has the character to admit it, but everyone knows the truth - even those pretending otherwise.

After a few minutes of just scoffing at their weak responses, everyone just shut down. A bunch of them got up from the table and walked away all pissed off and others just refused to even look at me. In other words, they were every bit as disgusted with me as I was with them.

What was there really to say?

After a few more minutes of awkward silence, my wife excused us and we headed back to our room.

Somewhat surprisingly, once we got to our room, my wife told me I was absolutely right and that she was not at all upset with me for voicing my opinion. She said they were all acting like monsters and they needed to be hammered there. I agreed with her but I was very surprised that was her position.

The next morning, we all went down to breakfast before hitting the road and it was so awkward.

People wouldn't even look at me. Literally, my wife and I sat all by ourselves. The bride and her husband came over briefly but that was it.

The next year everyone went on another beach vacation and they never called us. A few of them have visited Pittsburgh and have opted to stay in hotels rather than with us – as had always happened previously.

I'm sure that the consensus among that group is that I am a maniac because I had the temerity to tell the truth.

Honestly, it doesn't really bother me. However, I do feel badly for how it has impacted my wife. Those are long time friends of hers and she values those relationships.

Still, we have two little ones so we are pretty busy anyway. Also, only one of them lives close to Pittsburgh so it's not like we were going to see them often anyway. Maybe in time she will patch things up with her friends? Truthfully, she should go hang out with them by herself – I don't care. That's probably best for everyone.

However, I've thought about it many times and the truth is I did not say one thing that night in York that I don't believe to be true and I really don't regret standing up for the truth there.
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Oh, that's absolutely true.

I have told this story before. I was at a wedding a few years ago in York, PA. It was my wife's college roommate's wedding. They met at Penn State.

The bride's father spent the entire father of the bride speech going on and on about how incredibly proud he was that his daughter graduated from Penn State and how she was marrying another Penn Stater, so he knew the young man was of high moral fiber.

That's not a joke, that is honestly what he said and he CLEARLY was not kidding. Also, he talked about Penn State like his daughter had graduated from Harvard. Jokingly, I turned to my wife at one point and said, "He realizes she went to Penn State, not Penn, right." My wife smiled and I thought some of the others would laugh but they did not.

He then proceeded to rant about the NCAA's sanctions and what "they did to Joe." This was literally during the father of the bride speech. Also, he was getting cheers. It was completely bizarre on every level.

I am not kidding when I say that it was basically a razor's edge whether or not he was going to break down crying. Ultimately, he kept it together but it was close.... and it was so, so weird… and also so, so hilarious.

As the wedding wound down, we ended up in a smaller group of mostly her college friends and their husbands/boyfriends.

I have known most of those people for a long time and have always gotten along with them. In a few instances I would even go so far as to call them friends, rather than my wife's friend's husband. I was in fantasy football leagues and NCAA tournament brackets with some of those guys. We all even went to the beach the year before and had a good time.

Anyway, we are all sitting around the table at the end of the night and again the topic of sanctions comes up.

You have to understand that everyone, myself included, had had a lot of drinks at that point and was tired.

However, the conversation kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was paranoid, it was conspiratorial, and it was incredibly arrogant.

My wife, knowing that her husband has strong opinions on this issue, is literally grabbing my leg underneath the table as if to say, "I know, I know. But not here and not now."

She does that a lot with me and she's almost always right. I fully intended to hold my water there.

In deference to her, I kept my mouth shut through most of it and I was even trying to make light of it. However, they wanted to talk about it and they were not in a joking mood. Basically, they wanted to commiserate and I just didn't want to hear it because I think that's a ludicrously narrow perspective on that situation.

Then it turned to whether or not the "victims" - and TWO of them used air quotes to describe the victims - were really victims at all, opining that they were likely doing all of this for the money.

At that point, the dog broke free from his chain and bit the living shitt out of everyone. It was ugly - definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I didn't yell or anything like that – at least not by my standard – but I was very stern with them and I made it perfectly clear to everyone that had spoken that I thought they were all way off base.

I also opined that the mentality they were showing is exactly why something like that could happen at Penn State.

I was right. I knew I was right and more importantly so too did they. A few of them tried to object but I know that entire situation backwards and forwards and I just crush them with common sense reactions.

I would ask them things like, "Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the 1998 investigation? He's the biggest cheese in that town but he doesn't know that his defensive coordinator is under investigation for child molestation?"

I then followed up with, "Do you know when Sandusky retired? Following the 1998 football season, that's when. In retrospect, doesn't that seem curious to you?

"So, assuming that Paterno knew about 1998, because he very clearly did, how could he possibly react to McQueary's allegations the way he did and still be considered a victim in this in any way? You could use a lot of words to describe Paterno but 'victim' (and you had better believe that I used air quotes) would be near the bottom of my list.

"Further, why would he wait several days to mention it to anyone so as not to 'ruin anybody's weekend?'

"I mean, if this was not a credible accusation or there was no prior suspicion, that's one thing. However, this would've been at least the second time he had heard this allegation.

"Any normal human being would've been on the phone with the chief of police in that moment. Instead, who did he call? Who did he spend the rest of the weekend with? He spent it with his attorney son and his personal attorney trying to figure out what the hell they could do to cover their asses but not blow the lid off this thing.

There are no legitimate answers to those questions because anyone with a brain understands that when put in that context, which is the only honest way to approach the entire situation, it is extremely clear exactly what happened there. Now, not everyone has the character to admit it, but everyone knows the truth - even those pretending otherwise.

After a few minutes of just scoffing at their weak responses, everyone just shut down. A bunch of them got up from the table and walked away all pissed off and others just refused to even look at me. In other words, they were every bit as disgusted with me as I was with them.

What was there really to say?

After a few more minutes of awkward silence, my wife excused us and we headed back to our room.

Somewhat surprisingly, once we got to our room, my wife told me I was absolutely right and that she was not at all upset with me for voicing my opinion. She said they were all acting like monsters and they needed to be hammered there. I agreed with her but I was very surprised that was her position.

The next morning, we all went down to breakfast before hitting the road and it was so awkward.

People wouldn't even look at me. Literally, my wife and I sat all by ourselves. The bride and her husband came over briefly but that was it.

The next year everyone went on another beach vacation and they never called us. A few of them have visited Pittsburgh and have opted to stay in hotels rather than with us – as had always happened previously.

I'm sure that the consensus among that group is that I am a maniac because I had the temerity to tell the truth.

Honestly, it doesn't really bother me. However, I do feel badly for how it has impacted my wife. Those are long time friends of hers and she values those relationships.

Still, we have two little ones so we are pretty busy anyway. Also, only one of them lives close to Pittsburgh so it's not like we were going to see them often anyway. Maybe in time she will patch things up with her friends? Truthfully, she should go hang out with them by herself – I don't care. That's probably best for everyone.

However, I've thought about it many times and the truth is I did not say one thing that night in York that I don't believe to be true and I really don't regret standing up for the truth there.
I understand completely, Dr. VY. I really do.

Two of my best friends from high school are PSU graduates. These are two extremely intelligent and very successful men, who have always been respected for their moral compass and their dignity.

One worked as a CFO for a major government contractor and he had the highest security clearance available due to the nature of his work with the federal government. He is the godfather of my only child.

My other friend worked as the Executive Director of a local government consortium in our county and has spent his entire career in public service (non-political).

Shortly after the PSU Child Rape Scandal broke, I had lunch dates with each of these men (separately), which we had previously scheduled before these tragic events in State College ever occurred.

Having the good sense to first ask what each thought about it all, before voicing my own disgust, each expressed that they felt that the recently fired, JoePa, was being railroaded and there has been a rush to judgement by the BOT. Each continued defending the "football program" and presented me with the other talking points that the JoeBots were publicly spreading at the time.

IT WAS AT THAT MOMENT THAT I REALIZED THAT THERE TRULY IS A PSU CULT AND THAT IT IS MUCH BIGGER AND MORE WIDESPREAD THAN I HAD EVER IMAGINED. (We all reside in W. PA, so we don't experience the daily PSU propaganda as those who reside in Central or Eastern PA are constantly bombarded with. This is another reason I never expected the reactions that I got from them.)

Words cannot describe my complete shock and utter disappointment with each of them. My best friends were defending the "undefendable"! I literally felt grief and sadness and still do to this day.

Rather than getting into an illogical debate, I simply said that I feel for the children who were victimized and that I hope that the entire truth gets exposed and that those who are found guilty are punished appropriately by the legal system.

When we hosted Penn State this year, I never invited them to attend the game with me, as I had done at just about every PITT/PSU game played in Pittsburgh over the years, going back to games played at PITT Stadium and Three Rivers Stadium. In fact, I never even called either of them to gloat after PITT won. I just didn't want to hear any more excuses from the "cult" as to why they lost (sanctions, etc.).

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Oh, that's absolutely true.

I have told this story before. I was at a wedding a few years ago in York, PA. It was my wife's college roommate's wedding. They met at Penn State.

The bride's father spent the entire father of the bride speech going on and on about how incredibly proud he was that his daughter graduated from Penn State and how she was marrying another Penn Stater, so he knew the young man was of high moral fiber.

That's not a joke, that is honestly what he said and he CLEARLY was not kidding. Also, he talked about Penn State like his daughter had graduated from Harvard. Jokingly, I turned to my wife at one point and said, "He realizes she went to Penn State, not Penn, right." My wife smiled and I thought some of the others would laugh but they did not.

He then proceeded to rant about the NCAA's sanctions and what "they did to Joe." This was literally during the father of the bride speech. Also, he was getting cheers. It was completely bizarre on every level.

I am not kidding when I say that it was basically a razor's edge whether or not he was going to break down crying. Ultimately, he kept it together but it was close.... and it was so, so weird… and also so, so hilarious.

As the wedding wound down, we ended up in a smaller group of mostly her college friends and their husbands/boyfriends.

I have known most of those people for a long time and have always gotten along with them. In a few instances I would even go so far as to call them friends, rather than my wife's friend's husband. I was in fantasy football leagues and NCAA tournament brackets with some of those guys. We all even went to the beach the year before and had a good time.

Anyway, we are all sitting around the table at the end of the night and again the topic of sanctions comes up.

You have to understand that everyone, myself included, had had a lot of drinks at that point and was tired.

However, the conversation kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was paranoid, it was conspiratorial, and it was incredibly arrogant.

My wife, knowing that her husband has strong opinions on this issue, is literally grabbing my leg underneath the table as if to say, "I know, I know. But not here and not now."

She does that a lot with me and she's almost always right. I fully intended to hold my water there.

In deference to her, I kept my mouth shut through most of it and I was even trying to make light of it. However, they wanted to talk about it and they were not in a joking mood. Basically, they wanted to commiserate and I just didn't want to hear it because I think that's a ludicrously narrow perspective on that situation.

Then it turned to whether or not the "victims" - and TWO of them used air quotes to describe the victims - were really victims at all, opining that they were likely doing all of this for the money.

At that point, the dog broke free from his chain and bit the living shitt out of everyone. It was ugly - definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I didn't yell or anything like that – at least not by my standard – but I was very stern with them and I made it perfectly clear to everyone that had spoken that I thought they were all way off base.

I also opined that the mentality they were showing is exactly why something like that could happen at Penn State.

I was right. I knew I was right and more importantly so too did they. A few of them tried to object but I know that entire situation backwards and forwards and I just crush them with common sense reactions.

I would ask them things like, "Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the 1998 investigation? He's the biggest cheese in that town but he doesn't know that his defensive coordinator is under investigation for child molestation?"

I then followed up with, "Do you know when Sandusky retired? Following the 1998 football season, that's when. In retrospect, doesn't that seem curious to you?

"So, assuming that Paterno knew about 1998, because he very clearly did, how could he possibly react to McQueary's allegations the way he did and still be considered a victim in this in any way? You could use a lot of words to describe Paterno but 'victim' (and you had better believe that I used air quotes) would be near the bottom of my list.

"Further, why would he wait several days to mention it to anyone so as not to 'ruin anybody's weekend?'

"I mean, if this was not a credible accusation or there was no prior suspicion, that's one thing. However, this would've been at least the second time he had heard this allegation.

"Any normal human being would've been on the phone with the chief of police in that moment. Instead, who did he call? Who did he spend the rest of the weekend with? He spent it with his attorney son and his personal attorney trying to figure out what the hell they could do to cover their asses but not blow the lid off this thing.

There are no legitimate answers to those questions because anyone with a brain understands that when put in that context, which is the only honest way to approach the entire situation, it is extremely clear exactly what happened there. Now, not everyone has the character to admit it, but everyone knows the truth - even those pretending otherwise.

After a few minutes of just scoffing at their weak responses, everyone just shut down. A bunch of them got up from the table and walked away all pissed off and others just refused to even look at me. In other words, they were every bit as disgusted with me as I was with them.

What was there really to say?

After a few more minutes of awkward silence, my wife excused us and we headed back to our room.

Somewhat surprisingly, once we got to our room, my wife told me I was absolutely right and that she was not at all upset with me for voicing my opinion. She said they were all acting like monsters and they needed to be hammered there. I agreed with her but I was very surprised that was her position.

The next morning, we all went down to breakfast before hitting the road and it was so awkward.

People wouldn't even look at me. Literally, my wife and I sat all by ourselves. The bride and her husband came over briefly but that was it.

The next year everyone went on another beach vacation and they never called us. A few of them have visited Pittsburgh and have opted to stay in hotels rather than with us – as had always happened previously.

I'm sure that the consensus among that group is that I am a maniac because I had the temerity to tell the truth.

Honestly, it doesn't really bother me. However, I do feel badly for how it has impacted my wife. Those are long time friends of hers and she values those relationships.

Still, we have two little ones so we are pretty busy anyway. Also, only one of them lives close to Pittsburgh so it's not like we were going to see them often anyway. Maybe in time she will patch things up with her friends? Truthfully, she should go hang out with them by herself – I don't care. That's probably best for everyone.

However, I've thought about it many times and the truth is I did not say one thing that night in York that I don't believe to be true and I really don't regret standing up for the truth there.


I probably have a dozen stories that are similar and equally disturbing. I could probably go on and on for pages and pages. I'm also still not convinced the worst day for Penn State is over, but that's another story all together.

So far as the fan base, their whitewashing and constant attacks serve their purpose. They were always "better" than the rest of us. Joe, success with honor, for the glory, and so on. They always knew that, so when the story broke, it couldn't be true. Didn't make sense at all based on everything they knew. Their faith was only being tested.

I personally never hung my hat on any sports team I wasn't playing for to that extent. I'll give old players a pass for that reason alone. But fans......it's just weird.
 
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The cult mentality to this day still amazes me. You would expect some low IQ thumps from rural PA to maintain the Joepa is God party line but when you see highly educated people, ( doctors, lawyers, judges, and even clergy) spout the cult mantra it is just unbelievable. The parallels to a religious cult just jump at you.
 
People outside of central PA have no idea what it is like. They don't believe it until you show them actual articles.

These people, checking their intelligence, morality, critical thinking, and common sense at the door of a cult of sport and personality, are exactly why such things were able to happen. And their collective reactions to the disclosure of the heinous activities at that "institution" fully indict them as facilitators of whatever similarly horrifying thing will almost certainly happen there again.
 
Oh, that's absolutely true.

I have told this story before. I was at a wedding a few years ago in York, PA. It was my wife's college roommate's wedding. They met at Penn State.

The bride's father spent the entire father of the bride speech going on and on about how incredibly proud he was that his daughter graduated from Penn State and how she was marrying another Penn Stater, so he knew the young man was of high moral fiber.

That's not a joke, that is honestly what he said and he CLEARLY was not kidding. Also, he talked about Penn State like his daughter had graduated from Harvard. Jokingly, I turned to my wife at one point and said, "He realizes she went to Penn State, not Penn, right." My wife smiled and I thought some of the others would laugh but they did not.

He then proceeded to rant about the NCAA's sanctions and what "they did to Joe." This was literally during the father of the bride speech. Also, he was getting cheers. It was completely bizarre on every level.

I am not kidding when I say that it was basically a razor's edge whether or not he was going to break down crying. Ultimately, he kept it together but it was close.... and it was so, so weird… and also so, so hilarious.

As the wedding wound down, we ended up in a smaller group of mostly her college friends and their husbands/boyfriends.

I have known most of those people for a long time and have always gotten along with them. In a few instances I would even go so far as to call them friends, rather than my wife's friend's husband. I was in fantasy football leagues and NCAA tournament brackets with some of those guys. We all even went to the beach the year before and had a good time.

Anyway, we are all sitting around the table at the end of the night and again the topic of sanctions comes up.

You have to understand that everyone, myself included, had had a lot of drinks at that point and was tired.

However, the conversation kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was paranoid, it was conspiratorial, and it was incredibly arrogant.

My wife, knowing that her husband has strong opinions on this issue, is literally grabbing my leg underneath the table as if to say, "I know, I know. But not here and not now."

She does that a lot with me and she's almost always right. I fully intended to hold my water there.

In deference to her, I kept my mouth shut through most of it and I was even trying to make light of it. However, they wanted to talk about it and they were not in a joking mood. Basically, they wanted to commiserate and I just didn't want to hear it because I think that's a ludicrously narrow perspective on that situation.

Then it turned to whether or not the "victims" - and TWO of them used air quotes to describe the victims - were really victims at all, opining that they were likely doing all of this for the money.

At that point, the dog broke free from his chain and bit the living shitt out of everyone. It was ugly - definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I didn't yell or anything like that – at least not by my standard – but I was very stern with them and I made it perfectly clear to everyone that had spoken that I thought they were all way off base.

I also opined that the mentality they were showing is exactly why something like that could happen at Penn State.

I was right. I knew I was right and more importantly so too did they. A few of them tried to object but I know that entire situation backwards and forwards and I just crush them with common sense reactions.

I would ask them things like, "Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the 1998 investigation? He's the biggest cheese in that town but he doesn't know that his defensive coordinator is under investigation for child molestation?"

I then followed up with, "Do you know when Sandusky retired? Following the 1998 football season, that's when. In retrospect, doesn't that seem curious to you?

"So, assuming that Paterno knew about 1998, because he very clearly did, how could he possibly react to McQueary's allegations the way he did and still be considered a victim in this in any way? You could use a lot of words to describe Paterno but 'victim' (and you had better believe that I used air quotes) would be near the bottom of my list.

"Further, why would he wait several days to mention it to anyone so as not to 'ruin anybody's weekend?'

"I mean, if this was not a credible accusation or there was no prior suspicion, that's one thing. However, this would've been at least the second time he had heard this allegation.

"Any normal human being would've been on the phone with the chief of police in that moment. Instead, who did he call? Who did he spend the rest of the weekend with? He spent it with his attorney son and his personal attorney trying to figure out what the hell they could do to cover their asses but not blow the lid off this thing.

There are no legitimate answers to those questions because anyone with a brain understands that when put in that context, which is the only honest way to approach the entire situation, it is extremely clear exactly what happened there. Now, not everyone has the character to admit it, but everyone knows the truth - even those pretending otherwise.

After a few minutes of just scoffing at their weak responses, everyone just shut down. A bunch of them got up from the table and walked away all pissed off and others just refused to even look at me. In other words, they were every bit as disgusted with me as I was with them.

What was there really to say?

After a few more minutes of awkward silence, my wife excused us and we headed back to our room.

Somewhat surprisingly, once we got to our room, my wife told me I was absolutely right and that she was not at all upset with me for voicing my opinion. She said they were all acting like monsters and they needed to be hammered there. I agreed with her but I was very surprised that was her position.

The next morning, we all went down to breakfast before hitting the road and it was so awkward.

People wouldn't even look at me. Literally, my wife and I sat all by ourselves. The bride and her husband came over briefly but that was it.

The next year everyone went on another beach vacation and they never called us. A few of them have visited Pittsburgh and have opted to stay in hotels rather than with us – as had always happened previously.

I'm sure that the consensus among that group is that I am a maniac because I had the temerity to tell the truth.

Honestly, it doesn't really bother me. However, I do feel badly for how it has impacted my wife. Those are long time friends of hers and she values those relationships.

Still, we have two little ones so we are pretty busy anyway. Also, only one of them lives close to Pittsburgh so it's not like we were going to see them often anyway. Maybe in time she will patch things up with her friends? Truthfully, she should go hang out with them by herself – I don't care. That's probably best for everyone.

However, I've thought about it many times and the truth is I did not say one thing that night in York that I don't believe to be true and I really don't regret standing up for the truth there.
You know how the old saying goes DVY, "n the land of the blind the one
eyed man is king". That night my friend, you were surely the king.

By the way, don't feel bad that these people don't talk to your wife anymore. It that is their reaction to the truth they are not really her friends anyway.
 
The cult mentality to this day still amazes me. You would expect some low IQ thumps from rural PA to maintain the Joepa is God party line but when you see highly educated people, ( doctors, lawyers, judges, and even clergy) spout the cult mantra it is just unbelievable. The parallels to a religious cult just jump at you.
Then again you have to look where these highly educated people got their education. Indoctrination is more like it.
 
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