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OT: Times World University Rankings

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UK's Times annually conducts its "beauty contest" of the globe's top universities. Pitt ranked #80 out of 980 in the most recent survey. Placed ahead of Dartmouth, Emory, Rice, UVA, Notre Dame and Georgetown, among others.

Guidance counselors take note.
 
UK's Times annually conducts its "beauty contest" of the globe's top universities. Pitt ranked #80 out of 980 in the most recent survey. Placed ahead of Dartmouth, Emory, Rice, UVA, Notre Dame and Georgetown, among others.

Guidance counselors take note.
Unfortunately, the only thing guidance counselors will notice is that Penn State is rated higher in the US News US rankings and the UK times world rankings.
 
You have to be kidding right? One thing this values is size of school. Pitt is harder to get into, has a higher GPA, and a larger endowment. Despite them having 3 times more students than Pitt, Pitt has OVER 3 times more Rhodes scholars Rankings like this are just generalities. We were ranked ahead of them in years past as well. Means nothing, next year we will be ranked ahead. It only shows we have a good school. If you really think number 65 is better than 66... then.... Okiedookie for you
 
Honestly, who cares? I don't watch biology class on ESPN.

I also have argued over the years with PSU fans about this. Well, I have spoken with them, they argued. But then I quickly realized that they weren't even PSU grads. One dude saying they were a better school actually went to freaking Lock Haven.
 
Unfortunately, the only thing guidance counselors will notice is that Penn State is rated higher in the US News US rankings and the UK times world rankings.
think you guys overestimate the influence of guidance counselors on kids that have the grades to select the types of school Pitt and Penn State line up with. My son, for instance, chose Pitt because Penn State sucks. No counseling needed.
 
UK's Times annually conducts its "beauty contest" of the globe's top universities. Pitt ranked #80 out of 980 in the most recent survey. Placed ahead of Dartmouth, Emory, Rice, UVA, Notre Dame and Georgetown, among others.

Guidance counselors take note.

If your kid was accepted at Pitt, Dartmouth, UVA and ND, where would you advise him or her to go?
 
If your kid was accepted at Pitt, Dartmouth, UVA and ND, where would you advise him or her to go?

Honestly, all things being equal like cost, if they knew what they wanted to do, it would depend what they were interested in. Pitt is absolutely better than those other three for certain fields, like Neuroscience or Philosophy.

BTW, Pitt also fell slightly in these rankings, but these rankings also fluctuate pretty wildly from year to year.
 
No excuses, Up to Pitt to take these rankings seriously and improve in areas that will make them rise, just like Penn State did way back in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. I credit Penn State building itself into a University in 1954 and then going after excellence in developing Nuclear Energy Engineers, Transportation Expertise in Building National Highways, Hotel Management that supported Tourism from those Highways, Food Service, Water Quality & Sewer Management, Agricultural Excellence in grass Seed Development, Farming, Crop Testing, and National Defense Contracting in Ceramics and Composites Engineering, as well as Weather Forecasting. Nothing wrong in Saluting and Respecting PSU too?

I was just at a Seminar at Rocky Mountain Gap Casino Report all day yesterday. Sat in Wells Fargo Advisers Crisis Management meeting response to their Scandal and conducted and service by PSU Alumni running it. They did a superb job and was told about some National Security work that PSU handles as a contractor too! Quite interesting to say the least?

PITT and CMU are also on the verge of many Innovations in the coming Robotic, Date, Cyber Security Age. As well as, a Monumental Change in Health Care that will change the world again like Polio did, but this time PITT-CMU will make sure Royalties and investment returns come from it?

I was told by some very learned men and women that UPMC will become bigger than US Steel, Gulf Oil, and Alcoa combined in a $2.9 TRILLION Health care Industry and Worldwide? Being led by a Former USC Innovator with many Silicon Valley Investors Opening Office here to support it. I asked him, how can you leave USC to come to Pittsburgh, and his response was quite unique and life learning event for me, he said, "Nobody Is Doing What Is Happening At Pitt & CMU And I Wanted To Be A Big Part Of It!" One reason why President Obama cited Pittsburgh becoming a giant in MEDS & EDS, over Older Industries!

Just Wait and see.......Pitt Has Innovators and CMU has the foundation that will turn Pittsburgh in a leader in the coming future like Penn State did in the older engineering of the past!

i was told that CMU broke the Secret Dark World of the "TOR BROWSER" and only 20% of the Internet is being used by the known World, all the rest has been used like it was used when founded with Defense Dollars by the Pentagon, and that by the Scientists, Spokes of Private Defense Contractors, and brought together by what is happening in only 4 Centers in America and Pittsburgh is one of them?

Pittsburgh and Pitt and CMU have the right people in the right places and bringing more in too from West Coast and many places producing them and they are coming here!


 
Honestly, all things being equal like cost, if they knew what they wanted to do, it would depend what they were interested in. Pitt is absolutely better than those other three for certain fields, like Neuroscience or Philosophy.

BTW, Pitt also fell slightly in these rankings, but these rankings also fluctuate pretty wildly from year to year.

Pretty much. Pitt's neuroscience department is really outstanding. My significant other is from Texas and ultimately wound up choosing Pitt over schools like UT, Rice, Emory, Penn, etc. specifically because of how well regarded Pitt's neuroscience program is in the science community.

If you're a kid who knows exactly what you want to do, then departmental rankings are far more significant than overall University rankings, IMO. It's definitely not shilling for Pitt to say you'd pick them over almost any school in the country if you're dead set on neuroscience or philosophy.
 
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Pretty much. Pitt's neuroscience department is really outstanding. My significant other is from Texas and ultimately wound up choosing Pitt over schools like UT, Rice, Emory, Penn, etc. specifically because of how well regarded Pitt's neuroscience program is in the science community.

If you're a kid who knows exactly what you want to do, then departmental rankings are far more significant than overall University rankings, IMO. It's definitely not shilling for Pitt to say you'd pick them over almost any school in the country if you're dead set on neuroscience or philosophy.

At the risk of becoming public enemy number one on here, which rankings have Pitt so high for neuroscience? The ones I have seen don't have Pitt anywhere near the top.
 
At the risk of becoming public enemy number one on here, which rankings have Pitt so high for neuroscience? The ones I have seen don't have Pitt anywhere near the top.

I'll have to ask her how she found out about Pitt's program. I just know Dr. Stricker (now the dean of the Honors College, last I heard) is extremely well regarded in the neuroscience ranks. He apparently completely rebuilt the program from the ground up, so perhaps the rankings haven't caught up to the community's opinions.

She's been big on neuroscience since she was a little kid, so my guess is she was more dialed into it than most high schoolers who might just look at rankings.
 
At the risk of becoming public enemy number one on here, which rankings have Pitt so high for neuroscience? The ones I have seen don't have Pitt anywhere near the top.

There is no such thing as an undergrad neuroscience ranking. Pitt's undergrad program in neuroscience was one of the first, if not the first, in the nation. It is one of the largest...perhaps the largest. It is also one of the few that are actually departments unto itself, and it has over 20 years (at least) of experience getting undergrads significant research experience, which may be the most important thing one can look for in a program...because neuroscience is a research discipline.

Here's the other thing, Pitt's neuroscience community is also split up. There's the Department of Neuroscience in the College of Arts & Sciences, Department of Neurobiology in the Med School, the joint Center for the Neuro Basis of Cognition with Carnegie-Mellon, people in the department of biology, people in psychiatry, people in psychology, people in bioengineering, and several other related Centers and Departments.

At Pitt, the CNUP tries to umbrella over faculty doing neuroscience-related work in about 16 different departments. Even if you wanted to, you can't rank that...it isn't how rankings work.
 
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Pretty much. Pitt's neuroscience department is really outstanding. My significant other is from Texas and ultimately wound up choosing Pitt over schools like UT, Rice, Emory, Penn, etc. specifically because of how well regarded Pitt's neuroscience program is in the science community.

If you're a kid who knows exactly what you want to do, then departmental rankings are far more significant than overall University rankings, IMO. It's definitely not shilling for Pitt to say you'd pick them over almost any school in the country if you're dead set on neuroscience or philosophy.
Yep, talked to a MIT Head and he told me New Buildings being built just for that and was asked if interested?

CMU is doing the same for Start Up Investment Innovations in 2017.
 
Pretty much. Pitt's neuroscience department is really outstanding. My significant other is from Texas and ultimately wound up choosing Pitt over schools like UT, Rice, Emory, Penn, etc. specifically because of how well regarded Pitt's neuroscience program is in the science community.

If you're a kid who knows exactly what you want to do, then departmental rankings are far more significant than overall University rankings, IMO. It's definitely not shilling for Pitt to say you'd pick them over almost any school in the country if you're dead set on neuroscience or philosophy.

I taught in Penn's undergrad neuroscience program. Pitt's blows it away. In fact, at the time I was there I knew a kid of a Penn professor that chose Pitt over Penn for ...well actually it was for bioengineering, but the point is similar.

Pitt's undergrad neuroscience offering is much more mature than Penn's and most others because it has better, dedicated undergraduate faculty and course offerings because it is actual department, not just a program. The difference between having a dedicated department with its own budget, faculty, staff, and course offerings compared a "program" made out of cobbled together pieces and classes on loan from other departments is huge.

That's the thing...neuroscience is such a trendy, hot major for kids these days, every two-bit school has started a neuroscience program. A lot of them are just psych departments with some extra biology classes and a couple neuropsych (not really neuroscience) classes thrown in. Real, meaningful research opportunities (i.e. possibilities to get authorships) at these types of schools (non-research schools) are rare or you have to do summer internships at schools like...well like Pitt. But you can't get any real research work done if you are just visiting a lab for a month or two...you need to get ingrained into a well-funded lab for a year or more to really get to the point where you are presenting or publishing something significant, even as a secondary author. And having publications coming out of your undergrad school is what will set you apart from a crowd to grad school admissions committees...because frankly, everyone is going to have good grades and GREs.

You can do all sorts of cutting-edge research at Pitt very easily, which is why Pitt is a phenomenal place for anything undergraduate in the biosciences...because Pitt is #5 in total NIH research funding...which essentially mean it has the 5th biggest biomedica/health science research center in the country (nearly the world) and almost all of that is within a short walking distance of every dorm on campus.

I will say this: with over a couple decades in neuroscience, including having my PhD in neuroscience and research and teaching experience on both coasts, there is no single better place to obtain an undergrad neuroscience degree than Pitt. There are others that are as good, but they are none better. I mean that absolutely sincerely. The combination of having a dedicated, full-fledged department and the massive quality, size, and scope of the neuroscience research community on campus is outstanding and absolutely unsurpassed.
 
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