OT: Todd Graham's act getting old in Tempe...
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I have to admit the first time I heard "left lane , hammer down" it sounded cool. After the Rutgers game post game interview I wanted him gone.
He's going into his fifth season there! That's a lifetime for those two.
I wonder if a PnnyLiar for his Farts will apply to a Penny for her Thoughts now?
How Toad abandon his Recruits and Players at Tulsa and Pitt and no longer a darling as a Sun Devil is getting Hot in Tempe?
Yet, it turned out OK for Pitt, after going through Haywood and Chryst, Pitt finally let go Pederson and in two weeks attracted Pat Narduzzi!
Dennis Erickson left a lot of talent there when he got there. Every year since we've started to see the real job he is doing out there with his players
Hate that guy. I think the timing is going to work out perfectly with Muschamp getting fired and this chump being the next SC coach in a few years. Please.
I don't know much about Penny except what I've read on here, but she "ain't gonna' like Columbia".
Carry on with the PSU bashing. Also immensely entertaining.
"One of the things, very frankly, that we're trying to do better around here is to talk less and deliver more," Anderson said. "We'll be minimum on the bravado and all the predictions about greatness and just let our play speak for us."
It's like as if he doesn't know who his coach is.
It's like as if he doesn't know who his coach is.
I had a similar thought. I read that article before it was posted here and when I read that line I almost swallowed my tongue.
Heaven help me if this sounds like a defense of Todd Graham because that is definitely not my intent. I think he's EASILY the most overrated coach in recent memory.
I also think he was very easy to spot as a fraud very early on and it was mystifying that so many people couldn't seem to identify something so strikingly obvious. It was also bizarre that people couldn't see right away that he was going to be a heinous fit here. It would be a bit like USC hiring Paul Chryst - just a ridiculously bad fit on every level.
That said, it is not his athletic director's place to be talking to him about the sideline comportment. That's the type of micromanaging that leads programs straight into the gutter. We had that type of idiotic manager and it does not work.
With Graham, as with every coach, you take the good with the bad. If he performs you retain him. If he doesn't perform, you replace him with someone who will coach in a way that you find more in keeping with your institution's values.
As tempting as it might be, the athletic director's job is not to coach the coaches. He is NOT a general manager and in most instances he/she does not have the expertise to pull that off.
The athletic director's job is, above all, to raise money and secondarily to schedule games. Now, if a coach does something absurd, like Bobby Petrino for example, that's a different deal. He has no choice but to intervene. However, as a general rule, the AD needs to get the hell out of the way and let the coach do his job.
I also think he was very easy to spot as a fraud very early on and it was mystifying that so many people couldn't seem to identify something so strikingly obvious. It was also bizarre that people couldn't see right away that he was going to be a heinous fit here. It would be a bit like USC hiring Paul Chryst - just a ridiculously bad fit on every level.
That said, it is not his athletic director's place to be talking to him about the sideline comportment. That's the type of micromanaging that leads programs straight into the gutter. We had that type of idiotic manager and it does not work.
With Graham, as with every coach, you take the good with the bad. If he performs you retain him. If he doesn't perform, you replace him with someone who will coach in a way that you find more in keeping with your institution's values.
As tempting as it might be, the athletic director's job is not to coach the coaches. He is NOT a general manager and in most instances he/she does not have the expertise to pull that off.
The athletic director's job is, above all, to raise money and secondarily to schedule games. Now, if a coach does something absurd, like Bobby Petrino for example, that's a different deal. He has no choice but to intervene. However, as a general rule, the AD needs to get the hell out of the way and let the coach do his job.
The athletic director is simply putting graham on notice....
People accept all kinds of shit when you're winning. Not so much when you're losing
Exactly. Todd Graham could act like a horse's arse on the sideline if Arizona State were winning the way that he said they were going to. But if you are going to act that way you can't end up with a losing record. When you lose the act gets old real quick.
Kelly at ND is a prime example. That guy acts like a nut job but nobody cares because things are pretty good in South Bend.
It looks like his son Bo's Sun Devil costume will be in mothballs with his Panther costume soon,....
I think it was the youngest one Michael that was in the "Little Roc" costume, not Bo.
Oh that's right, Bo was the one on here taunting us about his dad moving to ASU before it was officailly announced
As will as a certain Bunny Suit being Burned in Unhappy Valley!
Real Great Coaches Don't Need Costumes!
They just be themselves and focus on Coaching and Lead by not Pandering!!!
The AD notwithstanding, Graham has yet to deliver on his promises. He'll probably get
This. Graham has a contract through 2019 right now. So he's not there yet, but headed towards that window where the AD has some long-term decisions to make.
It's that amazing see-saw of power that coaches and A.D.'s find themselves on. And it can shift very quickly with one good season.
This. Graham has a contract through 2019 right now. So he's not there yet, but headed towards that window where the AD has some long-term decisions to make.
It's that amazing see-saw of power that coaches and A.D.'s find themselves on. And it can shift very quickly with one good season.
When you get a president and AD that hold people accountable, things get better or they get changed. Glad Pitt decided to finally go this route and hold people accountable.
I wanted him gone immediately. Any time a coach prefers his system to actually coaching players, thats bad. He was never going to win here. It was readily apparent. I am glad he figured that out quickly.
You think SC would actually hire this clown?Hate that guy. I think the timing is going to work out perfectly with Muschamp getting fired and this chump being the next SC coach in a few years. Please.
I don't know much about Penny except what I've read on here, but she "ain't gonna' like Columbia".
Carry on with the PSU bashing. Also immensely entertaining.
The sideline behavior of a coach is absolutely the business of the AD.
Meddling is telling them what kind of defense to run or who to hire. Telling them to behave more professionally on a field isn't meddling.
(Not saying I agree that the AD should tell guys to turn it down. I don't really care if a coach runs around like a jackoff on the sideline, but some do.)
He won six games without any kind of offense. I was always curious what Graham would have done in 2012 with that JuCo QB he was recruiting coupled with that schedule that wasn't exactly Murderers' Row due to WVU and TCU being dropped.
It's all a matter of degrees.
If the coach is doing something that is extremely unprofessional and/or embarrassing, then yes, I agree the A.D. probably has no choice but to intervene.
However, that should be the very last resort and it should be done in private...unless the goal is not in fact to correct problematic coaching behavior but rather to publicly demonstrate who is calling the shots.
I suspect that is really what is happening in Tempe.
I think I have made it pretty clear that Todd Graham is not my kind of guy. That was my position literally from his first press conference here and my opinion of that dude has not changed one iota. I'm definitely not defending him on any level.
However, there are so many coaches who are so much worse than him on the sideline comportment front. I've seen coaches grab players by the facemask and literally scream in their assistant coaches' faces (here) during games. That is worse than anything I've ever seen from Graham.
Also, the fact that the A.D. is even talking to the local newspaper about his meddling is very troubling to me and a likely harbinger of some very troubled times ahead in the desert.
Athletic Directors need to raise money. If they are not raising money for their programs, they are not doing their jobs. The A.D.'s job is NOT to coach the coaches. Any A.D. who thinks that is his job is either a straight up buffoon (Pederson) or has been poorly prepared for it.
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