I am still trying to find the sexism in all of this..The umpire acted within the rules and by his legal judgement here.
OT: What the hell, Serena
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Acted like a spoiled brat .....John Mac like and worse
Felt bad for her young opponent who couldn’t enjoy a moment of lifetime, because of Serena’s whiny ass tantrum.
Felt bad for her young opponent who couldn’t enjoy a moment of lifetime, because of Serena’s whiny ass tantrum.
I have played and watched tennis for 40 years. I have seen no umpire ever act like this umpire. I have never seen a game penalty called in any major tournament like that. Many men( McEnroe included). Have said and done much worse and never had a game penalty called. An umpire’s job is to not be involved in deciding the results of a match especially the finals of the US Open. Tennis players yell and scream at umpires all the time with no more than a warning.
maybe so, but that does not go to the claim of sexism...
Many men( McEnroe included). Have said and done much worse and never had a game penalty . I am guessing many women too..
Apparently this guy is biased against women (sexism) such that he chose to penalize a woman more than a man based on her gender...Funny thing about it is that his actions benefited another woman of the other side of the net. What the hell kind of sexist is this guy anyways?
btw...Tennis players yell and scream at umpires all the time with no more than a warning. Glad you used the term players. However, very few instances of this occurring after two warnings from the chair. The second being the post racket break. Correct me if I am wrong on that. For some reason in the history of tennis it appears only men (according to the sexism crowd) have been cads and got away with screaming and acting childish...
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Interesting that you say McEnroe included when the guy was literally DQ'd from a major during a match he was winning 2 sets to 1. It's OK I forgive you, I pop off without facts all the time too. Pretty sickening to see the media run with this fake divisive nonsense though.
(No I'm not defending the ref he does seem like a dick with an axe to grind.)
The facts.
Back in the day I watched McEnroe ( my favorite) at Forest Hills NY not Flushing Meadows so I go back a while.
Mrs Buffett and I met playing tennis, Over the course of time we won many B level club Mixed Doubles championships, we played in NELTA ( New England Lawn Tennis Assoc.) and Middle States ( which includes PA) and did well in singles and mixed doubles so we know tennis.
Back to the facts.
Serena was losing!
Oh yea back a number of years she threatened to stuff a ball down a linepersons throat. She's had other issues over the years!
Serena's coach admitted to coaching which is a penalty.
It's not called often unless it's balant which this was.
Breaking your racket is a 99.9% sure penalty.
Serena's mistake was she badgered the chair umpire, she didn't just make statements like McEnroe and co did in the old days, she went after him over and over again, accused him of being a theif and demanded an on court on the spot apology??
Bad idea Serena.
Yes the guys say stuff to the chair umpire but it's stuff like - can't you see, that was in, do you need glasses, etc.
They make statements and go away.
Serena badgered the guy, accused him of being a theif and demanded an apology. You can't do that!
She deserved what she got!
Back in the day I watched McEnroe ( my favorite) at Forest Hills NY not Flushing Meadows so I go back a while.
Mrs Buffett and I met playing tennis, Over the course of time we won many B level club Mixed Doubles championships, we played in NELTA ( New England Lawn Tennis Assoc.) and Middle States ( which includes PA) and did well in singles and mixed doubles so we know tennis.
Back to the facts.
Serena was losing!
Oh yea back a number of years she threatened to stuff a ball down a linepersons throat. She's had other issues over the years!
Serena's coach admitted to coaching which is a penalty.
It's not called often unless it's balant which this was.
Breaking your racket is a 99.9% sure penalty.
Serena's mistake was she badgered the chair umpire, she didn't just make statements like McEnroe and co did in the old days, she went after him over and over again, accused him of being a theif and demanded an on court on the spot apology??
Bad idea Serena.
Yes the guys say stuff to the chair umpire but it's stuff like - can't you see, that was in, do you need glasses, etc.
They make statements and go away.
Serena badgered the guy, accused him of being a theif and demanded an apology. You can't do that!
She deserved what she got!
The sexism part of it is that many men have done worse and not been penalized at all. You get that different standards for men and women is kind of the definition of sexism, right?
Way too late, but if officials would only have done this to the original d-bags like Mcenroe or Connors, just once or twice, players thereafter would have learned and this never would have needed to be done last week.
Similar to drilling not only SMU (a fringe rogue) but a real, truly deserving blueblood with the Death Penalty in the 80s, programs might still try to cheat a little but you wouldn't have the wide open farces you have now. A Paterno would feel genuine compulsion to report Sandusky, too... knowing if that gets exposed, your precious program is GONE for 5-10 years. Or UNC or pick the scandal ... gone. No silly losing 5 scholarships or you miss the Outback Bowl for a year.
And just like Williams doesn't win one stupid tournament, the sport moves on just fine ... and others will think twice about ranting like loons. College football moves on just fine without a PSU or OSU or UNC hoops for 5 years or so, and others won't risk covering up rapes or committing widespread academic fraud. It's better that thingsn like that don't happen at all rather than having to cover em up ... right?
Thus endeth my sermon for the day.
Similar to drilling not only SMU (a fringe rogue) but a real, truly deserving blueblood with the Death Penalty in the 80s, programs might still try to cheat a little but you wouldn't have the wide open farces you have now. A Paterno would feel genuine compulsion to report Sandusky, too... knowing if that gets exposed, your precious program is GONE for 5-10 years. Or UNC or pick the scandal ... gone. No silly losing 5 scholarships or you miss the Outback Bowl for a year.
And just like Williams doesn't win one stupid tournament, the sport moves on just fine ... and others will think twice about ranting like loons. College football moves on just fine without a PSU or OSU or UNC hoops for 5 years or so, and others won't risk covering up rapes or committing widespread academic fraud. It's better that thingsn like that don't happen at all rather than having to cover em up ... right?
Thus endeth my sermon for the day.
Hey, if women want to be able to act the same as men in all regards, well, damn, can I actually get one of them to buy me a dinner or pay for my drinks every once in awhile? Still waiting for that movement. #mootoo
Absolutely false.
The ITF has already issued a statement that the umpire was totally correct in his actions.
Given the magnitude of the match I’m inclined to believe that he should’ve given her a bit more leeway.
However I think there’s very little doubt that he followed the letter of the law and she deserves most of the blame for putting him in a tough position.
She’s done this before numerous times when playing poorly, she’s nowhere near as bad as Nick Kyrgios, but definitely a player that’s shown poor sportsmanship many times.
As far as Ramos not working again he’s already been assigned to the US Davis Cup matches and as I said before the ITF has come out strongly in his favor. Many umpires are concerned about his treatment by the WTA and there are rumblings of other umpires boycotting Serena’s matches.
However I think there’s very little doubt that he followed the letter of the law and she deserves most of the blame for putting him in a tough position.
She’s done this before numerous times when playing poorly, she’s nowhere near as bad as Nick Kyrgios, but definitely a player that’s shown poor sportsmanship many times.
As far as Ramos not working again he’s already been assigned to the US Davis Cup matches and as I said before the ITF has come out strongly in his favor. Many umpires are concerned about his treatment by the WTA and there are rumblings of other umpires boycotting Serena’s matches.
Are you trying to tell me that there are different expectations of males and females? Ever hear the phrase, men and children first? Me neither. Women and children are supposed to get off of a sinking ship right away, while men make sure they do. Such is life.
No, the definition of sexism would be a man playing (or working in an office or submitting a proposal) a woman, acting in the same fashion and not being penalized...
that proves nothing about sexism..maybe the guy just did not like her...maybe he had a history with her.maybe he was just in a piss poor mood. funny, he enforced one rule he thought he needed to enforce. Had he not, he would have been putting the screws to, wait for it, another woman. But, nope, gotta be sexism..It just waited for Serena to play well over 400 matches and winning 100 tournaments including 23 grand slams to rear its ugly head..that is laughable.....btw...not really that many examples of men doing worse at the point of a third offense (no matter how many McEnroe references are made.)in a match but do keep with the narrative...this labeling sans rationale or proof crap has to stop in this country...
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She was warned about coaching from the box. that is number 1. Secondly she slammed her racket and broke it. cost is a point and warning, infraction number 2. Then she starts a tirade over unfairness and yada, yada, yada. Give me a break. She knows the rules and what was at risk.
The umpire who has given warnings with various men players was absolute fair in allowing her rant and BS until she attacked him as to his integrity. In any professional sport you call a ref/umpire a liar and a cheat you are gone. The rules are simply the third infraction, you lose a game.She knew and pushed it anyway. Rules are rules.
The umpire who has given warnings with various men players was absolute fair in allowing her rant and BS until she attacked him as to his integrity. In any professional sport you call a ref/umpire a liar and a cheat you are gone. The rules are simply the third infraction, you lose a game.She knew and pushed it anyway. Rules are rules.
Since, you called me a moron one would think you can tell me where I went wrong?
Seems to me an assumption of sexism ('it never happened to a man before therefore it happening to a woman now means sexism because I say so') not in evidence as you or Serena or even one as bright as myself know not the motivation of this umpire might be a tad more on the moronic side of things...guess benefit of the doubt has no play to those looking for perpetual offense..
I need to know what man gained the advantage in this sexist scenario such that it plays out correctly .... any ideas? The only person I see to have been harmed in this was the young lady on the other side of the net who had a lot of this moment stripped away from her to some extent...Never happened to a male US Open winner so it was kind of a sexist thing to happen, eh?
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Serena ruined a great moment for a young, quality opponent......
Shameful.....
I don’t give a flying Flip about some definition or what her whiny-ass excuse was leading to that tantrum.
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You seriously do not understand what the word sexism means. Treating women differently than men is, by definition, sexist. The fact, and it is a fact even if you don't want to admit it, is that many men on the tennis tour have acted as badly or worse than Williams did and they were not punished the way that she was punished. Men gained the advantage of being able to act in a certain way without consequences that Williams was not.
And I agree that a do not know the motivation of the umpire. I simply know the actions that he took. If you want to argue that his sexism was unintentional or thoughtless you may very well have an argument (because none of us have any idea of his motivation), but that still doesn't mean that the action wasn't sexist.
There is sexism in tennis. The men have to win 3 sets to win a match, the women have to win 2 sets.
I agree that's why they gave a game penalty to the most egregious offender since 1990 so hopefully the rest of the people get the hint
Speaking of sexism in tennis, why don’t the male tennis players get as much coverage as the women? Serena gets WAY more publicity than all of the male tennis players combined. Also, if you are a really hot female tennis player, you don’t even have to be very good, in order to get a ton of publicity. Seems like sexism to me.
because there are no good/dominant male American tennis players. While Serena is American. Pure nationalism.
