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I understand he had more micro-surgery in October of 2015, but I wonder if the guy will be able to sustain a full season ever again. Plus if all the whispers about using HGH was correct, that ship may have sailed too. Pretty obvious the threat of breaking Nicklaus' majors win record is over. I'm not a fan so none of this bothers me, just wondering what others who love golf think.

BTW - I've been a huge Adam Scott fan since his win at the Heritage 12 years (or so) ago. I thoroughly enjoyed the last 2 weekends.

(Edit: Has anyone attended the Ryder Cup before? We have a local connection and are thinking of making the trip to Hazeltine.)
 
I saw Tigers interview on the golf channel. Playing is one thing, but playing to championship level is different.
THAT he will never do again on the PGA tour.
But I think he will revive his career on the Champions Tour.
 
Yeah, I think he may be done too, which is awesome!

I don't care too much about the PGA but I must admit that I certainly don't miss Tiger being rammed down my throat every five minutes. That got VERY old!
 
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Hopefully he makes it back for the Masters, as I have tickets to the Tuesday practice round and hope to see him there.

Agree and have for a couple years that he will never return to anything approaching elite status. A couple years ago I placed the over/under for his total majors wins moving forward at 1 with the over at +200 and the under at -250. At this point it will take the perfect storm for him to win another major.
 
BFo8 said:
Hopefully he makes it back for the Masters, as I have tickets to the Tuesday practice round and hope to see him there.

Agree and have for a couple years that he will never return to anything approaching elite status. A couple years ago I placed the over/under for his total majors wins moving forward at 1 with the over at +200 and the under at -250. At this point it will take the perfect storm for him to win another major.
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Not sure what to make of Tiger. Obviously a ton of personal/mental issues, but there are golfers on the Tour in their late 30's and 40's who can compete annually (Ernie Els as an example). I get that Els is no comparison to Woods in their prime, but it is baffling to me why/how Tiger's body has seemingly broken down. Maybe just bad luck.
 
pitt-girl said:
Not sure what to make of Tiger. Obviously a ton of personal/mental issues, but there are golfers on the Tour in their late 30's and 40's who can compete annually (Ernie Els as an example). I get that Els is no comparison to Woods in their prime, but it is baffling to me why/how Tiger's body has seemingly broken down. Maybe just bad luck.
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Heck, Phil is 45 and is still a legitimate contender at any tournament he shows up at. Ernie Els has competed at the highest level well into his 40's . Champions like Fred Couples and Tom Watson have been in the mix at advanced ages as well.

I'm one of those convinced Tiger dabbled in PED's and suffered the consequences of the nagging injuries when he quit. Call me a skeptic, but I don't see how he could've put in the hours to increase his body mass by such a significant percentage at the same time he was at the height of his womanizing and gambling binges. The ties to the Canadian steroid doctor at the time of his getting all yoked are enough for me.
 
BFo8 said:
Heck, Phil is 45 and is still a legitimate contender at any tournament he shows up at. Ernie Els has competed at the highest level well into his 40's . Champions like Fred Couples and Tom Watson have been in the mix at advanced ages as well.

I'm one of those convinced Tiger dabbled in PED's and suffered the consequences of the nagging injuries when he quit. Call me a skeptic, but I don't see how he could've put in the hours to increase his body mass by such a significant percentage at the same time he was at the height of his womanizing and gambling binges. The ties to the Canadian steroid doctor at the time of his getting all yoked are enough for me.
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I think a lot of evidence looks like PED's had a role in Tiger's dominance. But a lot of the mental dominance he had over the rest of the field also died. Competitor's used to wilt on Sunday's when he would come out in his red shirt/black pants. Game over.

It is amazing that he pretty much stopped dominating at the exact moment he and his wife had their falling out.
 
Dr. von Yinzer said:
Yeah, I think he may be done too, which is awesome!

I don't care too much about the PGA but I must admit that I certainly don't miss Tiger being rammed down my throat every five minutes. That got VERY old!
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This. I never had a problem with Tiger. He was great, the operative word being "was". But one of these years the media is going to find out that Tiger Woods hasn't been great for many years now. Their constant insistence of dwelling on all things Tiger got old years ago.

Time to give it a rest and move on to the young guns.
 
wbrpanther said:
This. I never had a problem with Tiger. He was great, the operative word being "was". But one of these years the media is going to find out that Tiger Woods hasn't been great for many years now. Their constant insistence of dwelling on all things Tiger got old years ago.

Time to give it a rest and move on to the young guns.
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Well I think they have. Speith, McIlroy, Day, Watson, Scott and Gretzky have become a really strong top group of players. A bit of Phil sprinkled in here and there.
 
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Yeah, but it's different with those young guys. You can get away from those young guys for five minutes if you don't care about the PGA - as I don't.

For a very long time with Tiger, you couldn't go to the bathroom or grab a bite to eat without Tiger being shoved in your face by some media conglomerate or corporation.

It was just way, way over-the-top for a number of years and it made me resent that guy.

Also, the super Tiger fans were the most obnoxious people in the world. They were even more obnoxious than Notre Dame fans. They were a little bit like the Lance Armstrong bicycling fans before he was exposed as a cheater. Just way over-the-top all the time.

He was a great, great golfer – the best, most dominant golfer I have ever seen. However, it was that need that some corporations and a few people had to make him more than that just got over the top.

You'd be talking to someone who is normally not an imbecile and they would be arguing with you that he is the best athlete in the world. Does that make any sense to anyone? The golfer is the best ATHLETE in the world? I mean why don't we pick out the best PBA tour bowler and make him the best athlete in the world to while we're at it.

It was crazy bullshit like that - and which went on for years and years and years - that made me start to hate that dude.
 
Here's a funny story:

A few years back, just before the initial Tiger scandal broke, I went out with some friends to celebrate my birthday. One friend asked me what I wanted for my birthday and I joked that I wanted Tiger Woods and Joe Paterno to be caught in some sort of kiddie porn ring - just so I could get some peace without either one of them being shoved down my throat every 10 seconds.

If only I could've known then what I know now.

What's really funny is that everyone who was at that table was taken aback by that comment. They all laughed at the time but I'm sure they were also surprised by my vitriol.

Every now and again I still get texts from people who were there that night. They always laugh at how things worked out given my odd birthday wish.

Obviously, each guy's fall from grace was purely coincidental but it certainly was a nice coincidence.
 
Dr. von Yinzer said:
Yeah, but it's different with those young guys. You can get away from those young guys for five minutes if you don't care about the PGA - as I don't.

For a very long time with Tiger, you couldn't go to the bathroom or grab a bite to eat without Tiger being shoved in your face by some media conglomerate or corporation.

It was just way, way over-the-top for a number of years and it made me resent that guy.

Also, the super Tiger fans were the most obnoxious people in the world. They were even more obnoxious than Notre Dame fans. They were a little bit like the Lance Armstrong bicycling fans before he was exposed as a cheater. Just way over-the-top all the time.

He was a great, great golfer – the best, most dominant golfer I have ever seen. However, it was that need that some corporations and a few people had to make him more than that just got over the top.

You'd be talking to someone who is normally not an imbecile and they would be arguing with you that he is the best athlete in the world. Does that make any sense to anyone? The golfer is the best ATHLETE in the world? I mean why don't we pick out the best PBA tour bowler and make him the best athlete in the world to while we're at it.

It was crazy bullshit like that - and which went on for years and years and years - that made me start to hate that dude.
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I think the talent now in the PGA is the best it's ever been.. But I get your point, none of these younger guys have all that much appeal to the casual fan.. The "characters" of the game we've seen in past generations just isn't there.. Guys like Adam Scott, Jordan Spieth are just dry.. McIllroy is pretty vanilla, I don't think Justin Watson actually talks, Barnes wears a painter's cap so you have to root against him.. these guys are very good on the course but just lack any kind of personality that we've seen in the past.. This takes away any sort of rivalry that was great in past days..
 
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I think a lot of evidence looks like PED's had a role in Tiger's dominance. But a lot of the mental dominance he had over the rest of the field also died. Competitor's used to wilt on Sunday's when he would come out in his red shirt/black pants. Game over.

It is amazing that he pretty much stopped dominating at the exact moment he and his wife had their falling out.
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His distance off the tee dropped pretty badly, in a relative sense. Smaller guys like Rory blast it past him, now. And obviously, his ego has been shattered. He's done.
 
When he's done with all the golfers wives in Jupiter Fl whose husbands are busy on the tour.
His second wife beat with a 5 or 6 iron ( I would have gone with the 5) for similar stuff and Lindey Vonn knocked out his tooth with probably a ski pole for similar antics. I believe he needs a tennis girlfriend so he can get pounded with a tennis racket next.
He's good for the press whether he's in or out of the game!
 
Swervin27 said:
I think the talent now in the PGA is the best it's ever been.. But I get your point, none of these younger guys have all that much appeal to the casual fan.. The "characters" of the game we've seen in past generations just isn't there.. Guys like Adam Scott, Jordan Spieth are just dry.. McIllroy is pretty vanilla, I don't think Justin Watson actually talks, Barnes wears a painter's cap so you have to root against him.. these guys are very good on the course but just lack any kind of personality that we've seen in the past.. This takes away any sort of rivalry that was great in past days..
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Yeah, when I do watch a PGA event, I root against Ricky Fowler for that same reason. I just have low douche tolerance and that's guy's whole deal just seems super douchey.
 
Dr. von Yinzer said:
Yeah, when I do watch a PGA event, I root against Ricky Fowler. I just have low douche tolerance and that's guy's whole deal just seems super douchey.
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LOL, you know what, I was the same way but I think Fowler actually has some personality to him.. Google/youtube him and Bubba Watson, they have these music video parodies, actually kind of funny..
 
Dr. von Yinzer said:
Yeah, when I do watch a PGA event, I root against Ricky Fowler. I just have low douche tolerance and that's guy's whole deal just seems super douchey.
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Fowler is one the most popular golfers on the tour. Definitely applying to the younger crowd which is good for the game.
Lots of kids in the galleries wearing his hats and stuff.
Spieth
Dustin Johnson
Fowler
Bubba
Making US golf interesting again!

Tiger is yesterdays news!
PittGirl wondered why his body broke down. Its due to the massive amount of torque he built into his swing.
That how he got his distance.

All golfers have that individual "move" that gives them something they want!
 
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No, that's cool. If people like Ricky Fowler and his monochromatic and alarmingly well coordinated wardrobe, I say good for them. Different strokes for different folks.

I well remember in the 90s people loved Andre Aggasi and the style and panache he was bringing to men's tennis because he wore similarly garish clothing and wasn't afraid to "rebel" – whatever the hell that means? No problem. It just doesn't appeal to me and it never has. It just feels like an over-marketed contrivance to me and that really turns me off.
 
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No, that's cool. If people like Ricky Fowler and his monochromatic and alarmingly well coordinated wardrobe, I say good for them. Different strokes for different folks.

I well remember in the 90s people loved Andre Aggasi and the style and panache he was bringing to men's tennis because he wore similarly garish clothing and wasn't afraid to "rebel" – whatever the hell that means? No problem. It just doesn't appeal to me and it never has. It just feels like an over-marketed contrivance to me and that really turns me off.
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You're correct.
Andre launched a new clothing line/style, Aggassi Head rackets, and syle of play that lasted a long time.
Like Fowler he got a lot of new young people involved in US tennis!
My wife and I watched him in his early days maybe his first Pro tourney at the Stratton Mountain clay tourney in Stratton Vermont when is was like 16. He had a like a raccoon tail Mohawk hair style at that time and real colorful clothes unlike the rest of the palyers.
He married Stefi Graff and the two of them do amazing things and raise a ton of money for charity. Not to many people know that.
 
Went to the Open at Oakmont in 2007. Physically, Tiger was cut and looked like an NFL safety, while the rest of the pros looked pretty much like the guys I play golf with - including the guy who won the tourney, Angel Cabrera. Tiger finished a shot back.

I was always amazed at Tiger's success because he swung the club so hard. Golf is such a precise game that I didn't think anyone could play consistently well swinging so hard. I thought Tiger's success would be very short-lived, but I was way wrong.

He may have enhanced his strength with substances, but I thought most of his club speed came from the high level of effort in his swing.

Go Pitt.
 
MajorMajors said:
Went to the Open at Oakmont in 2007. Physically, Tiger was cut and looked like an NFL safety, while the rest of the pros looked pretty much like the guys I play golf with - including the guy who won the tourney, Angel Cabrera. Tiger finished a shot back.

I was always amazed at Tiger's success because he swung the club so hard. Golf is such a precise game that I didn't think anyone could play consistently well swinging so hard. I thought Tiger's success would be very short-lived, but I was way wrong.

He may have enhanced his strength with substances, but I thought most of his club speed came from the high level of effort in his swing.

Go Pitt.
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I'm pretty sure Angel still smokes on the course as he plays. Juxtapose THAT with Tiger.
 
If you know a bit about golf, you'd know that brute strength has little to do with how far you hit the golf ball. Thus taking PEDs did not provide much of an advantage to Tiger in terms of his ball striking ability (length and accuracy). As others have mentioned, some of the biggest bombers in the game today are skinny little guys like Mclroy. Perhaps PEDs helped Tiger from getting hurt or from recovering but they had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of his game.

First off, theres not a great deal of difference between guys on the tour in their games off the tee. Where championships are generally won is near and on the greens. Speith for example in his run last year was unconscious on the greens. He literally didn't miss many puts from 15-20 feet on in, and made an inordinate number of long puts. SCoring is golf has more to do with play around and on the greens than it does with how long or straight you hit the ball of the tee.

Part of Tigers decline is simply the natural decline in a golfers ability as they reach their forties. The other part has been injuries and Im sure some level of off the course issues messing with his focus.

Never did like the guy as he threw a number of his "Friends" under the bus (Fuzzy ZOeler).
 
pittbb80 said:
If you know a bit about golf, you'd know that brute strength has little to do with how far you hit the golf ball. Thus taking PEDs did not provide much of an advantage to Tiger in terms of his ball striking ability (length and accuracy). As others have mentioned, some of the biggest bombers in the game today are skinny little guys like Mclroy. Perhaps PEDs helped Tiger from getting hurt or from recovering but they had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of his game.

First off, theres not a great deal of difference between guys on the tour in their games off the tee. Where championships are generally won is near and on the greens. Speith for example in his run last year was unconscious on the greens. He literally didn't miss many puts from 15-20 feet on in, and made an inordinate number of long puts. SCoring is golf has more to do with play around and on the greens than it does with how long or straight you hit the ball of the tee.

Part of Tigers decline is simply the natural decline in a golfers ability as they reach their forties. The other part has been injuries and Im sure some level of off the course issues messing with his focus.

Never did like the guy as he threw a number of his "Friends" under the bus (Fuzzy ZOeler).
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so you are saying it's not important to be long off the tee, as long as your "up and down" game is good??
 
Swervin27 said:
so you are saying it's not important to be long off the tee, as long as your "up and down" game is good??
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Speith is not a Bomber..........So yes.............Also plenty of old farts over 60 and into their 70's are low handicap golfers even though they are not long.
 
pittbb80 said:
Speith is not a Bomber..........So yes.............Also plenty of old farts over 60 and into their 70's are low handicap golfers even though they are not long.
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so you are on record as saying that you drive for show but putt for dough??
 
pittbb80 said:
If you know a bit about golf, you'd know that brute strength has little to do with how far you hit the golf ball. Thus taking PEDs did not provide much of an advantage to Tiger in terms of his ball striking ability (length and accuracy). As others have mentioned, some of the biggest bombers in the game today are skinny little guys like Mclroy. Perhaps PEDs helped Tiger from getting hurt or from recovering but they had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of his game.

First off, theres not a great deal of difference between guys on the tour in their games off the tee. Where championships are generally won is near and on the greens. Speith for example in his run last year was unconscious on the greens. He literally didn't miss many puts from 15-20 feet on in, and made an inordinate number of long puts. SCoring is golf has more to do with play around and on the greens than it does with how long or straight you hit the ball of the tee.

Part of Tigers decline is simply the natural decline in a golfers ability as they reach their forties. The other part has been injuries and Im sure some level of off the course issues messing with his focus.

Never did like the guy as he threw a number of his "Friends" under the bus (Fuzzy ZOeler).
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I disagree with a lot of this. I do agree the short game is what separates the amateurs from the pros (I am always amazed at their accuracy coming out of sand traps), but driving is equally important. Where guys like Dustin Johnson, McIroy and Scott excel are incredible length AND accuracy.

McIroy is FAR from skinny. The guy is cut. Perhaps compared to someone like John Daly he may look skinny, but what Tiger did bring to the game was a focus on fitness which is a good thing. Very rarely do you see any guys out there now overweight.

Tiger's decline was a lot more than reaching his 40's. Certainly that didn't help but his physical issues started a decade ago and we all know his very celebrated personal issues. Where I think the PED's played a big part was in his recovery and now (allegedly) that his "doctor" is no longer available, perhaps we are seeing the results of normal vs. chemically enhanced healing.
 
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McIlroy is not a skinny little guy. He's not tall. But he's far from skinny. He trains fairly hard with weights and has gotten considerably bigger.
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They showed golfers training on golf channel one afternoon.
You would have thought it was a football team given the apparatus used, and the intensity of the training. They do a lot of running too.
Take two guys who are the long drivers on tour Bubba and Dustin Johnson. Dustin is a plain out " stud" who could probably play football while Bubba is kind of a slighter built guy with a magical swing. Both work out a lot according to golf channel and are strong guys.
It all comes down to club head speed, timing, & ball striking ability. The strength training helps club head speed and timing is based on practice and your athletic ability.
fyi people confuse swinging hard and club head speed. Swinging hard without proper timing doesn't max out club head speed!
As in any sport the guys who are the best athletes, and train hard both for strength and golf skill win.
 
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Tigers biggest problem is his short game fell apart. For as long as he was he would shoot rounds with 25- 27 putts. Look at his putts per round.
 
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Tigers biggest problem is his short game fell apart. For as long as he was he would shoot rounds with 25- 27 putts. Look at his putts per round.
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Plus he changed his swing about 3 times in his last five years which is hard to do.
His early swing was a "freak" swing generating a lot of torque = club head speed= distance but torn up his body.
He had to change swings or quit.
Changing swings is hard ask Rory McElroy who's just now coming back from the swing change blues a few years ago.
 
pitt-girl said:
I disagree with a lot of this. I do agree the short game is what separates the amateurs from the pros (I am always amazed at their accuracy coming out of sand traps), but driving is equally important. Where guys like Dustin Johnson, McIroy and Scott excel are incredible length AND accuracy.

McIroy is FAR from skinny. The guy is cut. Perhaps compared to someone like John Daly he may look skinny, but what Tiger did bring to the game was a focus on fitness which is a good thing. Very rarely do you see any guys out there now overweight.

Tiger's decline was a lot more than reaching his 40's. Certainly that didn't help but his physical issues started a decade ago and we all know his very celebrated personal issues. Where I think the PED's played a big part was in his recovery and now (allegedly) that his "doctor" is no longer available, perhaps we are seeing the results of normal vs. chemically enhanced healing.
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What set Tiger apart for a long time was the combination of length off the tee and terrific putting.

When these guys are hitting 6 or 7 irons as their second shot on a par 5, then that's just about a sure bird and in his heyday, Tiger just ate up the par 5s because of his length off the tee...

Go Pitt.
 
BuffetParrothead said:
They showed golfers training on golf channel one afternoon.
You would have thought it was a football team given the apparatus used, and the intensity of the training. They do a lot of running too.
Take two guys who are the long drivers on tour Bubba and Dustin Johnson. Dustin is a plain out " stud" who could probably play football while Bubba is kind of a slighter built guy with a magical swing. Both work out a lot according to golf channel and are strong guys.
It all comes down to club head speed, timing, & ball striking ability. The strength training helps club head speed and timing is based on practice and your athletic ability.
fyi people confuse swinging hard and club head speed. Swinging hard without proper timing doesn't max out club head speed!
As in any sport the guys who are the best athletes, and train hard both for strength and golf skill win.
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Agreed but the one thing you're missing - even with the forgiveness of the modern club - is the ability to repeatedly hit the sweet spot. If you know any scratch players check out the wear pattern on the face of their clubs. It won't be much if any bigger than a quarter.
 
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Agreed but the one thing you're missing - even with the forgiveness of the modern club - is the ability to repeatedly hit the sweet spot. If you know any scratch players check out the wear pattern on the face of their clubs. It won't be much if any bigger than a quarter.
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Yes you are correct.
I used the term "ball striking ability" to mean hitting the sweet spot which as you point out is very important.
I saw a guy in the group ahead of my wife and I take a wild swing on his tee shot, hitting the top of the ball, the ball hit the ground in front of him imparting back spin leaving the ball behind the white tees. Similar shots followed. At the next tee the guys ahead of us were marking down their scores and the guy I highlighted said he scored a 5???
Thats golf!
 
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It's over. Done. Tiger won't win another major again.

If he did it would be a miracle. Bigger than Nicklaus' Masters win in 1986.

I wanted him to break the record but I'm not broken up about it that he won't.

The beginning of the end occurred on the back nine at the 2009 PGA Championship when Woods lost his invincibility when leading heading into the final round to a guy named Yang, who dethroned Woods in shocking fashion.

That, not the events that took place on November 27, 2009, was the beginning of the end. Injuries have also played a major factor.

I do want to see Woods win one more major, but the odds are stacked against him.
 
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Yes you are correct.
I used the term "ball striking ability" to mean hitting the sweet spot which as you point out is very important.
Ive saw a guy take a wild swing at a ball, hitting the top of the ball imparting back spin leaving the ball behind the white tees. Similar shots followed. At the next tee theguys ahead of us were making down their scores and the guy I highlighted said he scored a 5???
Thats golf!
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Ha - I missed the ball striking comment or I'd have never even posted what I posted.
 
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