OT: When will Tiger Woods play again?

[pittbb80]

I disagree with a lot of this. I do agree the short game is what separates the amateurs from the pros (I am always amazed at their accuracy coming out of sand traps), but driving is equally important. Where guys like Dustin Johnson, McIroy and Scott excel are incredible length AND accuracy.

McIroy is FAR from skinny. The guy is cut. Perhaps compared to someone like John Daly he may look skinny, but what Tiger did bring to the game was a focus on fitness which is a good thing. Very rarely do you see any guys out there now overweight.

Tiger's decline was a lot more than reaching his 40's. Certainly that didn't help but his physical issues started a decade ago and we all know his very celebrated personal issues. Where I think the PED's played a big part was in his recovery and now (allegedly) that his "doctor" is no longer available, perhaps we are seeing the results of normal vs. chemically enhanced healing.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Speith is not long by any means but dominated Johnson........Why...........Johnson couldn't make a put to save his soul. Distance off the tee is incredibly over rated. Yes there are some courses that tend to favor the bombers...........Take a look at the longest drivers on the tour and most of those guys are nobodies. Scoring is all about the second shot in.......and mostly around the greens.

 

[wbrpanther]

Yeah, when I do watch a PGA event, I root against Ricky Fowler for that same reason. I just have low douche tolerance and that's guy's whole deal just seems super douchey.

Rick competed in the Sunnehanna Amateur in Johnstown for 3 years as a teen. I got to follow him and watch him from 10 feet away. Absolutely amazing how a kid that small could hit a ball that far.

I've liked him ever since.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Speith is not long by any means but dominated Johnson........Why...........Johnson couldn't make a put to save his soul. Distance off the tee is incredibly over rated. Yes there are some courses that tend to favor the bombers...........Take a look at the longest drivers on the tour and most of those guys are nobodies. Scoring is all about the second shot in.......and mostly around the greens.

Yes and the bombers are hitting a 7 or 8 iron approach shot rather than a 4 or 5 iron and its also nice to be able to reach par 5's in two which Adam Scott ( last weeks winner), Rory, Bubba, and Dustin did. Scott won Bubba was second and Rory and Dustin were in the top 10.
Lets see the year end Fed x cup standing and we'll see where the bombers finish.
Some of todays courses are 7,600 yards which makes for a difficult four days for the shorter hitters.
But this is why golf is fun to play and watch. TV is better than being there in person for the newbee golf watcher.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Speith is not long by any means but dominated Johnson........Why...........Johnson couldn't make a put to save his soul. Distance off the tee is incredibly over rated. Yes there are some courses that tend to favor the bombers...........Take a look at the longest drivers on the tour and most of those guys are nobodies. Scoring is all about the second shot in.......and mostly around the greens.

Spieth is no DJ in terms of length but he's not a short hitter either. The short hitters can't compete week in and week out save for maybe Zach Johnson. Jim Furyk may fit that as well to an extent but he's not terribly short. And it takes a special kind of mental ability as well to be and stay on top. If McIlroy is on his game nobody can beat him. But if it turns into a grind nobody is better than Spieth right now. DJ's problems are 95% between his ears.

 

[pittbb80]

Yes but its nice to be hitting a 7 or 8 iron approach shot rather than a 4 or 5 iron and its also nice to be able to reach par 5's in two which Adam Scott ( last weeks winner), Rory, Bubba, and Dustin did. Scott won Bubba was second and Rory and Dustin were in the top 10.
Lets see the year end Fed x cup standing and we'll see where the bombers finish.
Some of todays courses are 7,600 yards which makes for a difficult four days for the shorter hitters.
But this is why golf is fun to play and watch. TV is better than being there in person for the newbee golf watcher.

Fun facts...................Only 5 of the top 20 driving distance leaders on the PGA last year were in the top 20 money winners..........

The gap between the 22nd longest driver, Jason Day and Dustin Johnson was only 5 yards.............which wouldn't even make a half club distance on the second shot.
The gap between Day and the 60th longest driver.......Speith.......was only another 8 yards..............again not a big difference in terms of the second shot although it would mean a club difference between Spieth and Johonson.......maybe a club and half........

Take away one.............most of the guys on the tour hit it a long freaking way......The biggest hitters generally are not big money winners. The correlation between long off the tee and winning money is weak.

Zach Johson............hits the ball 30 yards shorter than Bubba and Dustin but did pretty well.

So undoubtedly hitting further off the tee can help but is not the major factor in success on the tour. They all hit it long. There are far more important factors that lead to winning money. Adam Scott has always hit it a long way............hes not been a big winner most of his time on the tour.

Secondly, there is almost no correlation between being big and strong and hitting it a long way. Ernie Els is one of the strongest and biggest guys on the tour........not even close to being a bomber. Bottom line taking PEDS had zero to do with Tigers length and/or his success.


Money Yards
1 Jordan Spieth $12,030,465.00 295 1 Tony Finau 317.8
2 Jason Day $9,403,330.00 303.9 2 Gary Woodland 315.6
3 Bubba Watson $6,876,797.00 3 J.B. Holmes 313.2
4 Rickie Fowler $5,773,430.00 4 Ryan Palmer 312
5 Dustin Johnson $5,509,466.50 5 Bubba Watson 311.1
6 Justin Rose $5,462,677.00 6 Dustin Johnson 310.3
7 Rory McIlroy $4,863,312.00 7 Jason Kokrak 309.9
8 Zach Johnson $4,801,487.00 285 8 Rory McIlroy 309.9
9 Henrik Stenson $4,755,070.00 9 Hudson Swafford 308.5
10 Jimmy Walker $4,521,350.00 10 Jamie Lovemark 307.8
11 Charley Hoffman $4,041,089.00 11 Adam Scott 307.6
12 J.B. Holmes $4,037,430.00 12 Scott Hend 307.4
13 Danny Lee $3,965,932.50 13 Brooks Koepka 307.4
14 Robert Streb $3,947,424.30 14 Luke List 306.9
15 Hideki Matsuyama $3,758,618.50 15 Ollie Schniederjans 306.9
16 Jim Furyk $3,732,664.30 281 16 Ryo Ishikawa 306.2
17 Brandt Snedeker $3,698,056.00 17 Justin Rose 305.8
18 Patrick Reed $3,590,566.00 18 Daniel Berger 305.7
19 Brooks Koepka $3,571,900.50 19 Robert Garrigus 304.4
20 Kevin Kisner 20 Harold Varner, III 304.3

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Fun facts...................Only 5 of the top 20 driving distance leaders on the PGA last year were in the top 20 money winners..........

The gap between the 22nd longest driver, Jason Day and Dustin Johnson was only 5 yards.............which wouldn't even make a half club distance on the second shot.
The gap between Day and the 60th longest driver.......Speith.......was only another 8 yards..............again not a big difference in terms of the second shot although it would mean a club difference between Spieth and Johonson.......maybe a club and half........

Take away one.............most of the guys on the tour hit it a long freaking way......The biggest hitters generally are not big money winners. The correlation between long off the tee and winning money is weak.

Zach Johson............hits the ball 30 yards shorter than Bubba and Dustin but did pretty well.

So undoubtedly hitting further off the tee can help but is not the major factor in success on the tour. They all hit it long. There are far more important factors that lead to winning money. Adam Scott has always hit it a long way............hes not been a big winner most of his time on the tour.

Secondly, there is almost no correlation between being big and strong and hitting it a long way. Ernie Els is one of the strongest and biggest guys on the tour........not even close to being a bomber. Bottom line taking PEDS had zero to do with Tigers length and/or his success.


Money Yards
1 Jordan Spieth $12,030,465.00 295 1 Tony Finau 317.8
2 Jason Day $9,403,330.00 303.9 2 Gary Woodland 315.6
3 Bubba Watson $6,876,797.00 3 J.B. Holmes 313.2
4 Rickie Fowler $5,773,430.00 4 Ryan Palmer 312
5 Dustin Johnson $5,509,466.50 5 Bubba Watson 311.1
6 Justin Rose $5,462,677.00 6 Dustin Johnson 310.3
7 Rory McIlroy $4,863,312.00 7 Jason Kokrak 309.9
8 Zach Johnson $4,801,487.00 285 8 Rory McIlroy 309.9
9 Henrik Stenson $4,755,070.00 9 Hudson Swafford 308.5
10 Jimmy Walker $4,521,350.00 10 Jamie Lovemark 307.8
11 Charley Hoffman $4,041,089.00 11 Adam Scott 307.6
12 J.B. Holmes $4,037,430.00 12 Scott Hend 307.4
13 Danny Lee $3,965,932.50 13 Brooks Koepka 307.4
14 Robert Streb $3,947,424.30 14 Luke List 306.9
15 Hideki Matsuyama $3,758,618.50 15 Ollie Schniederjans 306.9
16 Jim Furyk $3,732,664.30 281 16 Ryo Ishikawa 306.2
17 Brandt Snedeker $3,698,056.00 17 Justin Rose 305.8
18 Patrick Reed $3,590,566.00 18 Daniel Berger 305.7
19 Brooks Koepka $3,571,900.50 19 Robert Garrigus 304.4
20 Kevin Kisner 20 Harold Varner, III 304.3

IMO there's three categories driving distance leaders, big hitters, and short hitters.
Don't look at the distance leaders look at the big hitters in the top 10 money winners.
8 of the top 10 are big hitters. Even Spieth & Fowler are considered a big hitters.
The only short hitter in the top 10 is Zack Johnson and maybe Walker.
Other short hitters are guys like Zack Johnson, Furyk, Snedeker, Kisner, Lee, etc/
Some of the distance leaders are just that good driving guys but big hitters with an all around game win a lot. Short hitters struggle on the modern long courses.

 

[paulbl99]

Hopefully he makes it back for the Masters, as I have tickets to the Tuesday practice round and hope to see him there.

Agree and have for a couple years that he will never return to anything approaching elite status. A couple years ago I placed the over/under for his total majors wins moving forward at 1 with the over at +200 and the under at -250. At this point it will take the perfect storm for him to win another major.

His pursuit of Jack is over......

But wouldn't count out the Masters .
He wins where he wins and as long as it stays at Augusta I'd give him a chance....
Maybe not a good one but still a chance

 

[pittbb80]

IMO there's three categories driving distance leaders, big hitters, and short hitters.
Don't look at the distance leaders look at the big hitters in the top 10 money winners.
8 of the top 10 are big hitters. Even Spieth & Fowler are considered a big hitters.
The only short hitter in the top 10 is Zack Johnson and maybe Walker.
Other short hitters are guys like Zack Johnson, Furyk, Snedeker, Kisner, Lee, etc/
Some of the distance leaders are just that good driving guys but big hitters with an all around game win a lot. Short hitters struggle on the modern long courses.

Sorry Speith is not considered a bomber on the tour...

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He might be long from armateur standards (and even then there are tons of amateur golfers who can drive the ball 300 yards)...


You are also ignoring the stats. Very few of the bombers are in the top 20. Hitting the ball over 300 yards is simply not a big factor in winning on the tour. Last year TIger averaged 300 yards.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I didn't mean to imply that the bombers were the best golfers/scorers. What I was saying is it's hard to be consistently in the upper echelon week after week and year after year if you're a short knocker with Furyk and Johnson being the exceptions I mentioned. Sneds is one I forgot. Sneds can really roll it which is why he's where he is and Zach is phenomenal with his wedges. When he won the Masters he didn't go for any of the Par 5s in 2 the whole tourney but still tore them apart.

I'm taking a we'll see approach on Lee and Kisner. Kisner was on fire but a guy like him could disappear quickly. Or he could be the next Zach Johnson.

And there's no question the top 20 listed are bombers but I don't buy that list as gospel. Those numbers are based on driving distances of only 2 holes per week being measured at each tournament. It certainly can give you a feel but those driving distance numbers - because of the way they're calculated - don't tell the whole tale.

 

[mdpitt]

so you are on record as saying that you drive for show but putt for dough??

That's what it's all about. As someone who could routinely drive it 275 down the middle for 20 years and now am trailing off to 245-250 straight, my handicap is much lower today in my mid 40s compared to when I was really young. I wish I would have practiced my 150 yard approach 10 times more than driving while young.

It's unbelievable how much better my group of people are putting the ball compared to when we're young but our approach shots from 150 sure make the first putt shorter.

We get a chuckle out of the young guys bombing it around 300 yards at the club only to be frustrated when they lose to someone twice their age.

It's really the only sport that can be played competitively between two people with a 60 year difference in age.

 

[Delpanther]

Tiger's a physical mess. Add to that, mentally, he may be in a similar state. Doubt that he wins another PGA tournament.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Tiger's a physical mess. Add to that, mentally, he may be in a similar state. Doubt that he wins another PGA tournament.

If women beat you with a 5 iron and ski poles you'd be a physical mess as well.
Not to mention that alcohol and drug fueled night with like 20 plus women some he paid for.
Plus I believe he was giving "model like" Amada Duffner and other PGA wives golf lessons while their husbands was trying to earn a living on the PGA tour.

-keep you head down so you don't top the ball
-not to much grip pressure of you'll close the face of the club
-bend your knees and relax when you address the ball

Stuff like this will wear a man down over time!

 

[Delpanther]

If women beat you with a 5 iron and ski poles you'd be a physical mess as well.
Not to mention that alcohol and drug fueled night with like 20 plus women some he paid for.
Plus I believe he was giving "model like" Amada Duffner and other PGA wives golf lessons while their husbands was trying to earn a living on the PGA tour.

-keep you head down so you don't top the ball
-not to much grip pressure of you'll close the face of the club
-bend your knees and relax when you address the ball

Stuff like this will wear a man down over time!

I hear ya....the rigors of the PGA tour pro...they would wear anyone down.

 

[Swervin27]

That's what it's all about. As someone who could routinely drive it 275 down the middle for 20 years and now am trailing off to 245-250 straight, my handicap is much lower today in my mid 40s compared to when I was really young. I wish I would have practiced my 150 yard approach 10 times more than driving while young.

It's unbelievable how much better my group of people are putting the ball compared to when we're young but our approach shots from 150 sure make the first putt shorter.

We get a chuckle out of the young guys bombing it around 300 yards at the club only to be frustrated when they lose to someone twice their age.

It's really the only sport that can be played competitively between two people with a 60 year difference in age.

mdpitt, in all seriousness, for us average, every day golfers, yes, driving is very trivial.. Most lost strokes for golfers with a 10+ handicap are gonna be around the green, within 75 yards.. How many times have you driven a beauty, 275 yards in middle of fairway then missed the green with a 9 iron, pitched it onto green only to run 30' past the hole and 3 putted it in a double...

Regarding professionals though, yes you don't have to be the longest hitter but if you are not, you better have a sick short game or you are screwed.. It's like anything with professional athletes, if you suck at one thing, you better be unreal at another skill set or you wont last long.. If you are on the bottom half of distance off the tee, you probably have an incredible short game or we haven't heard of you.. The Corey Pavin's of the world are an exception, not the rule.. If you are consistently hitting 25-30 yards more on your approach shots than the field, you are in big trouble..

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

I didn't mean to imply that the bombers were the best golfers/scorers. What I was saying is it's hard to be consistently in the upper echelon week after week and year after year if you're a short knocker with Furyk and Johnson being the exceptions I mentioned. Sneds is one I forgot. Sneds can really roll it which is why he's where he is and Zach is phenomenal with his wedges. When he won the Masters he didn't go for any of the Par 5s in 2 the whole tourney but still tore them apart.

I'm taking a we'll see approach on Lee and Kisner. Kisner was on fire but a guy like him could disappear quickly. Or he could be the next Zach Johnson.

And there's no question the top 20 listed are bombers but I don't buy that list as gospel. Those numbers are based on driving distances of only 2 holes per week being measured at each tournament. It certainly can give you a feel but those driving distance numbers - because of the way they're calculated - don't tell the whole tale.

Brooks Koepka is another example..he is huge off the tee but inconsistent with everything else.....

 

[Swervin27]

That's what it's all about. As someone who could routinely drive it 275 down the middle for 20 years and now am trailing off to 245-250 straight, my handicap is much lower today in my mid 40s compared to when I was really young. I wish I would have practiced my 150 yard approach 10 times more than driving while young.

It's unbelievable how much better my group of people are putting the ball compared to when we're young but our approach shots from 150 sure make the first putt shorter.

We get a chuckle out of the young guys bombing it around 300 yards at the club only to be frustrated when they lose to someone twice their age.

It's really the only sport that can be played competitively between two people with a 60 year difference in age.

Uhhh, old man golf.. Turning what should be a 3 hour round of golf into a 6 hour day.. no matter what time of day I go golfing, sure has hell know that I will be stuck behind 4 old men.. honestly, playing behind 4 women isn't nearly as bad.. they hit it 100 yards but they KNOW they can only hit it 100 yards so they don't wait for the foursome in front of them to leave the green when they are 260 yards out like the old timers do.. Love it absolutely love waiting 20 minutes after each shot..

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Uhhh, old man golf.. Turning what should be a 3 hour round of golf into a 6 hour day.. no matter what time of day I go golfing, sure has hell know that I will be stuck behind 4 old men.. honestly, playing behind 4 women isn't nearly as bad.. they hit it 100 yards but they KNOW they can only hit it 100 yards so they don't wait for the foursome in front of them to leave the green when they are 260 yards out like the old timers do.. Love it absolutely love waiting 20 minutes after each shot..

My wife and I have a 6:30 am tee time every Sunday behind regulars who play real fast. We finish in 3.5 hrs sometimes 3.25 hrs. Home by 10:30.
I walk and carry my bag and my wife pulls a cart or rides sometimes. Our course is big on ready golf. Go to your ball and hit the freaken thing, find the ball, and hit it again if the group in front is out of range by 30 yards or so.
I watch guys on some courses hit a 175 yard drive consistently and wait on their second which is over 250 yards. That's when after a few holes they look back as see my Srixon looking at them about 10 yards back.
Another thing there's no reason for four people to look for one ball. If you can't find you ball in the first 30 secs. of looking you don't know where it is and you'll probably find another ball.

fyi my wife plays like you said fast.She plays fastr than 90% of the guys out on the course. She hits a drive no more than 150 and second shots around 125 so she plays the ball until she's in range of the people in front of us.
Ready golf!

 

[Swervin27]

My wife and I have a 6:30 am tee time every Sunday behind regulars who play real fast. We finish in 3.5 hrs sometimes 3.25 hrs. Home by 10:30.
I walk and carry my bag and my wife pulls a cart or rides sometimes. Our course is big on ready golf. Go to your ball and hit the freaken thing, find the ball, and hit it again if the group in front is out of range by 30 yards or so.
I watch guys on some courses hit a 175 yard drive consistently and wait on their second which is over 250 yards. That's when after a few holes they look back as see my Srixon looking at them about 10 yards back.
Another thing there's no reason for four people to look for one ball. If you can't find you ball in the first 30 secs. of looking you don't know where it is and you'll probably find another ball.

fyi my wife plays like you said fast.She plays fastr than 90% of the guys out on the course. She hits a drive no more than 150 and second shots around 125 so she plays the ball until she's in range of the people in front of us.
Ready golf!

Ready golf will cure 99% of all slow golf.. Its so simple.. Kills me when a foursome goes to one ball, watches guy do practice swings, hits then they walk to next person's ball, repeat.. See it a lot on greens, 3 guys in huddle watching guy do pre-routine, then he misses.. Next golfer leaves huddle and does same.. EVERYONE GO TO YOUR F*CKING BALL AND GET READY... 3 SECONDS AFTER YOUR BUDDY HITS BALL, YOU HIT IT.. You and me Parrothead, we are the same, need to spread the word..

You know what's the worst? When dude hits drive into woods and cant find it, then he comes back to tee to hit another ball. I am not a violent person but that guy deserves a club wrapped around his skull. dude, it's south park golf course, drop a freakin ball, your laying 2 and get moving at.. You're playing with a guy that has no shirt on and jean shorts, no reason to pull out the PGA rule book cause you suck...

buffetparrothead, I am not kidding about women golfers, they are quick. They accept their shortcomings unlike us men.. It's like the dude on a par 5, 280 out with 3 wood in hand, waiting til the group in front of him leaves green because one time he hit a 3 wood 280, 10 years ago.. Yeah, you got lucky once, it wont happen again.. I hooked up with a really hot chick at Jacks one time when I was in my 20's, I didn't bother going to the drug store for condoms every time I went to the south side after thinking lightning was gonna strike again..

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Ready golf will cure 99% of all slow golf.. Its so simple.. Kills me when a foursome goes to one ball, watches guy do practice swings, hits then they walk to next person's ball, repeat.. See it a lot on greens, 3 guys in huddle watching guy do pre-routine, then he misses.. Next golfer leaves huddle and does same.. EVERYONE GO TO YOUR F*CKING BALL AND GET READY... 3 SECONDS AFTER YOUR BUDDY HITS BALL, YOU HIT IT.. You and me Parrothead, we are the same, need to spread the word..

You know what's the worst? When dude hits drive into woods and cant find it, then he comes back to tee to hit another ball. I am not a violent person but that guy deserves a club wrapped around his skull. dude, it's south park golf course, drop a freakin ball, your laying 2 and get moving at.. You're playing with a guy that has no shirt on and jean shorts, no reason to pull out the PGA rule book cause you suck...

buffetparrothead, I am not kidding about women golfers, they are quick. They accept their shortcomings unlike us men.. It's like the dude on a par 5, 280 out with 3 wood in hand, waiting til the group in front of him leaves green because one time he hit a 3 wood 280, 10 years ago.. Yeah, you got lucky once, it wont happen again.. I hooked up with a really hot chick at Jacks one time when I was in my 20's, I didn't bother going to the drug store for condoms every time I went to the south side after thinking lightning was gonna strike again..

We have a rule in our golf league loss of stroke not distance when you hit a ball in the woods.
If it was loss of distance and stroke the clowns in my league would be on the tees banging the balls in the woods all day long.

 

[Swervin27]

We have a rule in our golf league loss of stroke not distance when you hit a ball in the woods.
If it was loss of distance and stroke the clowns in my league would be on the tees banging the balls in the woods all day long.

not sure what you mean. Say I slice it into woods. I drop it out where it went in, of course giving myself a nice lie, and I say one in, two out, hitting 3.. Is that what you mean??

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

What set Tiger apart for a long time was the combination of length off the tee and terrific putting.

When these guys are hitting 6 or 7 irons as their second shot on a par 5, then that's just about a sure bird and in his heyday, Tiger just ate up the par 5s because of his length off the tee...

Go Pitt.

That's true. But he was an amazing putter. Let's face it, Phil also had about the same length during Tiger's amazing run just he would go awry occasionally with his drives and spent too much time scrambling (even though he was the best at it) but where Tiger separated himself from Phil is his putting.

Now, all of the top players are as long as Tiger ever was, and are excellent ball strikers

 

[BuffetParrothead]

not sure what you mean. Say I slice it into woods. I drop it out where it went in, of course giving myself a nice lie, and I say one in, two out, hitting 3.. Is that what you mean??

Out of bounds of the tee or anywhere else is loss of distance and stroke
Lost ball off the tee or anywhere else is loss of distance and stroke
Unplayable lie if you don't have a shot within two club lengths relief you're probably going back to the tee or where you hit the ball from + loss of stroke.
Unplayable Lie? Back to the Tee?
I hit my tee shot and it headed for an area that is basically full of unplayable lies and is not marked as a hazard.
The cart path cuts through this area. I found and identified my ball, which was under a bush (unplayable) on left side of cart path (closest to fairway and hole).
My nearest point of relief within two club lengths would be another unplayable lie or on the cart path. In keeping the spot where my ball lies between me and the hole, going back on that line would put me on the other side of cart path also in the junk with another unplayable lie, except for a very small patch of clear dirt if I could happen to get lucky and have the ball stop there. If I could, I’d be standing on the cart path and nearest point would be in the junk again. Is best (and probably only) option here to go back to the tee?
Les' Answer:
Yes, that would be the best option. You could actually try to drop it on the cart path and play it from there. But, dropping on the cart path can lead to an erratic bounce into another unplayable lie which would cause another penalty stroke. The 2 club length option is always risky because if the ball rolls back into the original position, it costs another stroke to move it. Anything but going back to the tee would be way too risky and then probably lead to 2 or 3 more strokes to get the ball in play. Better to lie 3 where you can hit the ball than lie 3 in the junk..

I played a few 50 and over tournaments last year which are goverened by real golf rules. This is a cute one that one guy got me on.
He asked me to move my ball mark on the green out of his line. I did but 3 other guys putted before me. I placed my ball down and removed my mark and he called a one stroke penalty on me because I was supposed to move my mark and ball back to the original spot. He was right but kind of a di-k for calling that.

 

[1963Uninvited]

Out of bounds of the tee or anywhere else is loss of distance and stroke
Lost ball off the tee or anywhere else is loss of distance and stroke
Unplayable lie if you don't have a shot within two club lengths relief you're probably going back to the tee or where you hit the ball from + loss of stroke.
Unplayable Lie? Back to the Tee?
I hit my tee shot and it headed for an area that is basically full of unplayable lies and is not marked as a hazard.
The cart path cuts through this area. I found and identified my ball, which was under a bush (unplayable) on left side of cart path (closest to fairway and hole).
My nearest point of relief within two club lengths would be another unplayable lie or on the cart path. In keeping the spot where my ball lies between me and the hole, going back on that line would put me on the other side of cart path also in the junk with another unplayable lie, except for a very small patch of clear dirt if I could happen to get lucky and have the ball stop there. If I could, I’d be standing on the cart path and nearest point would be in the junk again. Is best (and probably only) option here to go back to the tee?
Les' Answer:
Yes, that would be the best option. You could actually try to drop it on the cart path and play it from there. But, dropping on the cart path can lead to an erratic bounce into another unplayable lie which would cause another penalty stroke. The 2 club length option is always risky because if the ball rolls back into the original position, it costs another stroke to move it. Anything but going back to the tee would be way too risky and then probably lead to 2 or 3 more strokes to get the ball in play. Better to lie 3 where you can hit the ball than lie 3 in the junk..

I played a few 50 and over tournaments last year which are goverened by real golf rules. This is a cute one that one guy got me on.
He asked me to move my ball mark on the green out of his line. I did but 3 other guys putted before me. I placed my ball down and removed my mark and he called a one stroke penalty on me because I was supposed to move my mark and ball back to the original spot. He was right but kind of a di-k for calling that.

Always use the same side of your coin (heads) to mark. When someone asks you to move your mark, always turn it over (to tails). Ever since I started doing this, I don't think I've ever forgotten to replace my mark.