I believe he took an OV to Pitt. This would be a great get and fit for what Pitt still needs. A big and 3PT sniper.
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I dont believe in recruiting freshmen anymore unless they are a Day 1 impact player. 22 year olds from mid-majors or high majors are better
Here’s hoping Lowe and Carrington prove your sentiment wrong.
I know the times have changed big time given transfers but I’m excited to have a couple highly rated freshman coming in along with Dior Johnson who’s essentially another freshman. We haven’t had this quality of incoming freshman/HS recruits in a very long time.
Throw in the potential of the Diaz twins who were true freshman last year, and we could end up getting good size contributions from other than just transfers. Go figure.
It’s funny that I said this about Lowe and Carrington during the season that them committing is almost meaningless because they’re fringe top 100 guys (and Carrington is young) and I got killed and told I was negative etc etc and now that’s pretty much accepted that we shouldn’t rely on them next year. It ALWAYS comes out I was right
That's 3 freshmen that we can't count on (Johnson is for all intents and purposes a freshman). I'd rather have the experienced, skilled, mature team players from the portal. It will take those 3 freshmen at least one entire season to start to hit their stride. As long as everyone else is playing the portal game, we need to step up and do the same.
Did we miss the part where these guys have already suited up in game action for Pitt?
I don't think too many conclusions can be drawn about their ability to contribute until they actually get on the floor and play some games for Pitt. Odds are you'll end up being right, but we won't know until we know.
And it's still critically important to recruit high school players and develop them IMO. Ideally you're adding transfers to improve what you already have, as opposed to adding the to just be able to field a team.
Freshmen are playing less and less across college basketball. I think Lowe and Carrington are and will be pretty good, maybe as soon as now, but I don’t see a point in trying to buck the emerging trend if you aren’t forced into it. If either of those guys come in and are too good not to play, then that’s a good problem to have. But it’s also a good problem to have to not be expecting to rely on them.
i think you find a balance. you cant go 100% all transfers every year, you'll drive yourself mad..
I get your point, in hoops, you use the portal big time but quit recruiting high school kids cold turkey? Come on, way overboard.
i'd love a recruit like this cause he gets a limited role, 8-10 MPG (IF he's good) and he can develop behind Federiko and G.. then you have a talented big guy learning the system..
Just got to sell it to the high school kid, who more than likely wants to come in and start from day one. Which with our roster, isnt' gonna happen..
Here here !
People need to let them get here and show us what they have before patting yourself on your ( back bb insider) !
Who wouldn’t want 23 yr olds with 4-5 yrs of college experience over 18 yr olds right out of high school . (if they have similar skills ) , but as the Covid extra yr disappears younger players will become more important.
Should be plenty of room for both. We just had our best season in the better part of a decade while only utilizing 9 scholarships. And even a few of them didn't see many minutes. I don't see any harm in having multiple developmental young guys on the roster at any one time. You're not going to get very many high-quality transfers to come here and play 10 minutes/game anyway; there are only so many spots to go around.
Yawn. John Hugley. I’ll pat myself on the back until the end of time for the single greatest evaluation this site has ever had.
The last time a 17 year old top 100 kid was expected to contribute like Carrington was Will Jeffress and I was about the only person on here who thought Jeffress wouldn’t… soooo
I would only recruit Top 100s. Really no point in bringing in guys lower than that. They wont contribute right away and portal guys are better. There's also massive risk in bring in a HS player that he will transfer very soon. I'd go basically all portal.
So Lowe and Carrington dont matter but Louisville signs guys 30 spots better so they are going to the tournament now? Help me make sense of your logic?
Champagnie was a pretty good recruit. The only mistake there was we should've pushed harder for his brother
Carrington is 17. I never mentioned lowe. You’re very slow(e)
And Trenton Flowers is more talented than anyone who is on our roster. If he would’ve stayed 24, would’ve been top 5, possibly 1
yeah but you are only gonna use 8-9 players a year anyways. so better to have a few 4 year players on scholarship, learning the system, and hopefully getting better to the point where they can produce as redshirt fresh/sophomores.
you have about 15 players that fit that description under the howland/dixon era. guys that needed a few years to be ready to play..
Take this upcoming year. Do you really want a 1 year player as our 6th guard option? Do we want yet another guard from some mid major to be our 3rd string Point guard or would you rather have a recruit, top 150 type player out of high school to come in and sit a year and be an option in '24 or '25..
worst case, they dont get better and you push them off to their life's work or a lower program..
There's a lot to be said for players having potential but not contributing much right away. It's called development. Working hard to get better. With that comes maturity, familiarity, ownership, leadership and understanding. This is how it was done at the best programs for many decades, until fairly recently.
Having a strong foundation of program guys and adding impact transfers when needed seems like a pretty good formula. Turning over most of your roster every year does not.
asking Capel, or better yet expecting Capel to get 3-4 quality players out of the portal every year, to come in and play cohesively, is a HUGE ask.
Yes, he did it last year, no argument. but that's your annual strategy? What's the success rate of repeating this every year? 50%? 33%??
again, you find a nice balance. some years it will be higher than the other.
i do think the days of relying primarily on high school recruits for a school like PItt is long gone..
But instead he's a reclass who just turned 18 and has a slight frame.
He's certainly a talent, but I think it's a stretch to be penciling him and the other incoming freshmen in as a force to be reckoned with in the ACC from Day 1, especially with a schlep like Payne as their coach. The freshmen are likely to struggle, that's just the way it is. This isn't exactly a Fab 5 type group Payne has coming in.
Thank you, all this talk about recruiting nowhere other than the portal when most teams have a 8-9 player rotation, maybe 10 for a small few teams. Like we or any team can’t afford to recruit a few quality true freshmen whether for immediate contribution or development purposes. There’s only so many coaches and staffs that can continually turn over the majority of their roster every year and hit on a majority of those transfers to be successful.
agree. im not getting this desire from posters on here to get yet another 5th year point guard. someone that can shoot 3s at 40%? ok, i get that but do we really need a 6th guard for next year to handle the ball?
I think most people are saying that taking 2-3 high school kids a class is a fair amount. But that doesn’t mean they’ll all contribute right away. Some aren’t going to pan out at all - nature of recruiting. Some will leave after a year. Doesn’t mean they aren’t worth taking, but there’s a balance and I think we’re doing an okay job with it.
If you take Kante as your fourth high school kid, it’s because he’s the best player that you can add with the 12th or 13th scholarship. You shouldn’t ask for him to be more than your third center this year - and if he brings the most value out of any of the “third centers” on the market, go for it! Four high school kids is a pretty big class, but all of them are talented in their own ways and we’re fortunate to be in a position where you don’t need any of them to play heavy minutes for you this year. If they’re good enough to do it, all the better.
If you take Kante as your fourth high school kid, it’s because he’s the best player that you can add with the 12th or 13th scholarship. You shouldn’t ask for him to be more than your third center this year - and if he brings the most value out of any of the “third centers” on the market, go for it! Four high school kids is a pretty big class, but all of them are talented in their own ways and we’re fortunate to be in a position where you don’t need any of them to play heavy minutes for you this year. If they’re good enough to do it, all the better.
Nah. Me calling Adams a sure fire lottery pick before he stepped on campus when @Sean Miller Fan thought he would take years to become an NBA player is way better.
Just imagine what would have happened if Dixon used him correctly.
Once again you’re jumping to conclusions. Let’s see how the rest of his career plays out . I’d love to see him play at a school that plays Pitt .
Had he been healthy last season Pitt would have been a better team . The team didn’t need to revolve around him as in the past which should’ve made him more effective.
Pitt was a much better team last yr due to having Hinson , Cummings , Nike , Elliot , the twins and Fede not because Big John didn’t play . They could actually shoot the ball .
Curious if you know that he’d have accepted that different role. And maybe he was told that and that’s part of why he bailed.
To be clear I’m not saying I know anything. But I am saying you don’t either.
The first time I saw Adams at Greentree it was impossible not to realize he was a physical freak . The player at Greentree showed much more game than the one that played for Pitt . Selfishly I wanted him to stay another yr at Pitt , but he wasn’t very happy playing for JD . Bottom line is always take the money , especially before NIL .
JRob also showed he was something special , shame he plateaued so early .
Never said I have any insight into what really transpired , but teams in previous seasons packed it in defensively against Pitt knowing that they couldn’t shoot the ball . Burtons inside game certainty flourished with teams having to defend the 3 , don’t see how it couldn’t have benefited Big John .
I also doubt we’ll never know what really happened.
FWIW I agreed in the past that IF Hugley accepted a different role I do think he could have provided value. But yea unlikely we’ll ever know the full story.
And as far as Adams, yes, a physical freak. No doubt. But he really didn’t do much different in the NBA in terms of how he was used. But he took his role on and has done well for himself. Very much so.
Adams never stepping foot on Pitt’s campus after their last loss, didn’t even go back to his dorm and get his clothes, was a pretty strong indictment that he wanted no parts of playing anymore for dixon and Pitt.
The dude literally never came back to even get his stuff.
How can there still be a subsection of Pitt fans this stupid to not know the success of the team was a direct result of John Hugley NOT playing. It actually seems insane.
He is an all time loser of a person and player. He will drag Oklahoma even further down next year. He went to a shit program. Shocked
He didnt like Dixon. And that is true about him never returning to campus. They had to mail him his stuff. Dixon wasnt even invited to as part of his NBA Draft Green Room contingent.
