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Seriously, nice season for Coach Moose Lodge. They even played Alabama OOC. They also did not play Michigan State, Michigan and Ohio State in their cross over games. They also played Iowa and Northwestern at home.

Next year, Wisky plays LSU OOC, plays the all of the above 3, including both Michigan's on the road. Iowa on the road. Northwestern on the road. Good luck.
 
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Seriously, nice season for Coach Moose Lodge. They even played Alabama OOC. They also did not play Michigan State, Michigan and Ohio State in their cross over games. They also played Iowa and Northwestern at home.

Next year, Wisky plays LSU OOC, plays the all of the above 3, including both Michigan's on the road. Iowa on the road. Northwestern on the road. Good luck.
Paul Chryst and Barry Alvarez always made a good Coaching Combination and still are and can work together.
 
Seriously, nice season for Coach Moose Lodge. They even played Alabama OOC. They also did not play Michigan State, Michigan and Ohio State in their cross over games. They also played Iowa and Northwestern at home.

Next year, Wisky plays LSU OOC, plays the all of the above 3, including both Michigan's on the road. Iowa on the road. Northwestern on the road. Good luck.
You forgot to mention that they are losing a 3 year starter at QB and more than likely the hottest DC name in the country right now. So he will likely struggle next year, but he kinda gets a pass IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens with the DC spot there. Will BA make the decision for Chryst or will he trust his coach to hire the right guy?

Just as he shouldn't get a ton of credit for their success this year, he shouldn't get a ton of blame if the struggle next year.
 
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Favored in 11 of 13 games. Must be nice to inherit that much talent and play in a very weak division.
 
You forgot to mention that they are losing a 3 year starter at QB and more than likely the hottest DC name in the country right now. So he will likely struggle next year, but he kinda gets a pass IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens with the DC spot there. Will BA make the decision for Chryst or will he trust his coach to hire the right guy?

Just as he shouldn't get a ton of credit for their success this year, he shouldn't get a ton of blame if the struggle next year.
Great post as usual, but from I hear Alvarez still runs the Program, and why Bilema and Andersen left with little to no notice!

Chryst is still the OC like he was at Pitt, since his Special Teams and Defense made him 19-20!
 
it also reported the D.C. has just left for LSU
Barry Alvarez was pretty darn good on choosing the DC and Special Team Coaches at Wisky! It is his strength and just lets Chryst run the OC. Chryst and other coaches do all the hours and work, Barry makes suggestions and selections, some stay and learn and then learn, the other two that left could not wait to leave!

Guess those Nebraskan Graduates A.D's just think they know it all, but in Barry Alvarez case at least he played and coached College Football.


Pederson was only good at paying Consultants with the Programs money!
 
He had a nice season but inherited a solid roster and had his DC picked by BA.
Will be a little interesting now to see what happens.
Also, Wisc has not escaped the coaching turnover explosion.
 
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He had a nice season but inherited a solid roster and had his DC picked by BA.
Will be a little interesting now to see what happens.
Also, Wisc has not escaped the coaching turnover explosion.
They leave because BA has his fingers in the Program, but BA has good judgment, also coaches games between Interim coaches, that shows you he is involved all season long.

BA develops his own Program, Hone Grows his OL, finds great Running Backs, and makes sure Defenses Coach's coaches up the Recruits.

When BA leaves it will be interesting to see how Paul Chryst does then and how he will handle recruiting, Defense and Special Teams coaching?
 
A pretty silly thing to say, with Boyd going pro ,
Ollison and whitehead winning acc honors, were his commits along with 6 of the other 7 all conference played on the roster .

Silliness.
Silliness was losing 2 to 3 games every year while the Offense was winning by not having good Special Teams Coach or Defenses!

Chryst went 19-20 with that wiped out Boyd's hard work because he said he didn't need a Special Teams Coach that you agreed with, now you complain when you wrong then and are proven wrong now? But too weak and puny to admit it!

Guess you want Chryst back with Pederson??? You were silly then and still now!
 
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Silliness was losing 2 to 3 games the Offense was winning by not having good Special Teams Coach or Defenses!

Guess you want Chryst back with Pederson??? You were silly then and still now!
Nope, I didn't think much of him as a head coach .
But it's stupid to criticize his recruiting when Pitt had as many all acc performers as fsu... And I believe ejuan price is the only one not one of his recruits.

Good coach ? Probably not. But he recruited well, especially offense .
 
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"SoufOaklin4Life, post: 699951, member: 1562"]Nope, I didn't think much of him as a head coach
Well, good to see you are growing up!
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But it's stupid to criticize his recruiting when Pitt had as many all acc performers as fsu... And I believe ejuan price is the only one not one of his recruits.
Although I don't critcize Recruits or Recruiting because I do not follow it.

I do accept that from you because it is accuarte and agree with it, but Chryst couldn't win more games with them and did need a Special Teams Coach that cost those Players more wins every year!


Yet, to be fair part of his Recruiting Success was Players that De-committed from PSU in Holtz and Johnson and Boyd made Pitt Is It only after careful consideration of PSU! Former PSU Alum Bobby Engram made that happen too!

Good coach ? Probably not. But he recruited well, especially offense.
Agree in part, his problem Chryst put the best Players on Offense and that was OK, even change some Defensive Players iunto OL, Again Ok as far as I am concern.

But Chryst at the same time and every year, cost 2 to3 Wins on his horrible Special Teams that he made fun of not needing a Special Team Coach and Narduzzi found a ST coach that improved ST in one year. Chryst left Pitt a Loser at 19-20 like Graham at 6-7!

Chryst was a panic pick by Pederson, and Chryst never intended to stay at Pitt and needed Pitt to give him his First Head Coaching job after being turned down multiple times!


Chryst was a Double Edged Sword that cut both ways, and we can agree that both of us are glad he is gone from Pitt!
 
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You forgot to mention that they are losing a 3 year starter at QB and more than likely the hottest DC name in the country right now. So he will likely struggle next year, but he kinda gets a pass IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens with the DC spot there. Will BA make the decision for Chryst or will he trust his coach to hire the right guy?

Just as he shouldn't get a ton of credit for their success this year, he shouldn't get a ton of blame if the struggle next year.
Do they take a number of losses? Goooooooood. We are already going to be facing MSU/TUOS after both lose a TON of talent this yr.

I will feel better in a yr or two more, but we have had a lot of players leave the last 7 yrs. It will be nice to start having a big number of 5th year guys annually contributing.

As far as Wiscy though, perhaps Chryst does get along with Barry, but he appears to be the only one. They cant keep coaches.
 
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Don't understand the negativity toward Paul Chryst. He pulled Pitt out of the fire after the Graham fiasco. He restocked our offensive line that was neglected for years and ran a clean program. Narduzzi is the Man but Chryst was not a disaster.
 
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aged_wolverine, post: 700347, member: 2694"]Do they take a number of losses? Goooooooood. We are already going to be facing MSU/TUOS after both lose a TON of talent this yr.
My point exactly, losing Players esepecially Starters at QB is a big blow to any Team. Yet, Elite and Great Coaches handle it with still wining 9 to 10 Games!
Most of Penn State is back but may be getting a New QB! But loaded everywhere else!


I will feel better in a yr or two more, but we have had a lot of players leave the last 7 yrs. It will be nice to start having a big number of 5th year guys annually contributing.
This is a true advantage Big Ten Programs have over other Conferences. The Big Ten has UNLIMITED NON-QUALIFIERS meaning the GPA and SAT Scores don't matter so long as they come to any Program and Redshirt and so long as they prove they can do College Work that year they are accepted. The ACC, Big-12 and PAc-12 does not allow this access and limits Non-Qualifiers.

In addition, the Big Ten Programs can afford larger Rosters Sizes over other Programs with the Revenues that come in that cover the cost of additional Walk-Ons that can also be used in the 5th Year of them practicing all those years and great advantage to fill in for injured Players. Duke, Wake Forest, Pitt, and other Programs simply cannot afford that those type of additional Players on the Rosters that usually are limited to 105 to 110 Players versus bigger ones that can go to 145 to 180 in Big Ten and SEC!


Moreover, in 2008, there were just 3 NCAA Football Programs that made over $100 Million a year. Now just last year there are 28, and SEC and B1G have 18 Programs out of those 28 that make that kind of money and that means they can have bigger and better Coaching Salaries, Recruiting Resources min Camps Invites, Clinics, Travel Visits, Players Stipends, Rosters, and Support Staffs than Smaller Programs.

Again, a great advantage to B1G and SEC with more very profitable TV Networks and other Revenues, and this is a big advantage over other Universities Programs both within the B1G and SEC and especially outside those Conferences!

As far as Wisky though, perhaps Chryst does get along with Barry, but he appears to be the only one. They cant keep coaches.
Barry Alvarez a Pittsburgh Native Son and Nebraska Alumnus bailed out Nebraska Alumnus Pitt A.D. Steve Pederson needing help after Toad GraHAM left Pitt after one year because no one was impressed with Paul Chryst after many Interviews to become a Head Coach. Then Wisky Coach Bilema left Alvarez with no notice for Former Pitt A.D. and Arkansas Jeff Long's firing of Petrino and Bilema was glad to leave Wisky for SEC Arkansas!

This open the Head Coach job at Wisky and Paul Chryst was silent during Critical Recruiting Post Season, and ready to leave Pitt again, but Alvarez refused to bring him back after 1 year!

Alavarez then hired Andersen that left Wisky after 2 years, again without notice, for Oregon State after Nebraska grabbed the Oregon State Coach!

Alvarez then hired Chryst that again was silent and couldn't wait to go Wisky and Alvarez Pitt was again out of a Coach due to these Nebraska Alumnus that few to none Coaches wanted to work for at Wisky or Pitt in Alvarez and Pederson?

However, this time, the New Pitt Chancellor dumped Pederson and bought him out to leave and a New Interim A.D. with no experienced within weeks not months, chose MSU's Coach Narduzzi and then the Chancellor brought in a Pitt New A.D. in 6 months later!


Some of us Old Golden Panthers that used to raise millions to support Pitt Program, suspected Alvarez got back at Pitt, when Pitt refused to hire Barry Avarez way back in the 1990s when he wanted a Head Coaching job and Pitt hired someone else. A another mistake by that Chancellor and A.D. at that time too and refused to bring back Jackie Sherrill too?

Thank Goodness for Coaches that did not want to work under Alvarez and Pederson and better for Arkansas and Pitt today! As well as, Louisville and Nebraska and only Oregon State has had some problems in 2015?
 
"quip, post: 700389, member: 1082"]Don't understand the negativity toward Paul Chryst. He pulled Pitt out of the fire after the Graham fiasco. He restocked our offensive line that was neglected for years and ran a clean program. Narduzzi is the Man but Chryst was not a disaster.
Agree, but Chryst was not the answer and never committed to staying at Pitt and went 19-20 and cost Pitt 2 to 3 Games every year and could have went 8-4 and 9-3 had he not lost Games due to horrible Special Teams and mocked having a Special teams Coach, and why he was Mediocre at Pitt, not a success at all? Chryst was another Walt Harris a Great OC/QB Coach but Walt at least went 9-4 once and around .541% in Wins while Chryst left a tad under .500%! Both were beset by lack of Resources for Staff and had Musical Chair Assistants coming and going to be fair? Both won some very Tough Games against some Great coaches, but would then lose to lesser Teams, Talent, and Coaches with little to no explanations, and both lost with bad Special Teams that undermine a Good Offense or Good Defensive effort?

Both had Personalities that did not bring in Top Recruits either, just a few!
 
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Don't understand the negativity toward Paul Chryst. He pulled Pitt out of the fire after the Graham fiasco. He restocked our offensive line that was neglected for years and ran a clean program. Narduzzi is the Man but Chryst was not a disaster.
Oversimplified, I think for many Pitt fans it was :
1. Youngstown State
2. Matt House....along with some other curious assistant decisions
3. Akron
4. The overwhelming feeling that his whole purpose here was to get on the job training for Barry Alvarez.
 
Foge went 9-2 his first year. How'd that work out? Chryst's a bum. He was a caretaker this year. His incompetence will manifest itself more each year.
 
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Wisconsin's Rivals recruiting rankings since 2010:
37, 33, 57, 57, 40, 88

Pitt's Rivals recruiting rankings since 2010:
66, 44, 35, 47, 59, 33

In other words, as a program, they've done A LOT more with less. I fully expect that to continue going forward. Why? Because they know who they are, and more importantly, who they are not; and they specifically recruit to it without any regard whatsoever to the recruiting rankings – because they understand that the recruiting rankings are completely irrelevant.

We could learn a lesson from their approach.
 
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They do get it done! They just have an identity and they stick to it. It's who they recruit, it's how they coach, they are just very consistent in how they go about their business.
Excellent post and quite agree, and Pitt is building the same now at Pitt with Gallagher/Narduzzi/Barnes!
 
Wisconsin's Rivals recruiting rankings since 2010:
37, 33, 57, 57, 40, 88

Pitt's Rivals recruiting rankings since 2010:
66, 44, 35, 47, 59, 33

In other words, as a program, they've done A LOT more with less. I fully expect that to continue going forward. Why? Because they know who they are, and more importantly, who they are not; and they specifically recruit to it without any regard whatsoever to the recruiting rankings – because they understand that the recruiting rankings are completely irrelevant.

We could learn a lesson from their approach.
Great post and agree, but I don't think Chryst could have done that at Pitt? Alvarez built that type of Program at Wisky and all 3 Coaches he selected won that way, Bieleam, Andersen, and Chryst with Alvarez "A.D./"Coaching" Acumen helping them, on a well established Foundation he built and Coached in Bowl Games as an Interim Coach.

I still see Chryst as an OC, and not a great builder of a Top 25 Program and after Alvarez leaves then we may see if Chryst can do that or maintain that afterwards! he may grow into it, but I see him on his own without Barry, I will wait to see if he can prove it? Others can differ, and so be it!


Pitt's problem as far as I am concern was still Pederson's Poison as stated many times and Chryst was band-aid but not the answer to make the Transfusion of Pederson's bad blood still leftover at Pitt!
 
With all due respect to Wisky, Pitt would most likely have also went 9-3 against the exact same regular season schedule.
I was thinking along those lines as well. I just don't see all this Wisconsin talent I'm hearing about. Chryst had Boyd and Conner his last year at Pitt, IMO way better than anyone on Wisconsin's roster. So it was the defense. Chryst inherited a good defensive coordinator who likely could move on. Make him hire Matt House again and see how good Paul looks at Wisconsin next year.

Pitt did not have a lot of talent at many positions. Many teams have a lot more talent than Pitt. I just don't see this as a scenario where Paul Chryst went to a team with vastly superior talent than the team he left.
 
aged_wolverine, post: 700347, member: 2694"]Do they take a number of losses? Goooooooood. We are already going to be facing MSU/TUOS after both lose a TON of talent this yr.
My point exactly, losing Players esepecially Starters at QB is a big blow to any Team. Yet, Elite and Great Coaches handle it with still wining 9 to 10 Games!
Most of Penn State is back but may be getting a New QB! But loaded everywhere else!


I will feel better in a yr or two more, but we have had a lot of players leave the last 7 yrs. It will be nice to start having a big number of 5th year guys annually contributing.
This is a true advantage Big Ten Programs have over other Conferences. The Big Ten has UNLIMITED NON-QUALIFIERS meaning the GPA and SAT Scores don't matter so long as they come to any Program and Redshirt and so long as they prove they can do College Work that year they are accepted. The ACC, Big-12 and PAc-12 does not allow this access and limits Non-Qualifiers.

In addition, the Big Ten Programs can afford larger Rosters Sizes over other Programs with the Revenues that come in that cover the cost of additional Walk-Ons that can also be used in the 5th Year of them practicing all those years and great advantage to fill in for injured Players. Duke, Wake Forest, Pitt, and other Programs simply cannot afford that those type of additional Players on the Rosters that usually are limited to 105 to 110 Players versus bigger ones that can go to 145 to 180 in Big Ten and SEC!


Moreover, in 2008, there were just 3 NCAA Football Programs that made over $100 Million a year. Now just last year there are 28, and SEC and B1G have 18 Programs out of those 28 that make that kind of money and that means they can have bigger and better Coaching Salaries, Recruiting Resources min Camps Invites, Clinics, Travel Visits, Players Stipends, Rosters, and Support Staffs than Smaller Programs.

Again, a great advantage to B1G and SEC with more very profitable TV Networks and other Revenues, and this is a big advantage over other Universities Programs both within the B1G and SEC and especially outside those Conferences!

As far as Wisky though, perhaps Chryst does get along with Barry, but he appears to be the only one. They cant keep coaches.
Barry Alvarez a Pittsburgh Native Son and Nebraska Alumnus bailed out Nebraska Alumnus Pitt A.D. Steve Pederson needing help after Toad GraHAM left Pitt after one year because no one was impressed with Paul Chryst after many Interviews to become a Head Coach. Then Wisky Coach Bilema left Alvarez with no notice for Former Pitt A.D. and Arkansas Jeff Long's firing of Petrino and Bilema was glad to leave Wisky for SEC Arkansas!

This open the Head Coach job at Wisky and Paul Chryst was silent during Critical Recruiting Post Season, and ready to leave Pitt again, but Alvarez refused to bring him back after 1 year!

Alavarez then hired Andersen that left Wisky after 2 years, again without notice, for Oregon State after Nebraska grabbed the Oregon State Coach!

Alvarez then hired Chryst that again was silent and couldn't wait to go Wisky and Alvarez Pitt was again out of a Coach due to these Nebraska Alumnus that few to none Coaches wanted to work for at Wisky or Pitt in Alvarez and Pederson?

However, this time, the New Pitt Chancellor dumped Pederson and bought him out to leave and a New Interim A.D. with no experienced within weeks not months, chose MSU's Coach Narduzzi and then the Chancellor brought in a Pitt New A.D. in 6 months later!


Some of us Old Golden Panthers that used to raise millions to support Pitt Program, suspected Alvarez got back at Pitt, when Pitt refused to hire Barry Avarez way back in the 1990s when he wanted a Head Coaching job and Pitt hired someone else. A another mistake by that Chancellor and A.D. at that time too and refused to bring back Jackie Sherrill too?

Thank Goodness for Coaches that did not want to work under Alvarez and Pederson and better for Arkansas and Pitt today! As well as, Louisville and Nebraska and only Oregon State has had some problems in 2015?


Cap what school doesn't care about qualifying? Rich Rod tried his damndest, but admissions would not let 5* safety Demar Dorsey attend Michigan.
 
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Cap what school doesn't care about qualifying? Rich Rod tried his damndest, but admissions would not let 5* safety Demar Dorsey attend Michigan.
AW, it is a complicated subject and often misunderstood, but below are Links that explain why the Conferences have Different Rules on accepting Qualifiers and Non-Qualifiers and it takes time to read them all before one comes to understand them in totality, by Conference.

I know it goes by Conference Rules not NCAA Rules, and School to School, but the Big Ten did allow Unlimited Partial and Non-Qualifiers. The Big Ten argues if a Recruit or Walk-On can proves he can do College Work then he can be admitted and practice with the team, but not play in that year until he does Qualify by showing he can pass the courses he takes. It is good argument! This does not mean every recruit or Walk-On is not a Qualifier it just means they can accept as many as they choose and some Schools like Northwestern won't do it.


But Big-12, ACC, and Pac-12 and limits such Admissions.


Here Is A LINK Synopsis Of All Qualifiers & Non-Qualifiers Rules By Conference, notice some Conferences won't accept any Non-Qualifiers. The Big Ten explains why they do? This Update was a change and technically removed the Term Partial Qualifiers in 2006?
CONFERENCE NONQUALIFIER AND ACADEMIC POLICIES FOR SELECTED CONFERENCES
UPDATE MARCH 2006
Only those conferences that reported policies other than
NCAA are listed. Conferences with nonqualifier policies
are listed first.

LINK:

http://compliance.pac-12.org/wp-con...OR-SELECTED-CONFERENCES-UPDATE-MARCH-2006.pdf

Another Article And Link:
It’s the Conference Rules, not the NCAA Rules

The reason non-qualifiers are often not allowed to enroll in schools is because of conference non-qualifier rules. The rules vary from conference to conference and some conferences do not have a non-qualifier rule at all. But the most common version reads something like this: Any non-qualifier whose initial full-time collegiate enrollment occurs at a conference institution shall be permanently ineligible for practice, competition, and athletically-related financial aid at all conference institutions.

LINK:
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/08/21/conference-ncaa-nonqualifier.htm


There is now Another Recent 2015, article on the Subject and proposed changes:

Excerpt:
Players who meet the old academic standards -- but not the new ones -- can receive an academic redshirt. It's a new version of the old partial qualifier with one important exception -- the player does not lose a year of eligibility. Academic redshirts can receive a scholarship and practice with their teams but cannot compete. If they pass nine credit hours in their first semester, they can compete the next season as a redshirt freshman.
Despite many efforts through the years to change initial eligibility standards, "football and men's basketball continue to lag behind other sports in terms of academic performance,” the Big Ten paper says. “Rather than continue chasing the right initial eligibility equation in an attempt to ensure that football and men's basketball student-athletes are prepared, perhaps it is time to try a different approach.”
The Big Ten suggests it's even possible initial eligibility standards could be eliminated in football and men's basketball by making freshmen ineligible. “Current continuing eligibility rules could remain the same, in which case second-year eligibility would be achieved by meeting current standards (e.g., 6, 18 and 24-hour rules with a 1.8 GPA.)”

LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-house-of-cards-if-education-cant-be-defended


Some Old Links On The Subject and One Includes a Michigan Link:

LINK:
http://www.shaggytexas.com/board/sh...fier-is-and-how-it-gave-Nebraska-an-advantage.

http://www.bleachercoaches.com/college-professional-sports/topic13669.html

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193734&s=d93e7b28d500a98b74a139920c7340a9


SEC gets around it with a Consent Decree that was agreed to correct past Discrimination!
Department of Justice Complaint No. 202-35-103 This Settlement Agreement (the "Agreement") is entered into by the Southeastern Conference ("SEC") and the United States of America, through the United States Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division, Disability Rights Section ("the Department")

LINK:
http://www.justice.gov/crt/settleme...ed-states-america-and-southeastern-conference


Some SEC Schools did not even have Minorities on the Basketball Teams in SEC until early 1970s! Vandy was the first to integrate in 1967! I was surprise to learn this at a Sports Lawyers Conference years ago! Aliquippa's Press and Pete Maravich tried to get LSU to change for years, but did not happen until early 1970s.

Excerpt:
Once African Americans were allowed on campus, they were still excluded from athletic teams until the late 1960s and early 1970s!

LINK:
http://www.sportsinblackandwhite.co...on-the-court-college-basketball-in-the-south/


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