Paul Finebaum: Nailed it

[Las Panteras]

If local talent is all that is needed to succeed, Rutgers would be in the CFB multiple years.

And I agree that the right coach will win at the U.

But going the college route ( Fuente, for example) does not seem to make sense to me if I am the AD at Miami. There is no "play for the glory of ole State "...no pageantry...no sellouts.....no tradition that dates back further than 1983.

If I am the AD....I want a coach from the NFL who made his bones in the college ranks but earns his paycheck on Sundays.

That coach could cut through the bullshite and tell those kids from Overtown and Liberty CIty that 3-4 years from now I will get you to the League.

That's the coach that can win big at Miami.

 

[TD_6082]

Big difference in the amount of talent in Jersey and South Florida though.

I agree with you that a coach with NFL ties would be a good fit at the U.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Feinbaum is completely wrong about this. He's just saying what his main constituency (SEC fans) want to hear. And SEC fans hate Miami.

The number of fans in the stands has NEVER mattered down there. If a coach can come in and keep the right Miami-area players in Miami, he'll win like crazy.

Yes, they probably can't afford to pay a coach as much as Alabama or Ohio State and that makes it more likely that a successful coach might leave...but to say that Miami is a terrible job is something that I don't think he believes.

I could not agree more. I think this is wishful thinking by Miami haters. Honestly, when people look back at this 5–10 years from now, they are going to laugh. Miami still has plenty of juice and with the right coach is more than capable of winning a national championship.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Let me also add that it is perfectly understandable for anyone to be a Miami hater.

In fact, if you're not from Miami, I think there's probably something wrong with you if you don't hate the Hurricanes.

They acted horrendously towards everyone else whenever they were on top and I don't think anyone should shed a tear for them now that they are taking their licks.

Personally, I can't get enough of it.

However, and their zeal to dance on their grave, people are taking things way too far. It's flat out insane for people to say that UCF - of the American - is a better job than Miami. Seriously, that's as crazy is anything anyone has ever said on this message board.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I could not agree more. I think this is wishful thinking by Miami haters. Honestly, when people look back at this 5–10 years from now, they are going to laugh. Miami still has plenty of juice and with the right coach is more than capable of winning a national championship.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Let me also add that it is perfectly understandable for anyone to be a Miami hater.

In fact, if you're not from Miami, I think there's probably something wrong with you if you don't hate the Hurricanes.

They acted horrendously towards everyone else whenever they were on top and I don't think anyone should shed a tear for them now that they are taking their licks.

Personally, I can't get enough of it.

However, and their zeal to dance on their grave, people are taking things way too far. It's flat out insane for people to say that UCF - of the American - is a better job than Miami. Seriously, that's as crazy is anything anyone has ever said on this message board.

They have had a series pf setbacks since they expanded into the ACC and changes in the Athletic Department and even Golden was blindsided by the Money Scandal. It can be revived within 1 to 3 years as Top 25 Program and with always Top 10 potential. TV Money will make other Programs more competitive in the ACC as an added challenge, but they do have that Miami & Florida Recruiting connections and location whereby they need not recruit outside of Florida and still recruit in the Top 10 to 15 Rankings. The FSU-Miami-Florida-FSU GAMES WERE SOME OF THE BEST FOOTBALL I EVER WATCHED!

When they Reformed their Program after the NCAA Sanctions they made sure the "U" became a place where their early to leave Players for the NFL would be able to comeback and train at Miami after the season and earn their remaining college credits to graduate. It was another attraction to the Program.

After Donna Shalala took over and since the ACC expansion they lost Coker and never were the same Program. Yet, as you stated they can be revived with the Right Coach. Golden did not cut it! I was very surprised because I thought what he did at UVA as DC, and Temple as HC was very good!

They are letting the Athletic Director make his choice with approval of the President and Trustees, but it was the Athletic Director that had to power to pill the plug when he so wanted and he did it early to stop the bleeding.

It is a Good Job that requires some rebuilding on recruiting and developing them into Players and great Teams again, but they have the Tradition to revive it.

After that, they need much improvements on facilities. Scholarship funding and Rosters building beyond 105 to 110 players. They are $7 million in the hole this year. Much the same as Pitt was last year?

I loved following their Program and often posted on their Boards and learned much from their Posters. They always talked nicely about Pitt and Pittsburgers like Wannstedt and Marino! They were the Canes of pain as I called them, and I went there to compare Pitt Progress in 1999 to 2004 as a way to see how Pitt was progressing against the Elite Program & Team from 2000-2003 in the nation!

When they knocked off Penn State 33-0 something and some of th3ir Fans wearing Miami Jerseys from New York were thrown Beer Cans at them by the PSU Cultist they pretty much ban many of the PSU Trolls that went there calling them Criminals! FSU fans flamers were banned often as well, and Miami Posters called them the FSU Criminoles!

The Posters taught me much about the workings of their Program and I learned and shared it on the Lair many times, but often ignored. Pitt Played them tough often from 1998-2003 but they weer mostly always tougher.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Here is a better view with more about "The U" and how far it has dropped but how easily it can be back:
Article & Link:

Years from now, history books will define Al Golden’s tenure at Miami with one word: Underachievement.

Golden, the Hurricanes’ fifth-year head coach, was fired Sunday just one day removed from the worst loss in program history (58-0) against Clemson. Those who watched Miami lay an egg on Saturday knew the Golden Era was anything but golden. After four seasons in town, the coach needed to show “The U” was back in 2015. Instead, the Hurricanes are 4-3, and Golden failed to prove he had what it took to rebuild an historical power.

Golden’s dismissal is perhaps the darkest chapter of an otherwise bright coaching career. Prior landing at Miami before the 2011 season, Golden worked wonders in turning around a terrible Temple program. The Owls were so bad– they went 3-31 in the three years prior to his arrival–that they were kicked out of the then-Big East. But Golden won 17 games in his final two years in Philadelphia. In 2009 he claimed a division title with Temple’s first winning season (9-4) since 1990.


Miami Hurricanes fire head coach Al Golden

by SI Wire

Unfortunately for Miami fans, Golden’s penchant for program-building didn’t translate to the ACC. He compiled a pedestrian 32-25 record with the Hurricanes, a mark that includes a losing record (17-18) against ACC competition. Moreover, much of that conference record came in the weaker Coastal Division.

Golden drastically underachieved at Miami, but his tenure does deserve some context. He inherited a program plagued by NCAA troubles from the Nevin Shapiro scandal, which resulted in probation and a loss of scholarships. Despite walking into an unenviable situation, Golden managed to tie for the Coastal Division title in 2012, his second season in town. Miami withdrew from bowl consideration that year due to the ongoing NCAA inquiry. The next season, the Hurricanes shot out of the gate with a 7–0 record. Finally, Miami started to look like the program that had won five national titles since 1983.


But Golden failed to deliver on that momentum. Since beginning its 2013 season with a perfect record, Miami is 12–14 with two straight bowl losses.


Golden deserves credit for leading Miami out of troubled NCAA waters. But much more was expected from this program in the coach’s fifth season. This is a Miami team simply vying for bowl eligibility, and yet it houses so much more untapped potential. Perhaps most frustrating for Hurricanes fans, the program didn’t exactly recruit poorly under Golden: After the 2014 season it sent seven players to the NFL draft, but the team still finished with a 6-7 record. When a school posts more NFL-bound players in a season (seven) than wins (six), that’s usually not a good recipe.


Golden’s failure at Miami might not mean he’s a bad coach. After all, he still engineered magic at Temple. But it’s hard to argue that Golden didn’t drastically underachieve at Miami. South Florida remains one of the most fertile recruiting regions in America, and the Hurricanes’ program still boasts a rich tradition and history. “The U” once meant something in college football, a unique brand of swagger that worked wonders on the recruiting trail. It just didn’t work well enough under Golden.
No excuses—Miami needs to fire Al Golden after Clemson bludgeoning

by Andy Staples

That’s why Miami needs a coach who can take advantage of its brand. Luckily for the Hurricanes, a number of names could deliver on that potential. Justin Fuente has turned Memphis from a tire fire into a legitimate contender for a New Year’s Six bowl. Bowling Green’s Dino Babers is an Art Briles disciple who could make Miami’s offense very dangerous with the right in-state talent. Perhaps even Charlie Strong would leave a difficult period at Texas for a swing at Miami, where he could recruit the South Florida region he knew so well as an assistant at Florida.

Even more intriguing: Imagine the swagger Lane Kiffin would bring to Miami if the school overlooked his past NCAA troubles.


Miami Hurricanes football is a sleeping giant, and the right hire could galvanize the program and put pressure on Florida and Florida State in recruits’ living rooms. In fact, those two schools are probably more upset than anybody at Golden’s dismissal. The coach did less with more for nearly five seasons at Miami. Now the school has a chance to give someone else a shot at turning it back into “The U.”

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

[QUOTE="IF they were smart and truly committed, they would go after a RichRod, who's offense down here with the athletes available and that 3-3-5 defense would be perfect. And RichRod would demand facility upgrades immediately. Which means he won't come.[/QUOTE]

I've been telling people this same exact thing, except that he won't come. I think RichRod could think that the insane talent down there is enough to trump sparkling facilities and that he could get it done with what he has to work with. For the first time in his career he could also recruit a two deep of 300-pound linemen for his defense.

 

[prez41]

Conserve brain cells....ignore Finebaum

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Recruits, My wife is in academia. I spent a week down in Waco last year. Baylor cheats like crazy.

No doubt. I didn't say they didn't. My god, look at their basketball program.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

UNC, KANSAS and UCLA Basketball Programs were all built on multiple NCAA Violations and payments made to players by some Boosters over various Decades! It happens!

Let's be honest, there is a program close to us and near and dear to our hurts that scammed the systems as well as anyone and took us from nothing to National Champs and perennial contenders. Just like the U, just like SMU then, just like now a Baylor, a TCU, an Oregon, etc... You just have to, just to compete on the level with the Professional College Teams like tOSU, Alabama, Texas, USC, FSU, etc...

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Conserve brain cells....ignore Finebaum

I called him once after hearing his show on Sirius Radio during the Penn State Scandal and asked him if SEC would ever take Penn State if Penn State left Big Ten due to all the Sanctions.....he said why would SEC even consider that and would outright reject Penn State?

Finebaum went on acting like SEC has some kind of Moral Superiority as a Conference just like Penn Staters felt for many years and now only the dumb PSU Fans still think so, and Finebaum went off on that call in the entire Show as Penn Staters kept calling in being upset with him, and SEC Fans kept supporting him.

 

[quip]

Paul Finebaum is an SEC shill 24/7/365. He would say the same thing basically about Miami if the Canes had been 10-3 last year. Truth is not the issue - downgrading ACC teams, especially those in states shared with the SEC or in SEC border states, is the issue.

Finebaum fears that a new Miami coach could hurt the SEC a bit. If Narduzzi starts taking FL and GA players from SEC schools, Finebaum will start talking about how Pitt is a dead program with no future.

YOU NAILED IT! I've lived in SEC country and they always think that every other conference is vastly inferior.

 

[Jpripper88]

YOU NAILED IT! I've lived in SEC country and they always think that every other conference is vastly inferior.

They are in product, commitment, and fan enthusiasm. It isn't really close. The difference between LSU & Pitt in those categories is enormous.

 

[colingrant2]

If local talent is all that is needed to succeed, Rutgers would be in the CFB multiple years.

And I agree that the right coach will win at the U.

But going the college route ( Fuente, for example) does not seem to make sense to me if I am the AD at Miami. There is no "play for the glory of ole State "...no pageantry...no sellouts.....no tradition that dates back further than 1983.

If I am the AD....I want a coach from the NFL who made his bones in the college ranks but earns his paycheck on Sundays.

That coach could cut through the bullshite and tell those kids from Overtown and Liberty CIty that 3-4 years from now I will get you to the League.

That's the coach that can win big at Miami.

It's one thing for players to be in your area, and another to get them. Rarely, if ever has Rutgers' dominated there own state otherwise they'd have a top 20 college football all-time win ranking, as opposed to the United States just hearing about them after Schiano arrived. They were Temple before that and have never risen to any sustained success level since.There most notable achievement in there long tenured existence was merely getting accepted into the big 10, which of course was because of New York City, not Rutgers.They wanted New York and Rutgers was the asset that made it work.

In addition to Rutgers "Temple" like legacy, there recruiting under-achievements is similar to the University of Maryland who's never capitalized on the DC area population growth since it began in the early 80's. I believe Jersey is second to Louisiana in the number of NFL players per capita. Not positive, but there up there. PSU (during Paterno era) Notre Dame, and lately the SEC have traditionally cherry picked the state's best. Pitt had a run during the foge era.

Rutgers' legacy is summed up as having the run around 2007 when they beat a very highly ranked Louisville team on a Thursday night,.................Tony Soprano attending there games after success came.... ........ and the Big 10 invite. That's it!!!!!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

They are in product, commitment, and fan enthusiasm. It isn't really close. The difference between LSU & Pitt in those categories is enormous.

But not Higher Quality Players USC, ND, OSU, Michigan, and Pitt lead in that category. SEC usually puts the most Players in the NFL Draft but also produce more Busts!

 

[Jpripper88]

But not Higher Quality Players USC, ND, OSU, Michigan, and Pitt lead in that category. SEC usually puts the most Players in the NFL Draft but also produce more Busts!

Sigh...No. LSU has FAR more players in the NFL and plenty of 1st rounders and Pro Bowlers.

 

[paulbl99]

Since the move to the ACC starting in 2004:
9-3
9-3
7-6
5-7
7-6
9-4
7-6
6-6
7-5
9-4
6-7
4-3

No BCS Bowls. Looks pretty much like, well Pitt. Guys, arguing that Miami is such a great job right now is like arguing that Pitt was a great job in 1994. They have fallen way, way behind in the facilities and infrastructure needed to support a big time program. True, they are in a great recruiting area, but everyone recruits those kids.

That's a bingo...the U has been boat raced by the big State Unis and their tons and tons of dough
This ain't your daddy's U...THE 80s and early 90s are a long way past. And aside from maybe the single greatest recruiting job done by But h Davis over 3 years...it has basically been mediocre for a very long time....

Miami is not the great job some have made it out to be..

 

[NTOP]

Miami is one of the few schools that really doesn't need the sparkling new facilities or giant influx of money to succeed. There are many coaches out there who can go to Miami and bring in Top 10 classes every year.

I'm in no way suggesting Narduzzi is going to leave Pitt or is a candidate for the Miami job. I'm just throwing this hypothetical question out there for you... Do you think Narduzzi would sign a lot more talent at Miami or Pitt? Do you think the potential for winning is higher at Miami or Pitt?

That said, if the U can only pay $2 to $3 mil for a coach, then they probably aren't going to get a splash hire and they probably are going to have to deal with turnover. All that is fine too, as they are one of the few schools that can still thrive under those circumstances. Schnellenberger, JJ, Erickson, Davis, Coker had success there, although Coker is the one that let the program fall into the abyss.

No amount of money in the world can make Gainesville or Tallahassee Miami. That's also can't be stressed enough.

Duzz and South Beach??? Perfect, like Putin dating Mother Teresa.

 

[NTOP]

Let me also add that it is perfectly understandable for anyone to be a Miami hater.

In fact, if you're not from Miami, I think there's probably something wrong with you if you don't hate the Hurricanes.

They acted horrendously towards everyone else whenever they were on top and I don't think anyone should shed a tear for them now that they are taking their licks.

Personally, I can't get enough of it.

However, and their zeal to dance on their grave, people are taking things way too far. It's flat out insane for people to say that UCF - of the American - is a better job than Miami. Seriously, that's as crazy is anything anyone has ever said on this message board.

You must have Sean Miller Fan on "ignore". He puts that on the trailer every day.

 

[drunkinoakland]

Miami is the anamoly in college football. They don't need donations or attendance. They make a good hire, all the legends start hanging around again, and top 5 classes start flooring in again and actually winning.