Ped st lost Parsons too?
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I would actually prefer Parsons stick with the Peds. Seems like the type of kid that would tear down a program with his ego ala Pryor.
I think he ends up at FSU when it's all said and done,their coming on him now and he's going to visit
LOL. Classic response. Not Penn State material.
Could you imagine if Pitt had two kids decommit in 10 days or so, one of em being a top 10/5 star. The Pittsburgh media, especially 93.7 would be all over it like the sky was falling, but I haven't heard a peep of it anywhere. Although, I don't listen to 93.7 much anymore, so maybe they have, but I highly doubt it. My guess is they haven't even said it during an update.
Seriously, Pitt has an O.C. leave for triple the money and it was a three day story, and led into who Narduzzi was going to leave for and when. However, PSU has how many coaches leave prior to last season and nary a peep about it. This was/is Pitt's flagship station?!
Seriously, Pitt has an O.C. leave for triple the money and it was a three day story, and led into who Narduzzi was going to leave for and when. However, PSU has how many coaches leave prior to last season and nary a peep about it. This was/is Pitt's flagship station?!
Well, Pitt can't really say much about being criticized for coaches leaving and the media wondering when Narduzzi might do the same. Our recent track record is abysmal.
H2P, no doubt, but my point is if Pitt had 2 guys decommit it would be discussed ad nauseum. I truly believe the media's bias toward Pitt locally is a main reason the local guys lean to other schools.
But all schools lose assistant coaches, and like I said, PSU lost 4 in one year including a lifelong PSUer DC and Franklin was allegedly on the hot seat and there was not much said.
But all schools lose assistant coaches, and like I said, PSU lost 4 in one year including a lifelong PSUer DC and Franklin was allegedly on the hot seat and there was not much said.
True - but, the Peds also got commitments from 2 top 100ish recruits during the same timeframe of losing the 2 other recruits. Recruiting has never been Franklin's problem since he's been at PSU, it's been his knack for screwing up with bonehead in-game coaching decisions.
Also, just to note for our frequent Nitwit fans - he's 0-1 against PITT.
I cant fault a coach for telling a kid he can't commit and visit other schools.. On the flip side, I cant fault a kid for verballing either to lock up a ship and look around, fishing for a better offer. this "verbal" phenomena was created by recruiting fans and sites like this. in reality, it's nothing at all of substance for the kid or the coach.. not even a handshake agreement if you think about it, it's a verbal promise between two entities that are looking out for their best interests...
who cares. These current recruits won't have much of a impact on the series with PSU. I could care less how well they recruit/don't recruit unless its a kid that Pitt is also going hard for.
Penn State goes 12-0 and wins the Big Ten again, Parson's could be back with many other Recruits. On the other hand if the injury bug or other Coaches are prepared against Moorhead's Offense, and Nittany Lions go 8-4 or 7-5, more Recruits will jump PSU Ships.
Franklin is at his cross roads in the Big Ten now and it is either stay higher and take on Michigan and Ohio State. Or go back and losing more to them than beating them, following in the steps of what Paterno could not achieve even as he refused to obey Athletic Integrity Rules that Franklin follows obediently. It does not hurt his Win Record nor Recruiting that has been growing with the Penn State Resources he inherited from a Legacy of Ashes.
We shall see and why we all love CFB!
Franklin is at his cross roads in the Big Ten now and it is either stay higher and take on Michigan and Ohio State. Or go back and losing more to them than beating them, following in the steps of what Paterno could not achieve even as he refused to obey Athletic Integrity Rules that Franklin follows obediently. It does not hurt his Win Record nor Recruiting that has been growing with the Penn State Resources he inherited from a Legacy of Ashes.
We shall see and why we all love CFB!
I am friends with some people that have coached Parsons and if he wasn't the athletic freak that he is and just your average 4* many schools would already have passed on him. The coaches at PSU, OSU and FSU have concerns about him off the field and wonder if he can keep it together for a college career. I am not saying that PSU turned him away, they are still recruiting him and would gladly welcome him back but there are concerns.
Whispers and Rumors from unknown Friends sounds like a PnnyLine used often on Rivals and wishy washy as he is in his own life! Not saying it is you but sounds like him and loves to lie about other Recruits on BWI.
Parson is what everyone bragged about by BWI Blogger's boasted and now do post scripts how Parson has flaws and all as his Blue and White slips a bit to all of sudden not a great Fit for the Nits???
Pitt heard it before on McCoy when he all of sudden flipped to Pitt and then told he would Quit, but Shady made them look on with Nittany Lion Envy!
Let Parson's decide on his own and allow him to choose what is best for him and if he comes back to PSU you can comeback and say ain't he great?
Yep, but Sandusky, Chisley, and Curley were and you know what happen turn to State Penn Material!
Well, I still dislike them... so always good to see them losing top recruits.
huh??? Well... by that logic... IF i WAS an athletic freak and not just your average casual football fan many schools wouldnt have passed on me.
These pennst fans are so funny... I love it.
You gotta admire the delusion though, when we lose Cam Johnson, recruits and others, everyone wants to fire the coach, when the lose players, the player is a nut, no good, dumb, whatever...
True - but, the Peds also got commitments from 2 top 100ish recruits during the same timeframe of losing the 2 other recruits. Recruiting has never been Franklin's problem since he's been at PSU, it's been his knack for screwing up with bonehead in-game coaching decisions.
Also, just to note for our frequent Nitwit fans - he's 0-1 against PITT.
Franklin's recruiting class two years ago was garbage. It was like borderline top 25. He seems to have gotten things back on track, but he needs a strong Top 10 type class this year.
Here is the thing: people like Cook never said a word about a similar level of coaching changes at PSU. They had 4 coaches in a 26 months period, and would've had a fifth if they hadn't been banned from post-season play for the worst scandal in college sports history. Not a word.
While never mentioning "coaching instability" at PSU, Cook couldn't mention Pitt for a long time without adding "who has had 6 coaches in 2 years." While that was technically true, 3 of them never coached a single regular season game, and one never even coached a single practice.
Pitt had a stable coach in Wanny. He was here for 7 years and only left because he got fired, he didn't leave for a better gig. Then Petersen made an awful, bad fit mistake in Graham, who thankfully quit, and was replaced after one year by Chryst, who would still be here (we'd be worse off if he were) if his alma mater's job hadn't surprisingly opened. The rest is noise.
We don't have an administration and fanbase that is all in when it comes to recruiting.
"raleighpanther, post: 1882008, member: 4260"]Here is the thing: people like Cook never said a word about a similar level of coaching changes at PSU. They had 4 coaches in a 26 months period, and would've had a fifth if they hadn't been banned from post-season play for the worst scandal in college sports history. Not a word. While never mentioning "coaching instability" at PSU, Cook couldn't mention Pitt for a long time without adding "who has had 6 coaches in 2 years." While that was technically true, 3 of them never coached a single regular season game, and one never even coached a single practice.
Very good point and Cook seldom looks at details.
Pitt had a stable coach in Wanny. He was here for 7 years and only left because he got fired, he didn't leave for a better gig. Then Petersen made an awful, bad fit mistake in Graham, who thankfully quit, and was replaced after one year by Chryst, who would still be here (we'd be worse off if he were) if his alma mater's job hadn't surprisingly opened. The rest is noise.
Noise, great Word to use and very good post.
Very good point and Cook seldom looks at details.
Pitt had a stable coach in Wanny. He was here for 7 years and only left because he got fired, he didn't leave for a better gig. Then Petersen made an awful, bad fit mistake in Graham, who thankfully quit, and was replaced after one year by Chryst, who would still be here (we'd be worse off if he were) if his alma mater's job hadn't surprisingly opened. The rest is noise.
Noise, great Word to use and very good post.
It is going to take Great Coaching and rebuild the Program so long as the Administration does not make it worse. To be fair, Pitt Nordenberg did great in just getting Pitt back to winning in the Big East.
Nordenberg also did very good when Big East was under Expansion and Walt burned out and Wannstedt wanted to be back and Pederson and Howland couldn't wait to leave Pitt.
Upon Pederson's Return Nordenbrg had other goals and it was getting into the ACC and not propping up the Big East anymore due to BEC Catholic Basketball Schools unreliability and undesirability to expand when Miami wanted to too way back in 2000.
Pitt had to put up with the Coaching Musical around because few to none wanted to work with or under Pederson whose Reputation is even worse today. So, Haywood, Graham and Chryst were just Stepping Stone Coaches to get a FBS Gig with no commitment to Pitt.
Nordenberg did his job and Gallagher was smart enough to know Pederson had to go, and Narduzzi was sitting in the Shadows just wanting and waiting for the Pitt job, and his focus, determination, and commitment already has outlasted 2 AD's 2 OC's and 2 BB Coaches and I really think Coach Pat & Heather are here to stay at Pitt!
The Football Program is being rebuilt with Boosters returning, remembering, and a Coach and AD that wants stability at every level. This 3rd Year is the biggest Test than ever and another very tough Schedule, but the AD, Coaches, Staffers, Players and Recruits are committed to Pitt as well.
One can see the attitude changes on how they commit to Pitt in practice, film rooms, classrooms, and how they play the games and little to no off the field problems. The Media really jumped on Pitt Rebuilding Football in 1970s especially Nationally and it is positive again on Pitt except some locally?
Up to Pitt to keep it rolling and growing as Coach Pat & Staff, Players and Recruits do their part too!
We need stability at HC. And we need to be more committed to recruiting, and do whatever it takes to compete with other top schools. Stability with the rest of the staff isn't going to happen. That's just the nature of the business in 2017
Look there is no question the local media have tremendous bias. Some because they went to PSU or WVU or Syracuse etc. Others merely to follow the winds of popularity (as opposed to the more vile kind of wind Pitt passes).
The only solution ... And revenge ... is to win ... win often , significantly, decisively ... and cram it down their throats and other orifices. And this is actually what sports is mostly about. Some of that is the "be all you can be", character-building jazz for sure ... But face it, for most players (besides money, if applicable) it's the glory and one upping your opponent ... And for fans anyway, its mostly the quest to shut up the a-holes on the opposite side. That extends to the a-hole media.
The only solution ... And revenge ... is to win ... win often , significantly, decisively ... and cram it down their throats and other orifices. And this is actually what sports is mostly about. Some of that is the "be all you can be", character-building jazz for sure ... But face it, for most players (besides money, if applicable) it's the glory and one upping your opponent ... And for fans anyway, its mostly the quest to shut up the a-holes on the opposite side. That extends to the a-hole media.
There is no question Pittsburgh is more popular in Pittsburgh than Penn State is.
Obviously, as said abillion times, they get more fans because they have 90000 students vs. 25000 students. People can point to them being in a cow pasture, us not having an on-campus stadium, our script, wins and losses... it all comes down to the above. They have far more students and pumping out far more diplomas
Coach Pat can have Staff Stability but only for 3 years. Once a Teams starts to win in the Top 25 I agree, Staff Stability starts to dive as others grab some Coaches. I think Coach Pat wants it at OC & DC and can replace the rests as needed when some leave for bigger offers. I am also talking about Non-Coaches Recruiting Staffers within Pitt Program long ignored by Pederson & Barnes & Musical Chair Coaches known for Dancing their own Selfish Stepping Stone Two Stepping!
The Seeds of Coach Pat & Staff are there right now. Rebuilding the Athletic Department Football Program now must be the Goal as well.
Wait....you mean commitments 10 months before signing day can change? I thought classes sucked unless you got a bunch of early commits?
I think this is the key. They have had to much turnover to the point that local recruits just don't care because they believe if PN is successful he will leave as well. That's why PN has recruited very well outside of WPA but not so great in the WPA. Only thing thats going to change this is time and success. If PN can stack 3 or 4 more 8 to 10 win season then the local studs will consider Pitt more. Basically the well has been poisoned and nothing but time is going to fix it.
It's about time for a panicked post about Pitt's class.
Haha..Absolutely, people go bonkers over early commits on here and lack thereof... doesnt mean anything. We have had very solid classes, and I am sure Coach will continue getting more recruits.
I agree with another poster though, kids should go ahead and make a verbal, and then look around, at least they will have that verbal... unless its to Michigan, which then the coach may just revoke it.
So Pryor tore OSU down LOL? Give your car keys to the bartender and Uber home. Thank me tomorrow.
I get what you're sayin but in fairness PSU still has a top 10 class going. They're ranked 2nd before these two changed their verbals. So now they're top 10 or so. Wish we had their problem with recruiting. Can't stand Franklin but he's killing it.
If you liked Narduzzi's 2016 and 2017 classes, just remember that we had very few verbal commitments at this time of year in each of those years. So while you may hope for early commitments, its silly to think we are struggling because of the current lack of commitments. How many years worth of good recruiting classes, with few early commitments, will it take to make the early worry go away?
