Pederson's stupid scheduling

[Sean Miller Fan]

#1 If you must play a 1AA program, why would you schedule one of the traditionally stronger programs from right up the road with a ton of jaded Western PA kids? Its a no-win situation. Why not open against a crappy NEC team like Syracuse has been smart enough to play and smoke......like heck, Duquesne or Robert Morris. YSU is closer to a Toledo or Virginia. Duq and RMU are closer to Slippery Rock or Clarion. Play frickin Duquesne, win 67-0, get the starters out at halftime and everyone goes home happy.

#2 Oklahoma State is possibly the worst program you can schedule for a few reasons. Its 2 probable losses because its a Top 20 program but beyond that, they are far from a "name" program. Even though they could make the CFP this year, they don't move the needle at all locally and theu won't travel more than a couple thousand fans. Attendance will be 45K, the same as it would be for a win over Illinois, Purdue, or Maryland for example.

So, in the future, no more good 1AA programs. Play a team from the NEC, Patriot, or MEAC. And unless you can bring in a blue blood, bring in a P5 program that you SHOULD beat.

 

[crosbymalkin8771]

The Bo Pelini factor too... that dude wasn't messing around. You just know he was gonna go for 2 had they scored in OT, thank god for that pick.

 

[PantherFan412]

Are you seriously complaining about a home game against a top 10 opponent? You'd genuinely rather play Illinois?

Let me guess: you're not a season ticket holde.

 

[bwh05]

The OSU game is dumb to schedule with PSU in the same year. The staff at the time wasn't happy with SP when he scheduled it.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Look at all the great games going on this afternoon and evening. Not that they are the norm, but there are enough of them to prove that plenty of P5 programs aren't gutless cowards and schedule nothing but rinky-dinks during Week 1 and other OOC games. I commend those programs and their confident administrations. It proves they are willing to put their money AND their mouth in the same place, or ... or something...

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Are you seriously complaining about a home game against a top 10 opponent? You'd genuinely rather play Illinois?

Let me guess: you're not a season ticket holde.

I am a season ticket holder. Personally, I'd rather play OKST, but we are going to lose. Its better for your program to beat Illinois than to lose to OKST.

 

[revampedpanthers]

The OSU game is dumb to schedule with PSU. The staff at the time wasn't happy with SP when he scheduled it.

Agree it wasn't smart scheduling. AT least with TN they will bring fans, they are more of a name even if they aren't as good. But Pitt should be scheduling a marque game(psu,nd,wvu or national power) and either a average regional program(MD,RU) or a bad BCS program to go along with two patsies. Basically when Pitt has a average team we should be 3-1 OOC.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Ahhh...that is the reason. I see. Not that Pitt sucks, but scheduling.

 

[PantherFan412]

I am a season ticket holder. Personally, I'd rather play OKST, but we are going to lose. Its better for your program to beat Illinois than to lose to OKST.

1. You're understating the difference in attendance between a top-10 OSU team and a bottom feeder B1G team.

2. If a loss against OSU is what keeps us out of a bowl, so be it. That means we suck anyway.

3. We can beat OSU at home. A loss is not guaranteed, no matter how bad we looked today.

4. Only small time programs pack their schedules with crap opposition to get to six wins.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

I would argue this schedule was a half assed attempt at sabotaging Paul Chryst. There aren't a lot of schools scheduling two top level P5 teams back to back weeks in their OOC. Reminds me of that sillly season that Syracuse played, like, Auburn, North Carolina and Tennessee in the same season.

 

[DiehardPanther]

I would argue this schedule was a half assed attempt at sabotaging Paul Chryst. There aren't a lot of schools scheduling two top level P5 teams back to back weeks in their OOC. Reminds me of that sillly season that Syracuse played, like, Auburn, North Carolina and Tennessee in the same season.

You do realize PS and OS were not Top 20 teams at the time. Right?

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

If there's any lesson here, it's that scheduling ANY FCS teams is retarded. Whether the best one or the worst one. No upside to them. Terrible crowds. Mocking media. Players can't get motivated for them. Beating up on them makes you look like a-holes. Barely beating them exposes you as a bad team. LOSING to them, you should just slit your throat.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

If there's any lesson here, it's that scheduling ANY FCS teams is retarded. Whether the best one or the worst one. No upside to them. Terrible crowds. Mocking media. Players can't get motivated for them. Beating up on them makes you look like a-holes. Barely beating them exposes you as a bad team. LOSING to them, you should just slit your throat.

James Madison destroyed ecu. I agree there is no reason to play a good FCS team. They play with a chip on their shoulder.

Interesting that one of the top ysu guys was the son of a prominent Pitt booster. The one who have us chryst

 

[CorsosRevenge]

You do realize PS and OS were not Top 20 teams at the time. Right?

Are you shitting me? This series with okie state was announced in 2013, same year they went 10-3 and to the cotton bowl. Two years prior they finished third in the final poll.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I am a season ticket holder. Personally, I'd rather play OKST, but we are going to lose. Its better for your program to beat Illinois than to lose to OKST.

1. You're understating the difference in attendance between a top-10 OSU team and a bottom feeder B1G team.

2. If a loss against OSU is what keeps us out of a bowl, so be it. That means we suck anyway.

3. We can beat OSU at home. A loss is not guaranteed, no matter how bad we looked today.

4. Only small time programs pack their schedules with crap opposition to get to six wins.

I would venture to say that Oklahoma State being on the schedule instead of Illinois for example allowed us to sell maybe, maybe 500 extra season or single game tickets. Perhaps actual buts in seats would be a difference of a few thousand but very few casual Yinzers will show up to watch Pitt play OKST. It'll be the usuals plus some OKST fans and a few more students

 

[DiehardPanther]

Are you shitting me? This series with okie state was announced in 2013, same year they went 10-3 and to the cotton bowl. Two years prior they finished third in the final poll.

The predicament for the Pitt AD is fans complain that they do play good opponents at home, and when they do sign on to play good opponents they complain they are too difficult. It is a no win situation. PS was supposed to have a consequence for covering up the biggest scandal, but that got waived, and IMO Okie St is outside the Top 20 as a program. I do agree they have had some good years.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

I'll say this, I don't want to see FCS games or MAC or other lower level FBS. I'd like em to all be P5 schools. But given that, anything short of a few elite FBS like Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Texas, etc, we may as well play Illinois or something like it, instead of a really good P5 school that isn't going to stir the juices...and OKST definitely doesn't stir any juices around here. Nobody is going to give us any kudos for playing OKST, win or lose.

I certainly realize that this is a moving target ... would you call Iowa State a cake P5 or a tough P5? Etc. And easier said than done, but not as difficult as some proclaim it to be. The ADs make a ton of money, they should be up to challenging tasks like this.

 

[bwh05]

I would argue this schedule was a half assed attempt at sabotaging Paul Chryst. There aren't a lot of schools scheduling two top level P5 teams back to back weeks in their OOC. Reminds me of that sillly season that Syracuse played, like, Auburn, North Carolina and Tennessee in the same season.

The coaching staff at the time felt this way too.

 

[OriginalEther]

Agree it wasn't smart scheduling. AT least with TN they will bring fans, C.

Why do Pitt fans think having fans of the opposition fill the stadium, cheering AGAINST Pitt, is a good thing?

One of the stranger quirks this board has, and that's saying something.

 

[OriginalEther]

The predicament for the Pitt AD is fans complain that they do play good opponents at home, and when they do sign on to play good opponents they complain they are too difficult. It is a no win situation. PS was supposed to have a consequence for covering up the biggest scandal, but that got waived, and IMO Okie St is outside the Top 20 as a program. I do agree they have had some good years.

I think there's about ten programs that Pitt fans deem acceptable as opponents. Every other program is an abhorrent choice that the AD should have never even considered, much less actually scheduled.

 

[paulbl99]

The Bo Pelini factor too... that dude wasn't messing around. You just know he was gonna go for 2 had they scored in OT, thank god for that pick.

He's a whack job but he can coach.
Had a couple go - no go situations and it was go.!!

Didn't think of him going for 2 had they scored, which is probably spot on.

Lucked out bigly yesterday....
Once on that roughing call and the Y QB who was decent , suddenly forgot the uniform colors of his team.
He threw a lollipop into an area w nothing but blue.

 

[VeroBeachPanther]

#1 If you must play a 1AA program, why would you schedule one of the traditionally stronger programs from right up the road with a ton of jaded Western PA kids? Its a no-win situation. Why not open against a crappy NEC team like Syracuse has been smart enough to play and smoke......like heck, Duquesne or Robert Morris. YSU is closer to a Toledo or Virginia. Duq and RMU are closer to Slippery Rock or Clarion. Play frickin Duquesne, win 67-0, get the starters out at halftime and everyone goes home happy.

#2 Oklahoma State is possibly the worst program you can schedule for a few reasons. Its 2 probable losses because its a Top 20 program but beyond that, they are far from a "name" program. Even though they could make the CFP this year, they don't move the needle at all locally and theu won't travel more than a couple thousand fans. Attendance will be 45K, the same as it would be for a win over Illinois, Purdue, or Maryland for example.

So, in the future, no more good 1AA programs. Play a team from the NEC, Patriot, or MEAC. And unless you can bring in a blue blood, bring in a P5 program that you SHOULD beat.

OSU game will bring in TV eyeballs and a chance to shock the world

 

[pbrad]

I am a season ticket holder. Personally, I'd rather play OKST, but we are going to lose. Its better for your program to beat Illinois than to lose to OKST.

And you are positive we would beat Illinois!

 

[upj87]

#1 If you must play a 1AA program, why would you schedule one of the traditionally stronger programs from right up the road with a ton of jaded Western PA kids? Its a no-win situation. Why not open against a crappy NEC team like Syracuse has been smart enough to play and smoke......like heck, Duquesne or Robert Morris. YSU is closer to a Toledo or Virginia. Duq and RMU are closer to Slippery Rock or Clarion. Play frickin Duquesne, win 67-0, get the starters out at halftime and everyone goes home happy.

#2 Oklahoma State is possibly the worst program you can schedule for a few reasons. Its 2 probable losses because its a Top 20 program but beyond that, they are far from a "name" program. Even though they could make the CFP this year, they don't move the needle at all locally and theu won't travel more than a couple thousand fans. Attendance will be 45K, the same as it would be for a win over Illinois, Purdue, or Maryland for example.

So, in the future, no more good 1AA programs. Play a team from the NEC, Patriot, or MEAC. And unless you can bring in a blue blood, bring in a P5 program that you SHOULD beat.

I wonder if Hugh Green and Rickey Jackson are sitting around somewhere reading this while sipping a sweet tea just laughing their asses off at the shear level of the pussyness displayed in this post....now back to checking soccer scores for you.

 

[TD_istheman]

And you are positive we would beat Illinois!

I was thinking we are Illinois

 

[TD_istheman]

I wonder if Hugh Green and Rickey Jackson are sitting around somewhere reading this while sipping a sweet tea just laughing their asses off at the shear level of the pussyness displayed in this post....now back to checking soccer scores for you.

They are probably disgusted at the administrations at Pitt to he honest, and what the last few leaders , clowns , did to the program!

 

[oldharry]

I am a season ticket holder. Personally, I'd rather play OKST, but we are going to lose. Its better for your program to beat Illinois than to lose to OKST.

You may or may not be season ticket holder but you are obviously not a fan.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

#1 If you must play a 1AA program, why would you schedule one of the traditionally stronger programs from right up the road with a ton of jaded Western PA kids? Its a no-win situation. Why not open against a crappy NEC team like Syracuse has been smart enough to play and smoke......like heck, Duquesne or Robert Morris. YSU is closer to a Toledo or Virginia. Duq and RMU are closer to Slippery Rock or Clarion. Play frickin Duquesne, win 67-0, get the starters out at halftime and everyone goes home happy.

#2 Oklahoma State is possibly the worst program you can schedule for a few reasons. Its 2 probable losses because its a Top 20 program but beyond that, they are far from a "name" program. Even though they could make the CFP this year, they don't move the needle at all locally and theu won't travel more than a couple thousand fans. Attendance will be 45K, the same as it would be for a win over Illinois, Purdue, or Maryland for example.

So, in the future, no more good 1AA programs. Play a team from the NEC, Patriot, or MEAC. And unless you can bring in a blue blood, bring in a P5 program that you SHOULD beat.

I wonder if Hugh Green and Rickey Jackson are sitting around somewhere reading this while sipping a sweet tea just laughing their asses off at the shear level of the pussyness displayed in this post....now back to checking soccer scores for you.

Have you watched Pitt the last 30 years?

 

[kma0043]

Play a lower tier Power 5 school, then PSU, WVU, ND every year to complete out of conf schedule, then the ACC. That'll produce an atmosphere and attention that recruits will at least take into consideration.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Play a lower tier Power 5 school, then PSU, WVU, ND every year to complete out of conf schedule, then the ACC. That'll produce an atmosphere and attention that recruits will at least take into consideration.

WVU is the only one among those that is feasible to control. So by definition that would be the answer. As I mentioned above, treading the fine line of how "lower" you want to get with the lower P5 school (and if they are willing to play ball) is a challenge, but what the AD gets paid millions for. Make it work somehow dude, or dudette, in this latest case.

 

[upj87]

Have you watched Pitt the last 30 years?

so the past thirty years of watching Pitt means I should be a pajama boy and whine about scheduling youngstown freaking state? ! hahahaha. If I ever get to that point I will quit watching Pitt football and indeed revel in nil nil barnburners involving Manchester and Barcelona United.....

 

[TD_6082]

I would argue this schedule was a half assed attempt at sabotaging Paul Chryst. There aren't a lot of schools scheduling two top level P5 teams back to back weeks in their OOC. Reminds me of that sillly season that Syracuse played, like, Auburn, North Carolina and Tennessee in the same season.

OK State is a program that we should be able to hang with. Everybody thought PSU would suck for 6 to 8 years. This schedule isn't unreasonable.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

OK State is a program that we should be able to hang with. Everybody thought PSU would suck for 6 to 8 years. This schedule isn't unreasonable.

No opponent should be off limits for being "too tough". This is (another flavor) of pro football. These are all men geting compensation in some form for playing a sport. Down in the pits, it's dog eat dog. It's kill or be killed. Fear? That's the other man's problem.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Play a lower tier Power 5 school, then PSU, WVU, ND every year to complete out of conf schedule, then the ACC. That'll produce an atmosphere and attention that recruits will at least take into consideration.

Yes.

Here's my schedule

1. Terrible 1AA program either from NEC, MEAC, or Patriot

2. Bad G5 program

3. PSU, WVU, or ND

4. Lower-tier P5 program.....or a blue blood like OSU, Mich, Fla, Ten, UGa, Bama, Aub, LSU, Texas, OU, Oregon, USC. If we have to lose a game like this, might as well lose it to a big-time program which moves the needle locally.

Teams to never schedule:
Utah
Mich St
OKST
Iowa
Oregon State
Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Nebraska
etc

Teams to schedule:
Maryland
Rutgers
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Vanderbilt
Iowa State

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Yes.

Here's my schedule

1. Terrible 1AA program either from NEC, MEAC, or Patriot

2. Bad G5 program

3. PSU, WVU, or ND

4. Lower-tier P5 program.....or a blue blood like OSU, Mich, Fla, Ten, UGa, Bama, Aub, LSU, Texas, OU, Oregon, USC. If we have to lose a game like this, might as well lose it to a big-time program which moves the needle locally.

Teams to never schedule:
Utah
Mich St
OKST
Iowa
Oregon State
Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Nebraska
etc

Teams to schedule:
Maryland
Rutgers
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Vanderbilt
Iowa State

This is pretty good summary, actually. We should forward to Heather. I think she's still AD as of this hour...

It would appear possibly a challenge to get the "Teams to Schedule" P5 teams at first glance, until you figure each of them should have US on the same list when pondering their own scheduling...

Git er done, Heather

 

[OriginalEther]

Play a lower tier Power 5 school, then PSU, WVU, ND every year to complete out of conf schedule, then the ACC. That'll produce an atmosphere and attention that recruits will at least take into consideration.

They may notice it, but likely not in a good way.

They'll see a crowd that doesn't show up for a lot of games, including the lower bcs team.
But, they'll see one that appears for those three programs, mainly because those teams bring a bunch of their fans.
That's not a good thing.

 

[OriginalEther]

OK State is a program that we should be able to hang with. Everybody thought PSU would suck for 6 to 8 years. This schedule isn't unreasonable.

This, and I think a lot of people didn't think the ACC Coastal would be so competitive.

 

[OriginalEther]

Yes.

Here's my schedule

1. Terrible 1AA program either from NEC, MEAC, or Patriot

2. Bad G5 program

3. PSU, WVU, or ND

4. Lower-tier P5 program.....or a blue blood like OSU, Mich, Fla, Ten, UGa, Bama, Aub, LSU, Texas, OU, Oregon, USC. If we have to lose a game like this, might as well lose it to a big-time program which moves the needle locally.

Teams to never schedule:
Utah
Mich St
OKST
Iowa
Oregon State
Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Nebraska
etc

Teams to schedule:
Maryland
Rutgers
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Vanderbilt
Iowa State

I doubt those seven or so teams on your play list are really chomping at the bit to play Pitt.
Takes two to tango.
Plus, didn't Pitt lose last year to Northwestern? I don't recall that game doing Pitt any favors.

 

[DiehardPanther]

I'll say this, I don't want to see FCS games or MAC or other lower level FBS. I'd like em to all be P5 schools. But given that, anything short of a few elite FBS like Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Texas, etc, we may as well play Illinois or something like it, instead of a really good P5 school that isn't going to stir the juices...and OKST definitely doesn't stir any juices around here. Nobody is going to give us any kudos for playing OKST, win or lose.

I certainly realize that this is a moving target ... would you call Iowa State a cake P5 or a tough P5? Etc. And easier said than done, but not as difficult as some proclaim it to be. The ADs make a ton of money, they should be up to challenging tasks like this.

Play a lower tier Power 5 school, then PSU, WVU, ND every year to complete out of conf schedule, then the ACC. That'll produce an atmosphere and attention that recruits will at least take into consideration.

It takes two schools to agree to play. WV is the only school that it would be possible.