Penn State Imitates Pitt In The End With Lesser Schedule!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Looks like Penn State imitated Pitt but with far less competition against MAC, AAC, and Big Pretend Cupcakes Teams losing in the last minute by not being able to stop USC and with PSU DB's (Not Turning Their Heads) caught with 2 Pass Interference as USC scored in the last minute, in a High Scoring Game.

Penn State had the big lead and lost it much as Pitt did against UNC but has the more establish Program with far more Resources along with WVU so Pitt is holding there own has it rebuilds the Program.

Gesicki like Orndoff missed the Late Pass and Godwin made the same mistake Hamilton did against Pitt near the end with McSorley throwing another Interception. Losing by 3 to USC much as Pitt lost to UNC, VT, OKSU, & NU away versus PSU at Home luck wins against Temple, OSU, Minnesota, and then away at Indiana, and Wisky after being behind most of those games.

Again, Pitt beat Tougher Higher Ranked Competition all year long and against far better ACC Competition compared to now established overrated Big Ten Cupcakes. Not much difference between Pitt 8-5, Penn State 11-3, or Wvu 10-3 this year.

McSorley had a Great Year and it will be seen how other Teams including Pitt can defend against him in 2017. Great Season for all 3 Teams but Pitt played the tougher schedule competition and beat the only Program in the NCS Game playing on 9th!

Good to see PSU fans now know what it like to play great and then lose by just a tad and then have to admit, it happen to Pitt too? Like I said all year long not much difference between the 3 Teams, except WVU could not come close in beating a Ranked Team.

 

[Farnox]

McSorley has been getting away with chucking the ball downfield and letting his receivers make plays. On PSU's last drive his luck finally ran out.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

McSorley has been getting away with chucking the ball downfield and letting his receivers make plays. On PSU's last drive his luck finally ran out.

Pitt with a new OC, QB, and TE will have their work cut out to play and beat PSU in 2017 at Beaver. Good to see PSU back in the Top Rankings they should be a Top 5 Early Team Pick!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

McSorley just did it so often I can't figure out if he is Lucky or just Good, or other Teams did not adjust to him like PITT, MICHIGAN and USC? We will see next year?

He only beat weak AAC, MAC, and Big Ten Teams and often with the help of the Defense unlike Pitt that just an Offense in 2016.

Again, the Lions had a great season like WVU but play less competition as proven in the Bowls.

Interesting I had a Debate with a Lion Fan earlier in the year that kept saying he preferred Close Wins over Close Losses but now on BWI they brag about Close Losses are better than Close Wins when playing Top Competition? Guess he had a Pitt Awakening?

 

[sappycrease]

Not sure you can call the kid lucky - he won 11 games and the conference championship. The guy that deserves the blame for PSU is the offensive coordinator, he played conservative down the stretch and USC's QB made them pay. That kid was outstanding. His performance reminded me of Aaron Rodgers in the 2011 Super Bowl vs. the Steelers. Great movement/athleticism in the pocket, cannon of an arm, and sniper-like accuracy.

I was once a non-believer in the Brown transfer, but after seeing the kid who stole his job I can now see why he was benched.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Sappycrease, post: 1746581, member: 20483"]Not sure you can call the kid lucky - he won 11 games and the conference championship.
Well, caught between Farnox comments and also agreeing with your own, and we shall see what happens in 2017? I admire "Trace The Ace" season and performance very much, but he did not win all those 11 games. Penn State's Defense came through and against inferior competition in a number of those wins. Farnox has a point too that cannot be discounted in totality.

The guy that deserves the blame for PSU is the offensive coordinator, he played conservative down the stretch and USC's QB made them pay.
Partly true but I guess you can't credit both Trace for Winning 11 Games and then blaming the OC on losing 3 of them too. To augment further with respecting your views Farnox is right to say some of those Passes were caught by Wideout's Great Catches and some Luck to be fair. Just like some Pitt Bounces that went Pitt's way in 2016, like the Orndoff catch on the run that bounced into his hands.

As well as, "Trace The Ace" 2 great istakes when all of sudden the game was on line the throws were way off and ended in Interceptions. Those were not the OC's fault but bad throws and not just 1 or 2 but more? The truth is in between with mixed analysis going both ways, to be fair, and not saying you are wrong either, just not all Trace's 11 games wins were right?

That kid was outstanding.
Yes, I loved watching him scramble, get hit and comeback, and make throws more than wrong ones, no disagreeing.

Still, other factors were all not "Trace The Ace" 11 Wins....Ohio State was won on a Blocked Punt TD not a Trace TD. Indiana was won on PSU Defense stopping and scoring last 6 minutes of Indiana, Minnesota was won in OT by Barkley, Temple was won on Temple's OT going Off Sides each 3 Temple's TDS were called back late in the game? It did not take much to beat 3 Wins Purdue, MSU, and 2 Win Rutgers coming from behind either. Iowa was the only game won by Penn State from start to finish.

Pitt was not won by "Trace The Ace" Wideout drops with Interception, and USC was lost by last minute bad throw Interceptions & Wideouts poor Routes and all lost the Michigan blowout? Wisky and some other wins were bobble catches by the Wideouts and so be it, Trace gets that credit by the OC calls.

His performance reminded me of Aaron Rodgers in the 2011 Super Bowl vs. the Steelers.
Aaron won that game Trace did not and Steeler's Mendenhall fumbled that game away as well more than Aaron just winning it?

Great movement/athleticism in the pocket, cannon of an arm, and sniper-like accuracy.
Agree with first two, but not 11 Wins and not Sniper-Like Accuracy, and not won by just QB in all 11 games? The Truth lies in between and we shall see in 2017.

Love Trace's Confidence but Pitt had the better OC & Offense by far all year long without a Defense and I watched both games closely and credit both. But PSU had 27 Four & five Star Players Pitt just had 16 and played far better competition?

I was once a non-believer in the Brown transfer, but after seeing the kid who stole his job I can now see why he was benched.
I am not, and just a doubter until i see it. I was at the BAMA-USC Game in Arlington and Max looked like a "Deer in the Head Lights" but BAMA Defense played a Big Role in that too. It was repeated in Stanford and Utah and plain out Out Coaching by Helton Brothers. Yet, once Sam took over they won 9 straight! I can wait on Max too, like Peterman, a change of scene can do wonders with a better OC. Helton's Brother is the QB coach that made that change but after losing 3 games? This speaks of your other point above.

Sam played a big role all season long much like Peterman for Pitt until Miami and then knocked out in NU? Unlike "Trace The Ace" that had much help from PSU Wide puts, Defense, and cost 3 games?

Penn State is bringing in a Ton of Talent too in 2017 with Coach in his 6th Year and Program loaded with Resources and has some lined up in 2018 already too. Pitt has the coaching too but just in his second year, and is still rebuilding a Program and against far tougher competition on the schedule this and last year?

Penn State is all back and Pitt has to rebuild with new OC, QB, and TE and develop execution on Defense, Pitt's OC, QB, and Offense was far better than Penn State and more consistent too all season long until Nate got knocked out.

We shall see how Penn State does in case that happens to "Trace the Ace" and can he do it again in 2017? OSU, MSU, NU is all back, Nebraska added, Michigan rebuilding and Pitt and Iowa with new QBs. They might not be the Big Pretend in 2017 like they were in 2016 but then maybe they will be again? Akron, Georgia State and Indiana have New Head Coaches, and no one is expecting much from Maryland and Rutgers again. Everyone will be expecting a 10-2, 11-1 or 12-0 Penn State in 2017?

USC Sam Darnold will prove to be again better in my view and against far better competition in Texas, Notre Dame, and Western Michigan, along with Arizona, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, Utah, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Washington State.

Good post and comments, we shall see in 2017?

 

[Chescat]

McSorley just did it so often I can't figure out if he is Lucky or just Good, or other Teams did not adjust to him like PITT, MICHIGAN and USC? We will see next year?

He only beat weak AAC, MAC, and Big Ten Teams and often with the help of the Defense unlike Pitt that just an Offense in 2016.

Again, the Lions had a great season like WVU but play less competition as proven in the Bowls.

Interesting I had a Debate with a Lion Fan earlier in the year that kept saying he preferred Close Wins over Close Losses but now on BWI they brag about Close Losses are better than Close Wins when playing Top Competition? Guess he had a Pitt Awakening?

He brought his team from behind so often, I'd hardly call it luck. Those interceptions last night....
the first was on the receiver, he didn't complete his route after ball was in the air. The other two
definitely were on McSorley but the OC shoulda had them sitting on the ball and not going for broke (hinsight is always 20-20 LOL). Look, I can't stand the Nitwits as much as anyone, but what I saw from these comebacks was not IMO, luck. This kid, much as I hate to admit it, is a clearcut winner. I wish we had him. As far as seeing about "next year"....my guess is they'll be better,
and will be playing with a chip on their shoulder feeling they were snubbed with the playoff
situation. Now can we beat them next year?....sure, but it will be a major upset. They won't
make like it's an unimportant game, and Franklin will definitely treat it differently. Given
their talent coming back, their redshirts and recruits (many 4 stars) we're gonna have our work cut out.
As you said, they imitated Pitt at the end of this game...I agree.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Chescat, post: 1747483, member: 176"]He brought his team from behind so often, I'd hardly call it luck.
Really, did he block that OSU Kick and score? Did he go Off-Sides 3 times taking away Temple's Winning TD? Did he stop Indiana's Drives & Fumbles late in the game? Did he run in the OT TD in Minnesota? You are not giving PSU Defense much credit and they stiffen and got Turnovers in those comebacks.

Those interceptions last night....the first was on the receiver, he didn't complete his route after ball was in the air.
Agree, but his Widouts also caught great Balls far off the mark and they were big part of the comebacks against OSU, Wisky, and almost every game as well. Farnox has a point too you have to see from another view too?

The other two definitely were on McSorley but the OC shoulda had them sitting on the ball and not going for broke (hinsight is always 20-20 LOL).
The game was not lost there, Penn State still had the lead. It was lost on the badly thrown Interceptions and Wideouts were deep downfield ready to catch them, but bad throws? The OC is not throw them? You are buying into PSU Fans excuses and not accepting close wins and losses on PSU all season long, but with 11 Wins the Dummies on BWI can't see their own arrogant luck more than skills from one Inconsistent QB?

Look, I can't stand the Nitwits as much as anyone, but what I saw from these comebacks was not IMO, luck.
Well, you have to explain the above games with the specifics I mentioned above and can't just excuse them away either by saying not luck, Farnox made a good point?

This kid, much as I hate to admit it, is a clearcut winner. I wish we had him.
No one said otherwise but was he as good as Peterman and Darnold in 2016? I think Pitt & USC Wins were better with them than Trace?

As far as seeing about "next year"....my guess is they'll be better, and will be playing with a chip on their shoulder feeling they were snubbed with the playoff
situation.
I agree, no question he should be and with all Teammates back too. So what are predicting they will end up in 2017?

Now can we beat them next year?....sure, but it will be a major upset.
Agree again, Pitt will have an upward challenge in just it's second game at Beaver Away and New QB, and TE and Defense needs much improvements! And no one knows even the OC right now? Penn state will have the better talent again as far recruiting. Experience too!

They won't make like it's an unimportant game, and Franklin will definitely treat it differently.
True, Franklin does learn by his mistakes and has had to calm down and go back on his prior antics as seen this year.

Given their talent coming back, their redshirts and recruits (many 4 stars) we're gonna have our work cut out.
I said that above too and in other posts agree again.

As you said, they imitated Pitt at the end of this game...I agree.
Like I said above, Farnox made some good comments and Sappycrease too and one never knows how it will all go like when Peterman got knocked out, and we shall see?

Now a question for you....if Trace is knocked out next year, how many games will PSU win then? Again, I love how "Trace The Ace" runs Morehead's Offense and he made great calls all season long against an overrated Big Ten, but if you think Big Ten Coaches and Teams will not prepare for him better in 2017 then 2016, think again?

Good Post but Close Wins and Close Losses is what Penn State and Pitt did all year long and Pitt did it against better competition.

 

[Chescat]

Chescat, post: 1747483, member: 176"]He brought his team from behind so often, I'd hardly call it luck.
Really, did he block that OSU Kick and score? Did he go Off-Sides 3 times taking away Temple's Winning TD? Did he stop Indiana's Drives & Fumbles late in the game? Did he run in the OT TD in Minnesota? You are not giving PSU Defense much credit and they stiffen and got Turnovers in those comebacks.

Those interceptions last night....the first was on the receiver, he didn't complete his route after ball was in the air.
Agree, but his Widouts also caught great Balls far off the mark and they were big part of the comebacks against OSU, Wisky, and almost every game as well. Farnox has a point too you have to see from another view too?

The other two definitely were on McSorley but the OC shoulda had them sitting on the ball and not going for broke (hinsight is always 20-20 LOL).
The game was not lost there, Penn State still had the lead. It was lost on the badly thrown Interceptions and Wideouts were deep downfield ready to catch them, but bad throws? The OC is not throw them? You are buying into PSU Fans excuses and not accepting close wins and losses on PSU all season long, but with 11 Wins the Dummies on BWI can't see their own arrogant luck more than skills from one Inconsistent QB?

Look, I can't stand the Nitwits as much as anyone, but what I saw from these comebacks was not IMO, luck.
Well, you have to explain the above games with the specifics I mentioned above and can't just excuse them away either by saying not luck, Farnox made a good point?

This kid, much as I hate to admit it, is a clearcut winner. I wish we had him.
No one said otherwise but was he as good as Peterman and Darnold in 2016? I think Pitt & USC Wins were better with them than Trace?

As far as seeing about "next year"....my guess is they'll be better, and will be playing with a chip on their shoulder feeling they were snubbed with the playoff
situation.
I agree, no question he should be and with all Teammates back too. So what are predicting they will end up in 2017?

Now can we beat them next year?....sure, but it will be a major upset.
Agree again, Pitt will have an upward challenge in just it's second game at Beaver Away and New QB, and TE and Defense needs much improvements! And no one knows even the OC right now? Penn state will have the better talent again as far recruiting. Experience too!

They won't make like it's an unimportant game, and Franklin will definitely treat it differently.
True, Franklin does learn by his mistakes and has had to calm down and go back on his prior antics as seen this year.

Given their talent coming back, their redshirts and recruits (many 4 stars) we're gonna have our work cut out.
I said that above too and in other posts agree again.

As you said, they imitated Pitt at the end of this game...I agree.
Like I said above, Farnox made some good comments and Sappycrease too and one never knows how it will all go like when Peterman got knocked out, and we shall see?

Now a question for you....if Trace is knocked out next year, how many games will PSU win then? Again, I love how "Trace The Ace" runs Morehead's Offense and he made great calls all season long against an overrated Big Ten, but if you think Big Ten Coaches and Teams will not prepare for him better in 2017 then 2016, think again?

Good Post but Close Wins and Close Losses is what Penn State and Pitt did all year long and Pitt did it against better competition.

Well since you asked....IMO even if he's knocked out they're gonna win. Why?....because I feel
their backups are good and aside from experience, there wont be all that much of a fall off given the talent on that offense. It's not like they're gonna bring out a DaNucci. Even you would look good at QB with a Barkley to hand off to, and those WR's (if they don't declare for the NFL).
As far as your explanations.....I like them but...you tend to speak in absolutes. I tend to give a
viewpoint, and make it clear that it's a viewpoint and not necessarily a fact.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

If he's knocked out they're gonna win. Why?....because I feel their backups are good and aside from experience, there wont be all that much of a fall off given the talent on that offense.
Well, the Moorhead Spread predicated upon a QB that makes instant Decisions that McSorley already knew since he ran it in High School and went 55-5 Wins. There is a learning curve for a Back-Up too. Yet, they do have the talent too so i think they could lose 1a few but would be back up and running in no time.

It's not like they're gonna bring out a DaNucci. Even you would look good at QB with a Barkley to hand off to, and those WR's (if they don't declare for the NFL).
Barkley helps McSorley and McSorley helps Barkley, OSu ran the same Offense Spread but their QB breaks down like he did against Clemson. Michigan Defense was capable of stopping both like they did. But Michigan Offense had trouble with OSU Defense. Next year OSU Defense will be better.

As far as your explanations.....I like them but...you tend to speak in absolutes. I tend to give a viewpoint, and make it clear that it's a viewpoint and not necessarily a fact.
Well, this is why i ask and enjoyed your posts and Farnox too. We never know until the games are played and over and then facts can be seen more clearly and still foggy. I asked because i don't consider by viewpoint the end all either.

I see PSU right Now and just a guess until i see Summer camp line Ups Depth Charts.
WIN AKRON
TOSS UP WIN PITT
WIN GSU
TOSS UP @IOWA
WIN INDIANA
TOSS UP @NU
OFF
TOSS UP LOSS MICHIGAN
LOSS @OAU
TOSS UP WIN @MSU
WIN RUTGERS
TOSS UP WIN NEBRASKA
WIN @UMD[/QUOTE]

 

[Chescat]

If he's knocked out they're gonna win. Why?....because I feel their backups are good and aside from experience, there wont be all that much of a fall off given the talent on that offense.
Well, the Moorhead Spread predicated upon a QB that makes instant Decisions that McSorley already knew since he ran it in High School and went 55-5 Wins. There is a learning curve for a Back-Up too. Yet, they do have the talent too so i think they could lose 1a few but would be back up and running in no time.

It's not like they're gonna bring out a DaNucci. Even you would look good at QB with a Barkley to hand off to, and those WR's (if they don't declare for the NFL).
Barkley helps McSorley and McSorley helps Barkley, OSu ran the same Offense Spread but their QB breaks down like he did against Clemson. Michigan Defense was capable of stopping both like they did. But Michigan Offense had trouble with OSU Defense. Next year OSU Defense will be better.

As far as your explanations.....I like them but...you tend to speak in absolutes. I tend to give a viewpoint, and make it clear that it's a viewpoint and not necessarily a fact.
Well, this is why i ask and enjoyed your posts and Farnox too. We never know until the games are played and over and then facts can be seen more clearly and still foggy. I asked because i don't consider by viewpoint the end all either.

I see PSU right Now and just a guess until i see Summer camp line Ups Depth Charts.
WIN AKRON
TOSS UP WIN PITT
WIN GSU
TOSS UP @IOWA
WIN INDIANA
TOSS UP @NU
OFF
TOSS UP LOSS MICHIGAN
LOSS @OAU
TOSS UP WIN @MSU
WIN RUTGERS
TOSS UP WIN NEBRASKA
WIN @UMD

[/QUOTE]


Good responses! Well, I hope your predictions come true LOL. However, given their talent if PSU loses more than the OSU game, they will have underachieved with expectations
being through the roof for them. The have talent, experience and depth with 4 star players
waiting in reserve. I see a loss with OSU and an upset somewhere else in conference play.
Their game with us??...Nothing I would like more than an upset, but realistically I don't see it.
IMO...9-2.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Chescat, post: 1748224, member: 176"]
Good responses! Well, I hope your predictions come true LOL. However, given their talent if PSU loses more than the OSU game, they will have underachieved with expectations being through the roof for them. The have talent, experience and depth with 4 star players waiting in reserve. I see a loss with OSU and an upset somewhere else in conference play. Their game with us??...Nothing I would like more than an upset, but realistically I don't see it. IMO...9-2.
Way to early but National Pundits will make a early call based on 2016 Results after the 9th. Recruiting is next, then Spring ball, then NFL Draft, then Summer Camps. Expectations will be sky high and USC and PSU fans will expect 12-0 as they should based on Rose Bowl and many Players back. So be it, but other Coaches will be better prepared for USC Arnold and PSU's McSorley in 2017, and they are paid to win or lose the games. They were fun to watch, set Rose Bowl Records, good luck to them in 2017.

Pitt has to choose a new OC, finish Recruiting, and has their own plans to get better in Narduzzi's Second Year. Coach Pat first year establish his system and coaching and they responded. In 2016, OC Canada exceeded expectations but Defense was a learning process still going on, and terrific Special Teams again. The Third 2017 Year is something to look forward to again too.

Pitt does not have to meet the expectations that will be on Penn State this year. I have no problem waiting and watching both of them again.
Good post and thank you for your own comments and insights!