To show you how far we have come......my college football weekend experience no longer has to have PSU losing. Who cares. We are flat out a much better team than they are.
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We could go 14-0 with an average winning margin of 4 touchdowns and I'll still be delighted with every loss or misfortune they have.
An occasional win to maintain the status quo may not be such a bad thing. Keep James from State College around and the program in a state of perpetual mediocrity.
Flat out better?
Not today. Two very similar football games. Two very similar performances. Neither PA team was very impressive. If they played each other today, it would have been an ugly football game and likely very close. Both teams should be better when they finally play next year.
But, but, but pennsucks is "unrivaled"! "Dominate the state!". Please, with all of the so-called recruiting prowess Franklin's had, you guys haven't dominated sh*t.
Can't wait till 2016.
Thanks Jerry aka safety blitz. Joe Knew. We appreciate trolls who have screen names since 2002 with FIVE posts. Nice try, maybe you can hook up with Al Golden as internet disinformation coordinator. He'll be looking soon, good luck.
Actually don't see anything like that....And they have more talent in their most recent 2 classes than PITT
Gawd no. PSU hasn't dominated anything. They barely win. Offense sucks big time. But Pitt hasn't dominated anybody either. Neither team was impressive today. That was my only point.
I agree that Franklin talks too much. But I don't pay much attention to all that coach speak. "Dominate the state" isn't much different than Wanny's "Build a wall around Pittsburgh." Just crap to fire up the alumni.
Cute.
I've said many times I follow both programs. Two great schools. I have kids with degrees from both. I want to see both do well. And my objective view is neither was impressive today.
As for the number of posts, Rivals f'd those up when they made their changes.
nice try, funny how my post numbers over the years never changed.
I am originally from western pa, rooted always for pitt 1st, but would root for penn st. now and again when playing other teams, not now. Moved to Central Pa in 1996 when I got married. Pitt stunk then, everything was low key, pitt started getting competitive in late 90's early 2000's under Walt Harris. I started hearing some of the most untrue bs, racist crap, flat out right lies I ever heard. Turned me.
I heard things about Sandusky as far back as 1997......but at the time it was "you are just a bitter pitt or notre dame fan."
You are an internet sleeper agent troll. Waited 13 years to come out. We will find you, Good Luck.
I am originally from western pa, rooted always for pitt 1st, but would root for penn st. now and again when playing other teams, not now. Moved to Central Pa in 1996 when I got married. Pitt stunk then, everything was low key, pitt started getting competitive in late 90's early 2000's under Walt Harris. I started hearing some of the most untrue bs, racist crap, flat out right lies I ever heard. Turned me.
I heard things about Sandusky as far back as 1997......but at the time it was "you are just a bitter pitt or notre dame fan."
You are an internet sleeper agent troll. Waited 13 years to come out. We will find you, Good Luck.
This guy is Chembie from old Pennlive board for long timers who will remember.
He has waited with this "nic" since 2002. Clever. Nice Try. No Dice.
He has waited with this "nic" since 2002. Clever. Nice Try. No Dice.
Penn state has looked horrible this year, anyone denying that hasn't watched them or is lying.
And temple isn't a real good team. They are a mid tier group of 5 with a good coach. They struggled to beat ucf and umass, 2 of the very worst fbs teams.
And temple isn't a real good team. They are a mid tier group of 5 with a good coach. They struggled to beat ucf and umass, 2 of the very worst fbs teams.
Please refer to that team in cow country as The Cult and not " Penn State ". And show some respect and capitalize it.
Penn State looked horrible against a pathetic Maryland team who already fired their coach. No comparison to the Pitt win over Syracuse a team that took LSU down to the wire.
It is noticeable now that commercials are shown during National Televised Games on the Traditions of College Football Coaches!
Paterno is no longer is shown in the AD clips?
It has shown how the world and advertisers now know the truth about Penn State Football and no longer credits Paterno as part of College Football Traditional Top Coaches!
You know that puts every Penn State Culture in a funk especially Pnnylion, Tratur and Cultists of his mentally deranged ilk?
It is only getting worse, you can read on the fear on the Penn State Boards how Franklin does not have the confidence of the Penn State Fans that he can be a Great or Elite Coach.
As well as, the worry that Pitt's Coach Pat Narduzzi is going to become a Great and Elite Coach!
They are beating dregs and mediocre teams without any signature wins, while Pitt is playing good to above average Teams with signature wins and will be ranked again this week?
Penn State Is In A Funk, barely beating a Team blown away by many others such as Michigan and WVU!
Paterno is no longer is shown in the AD clips?
It has shown how the world and advertisers now know the truth about Penn State Football and no longer credits Paterno as part of College Football Traditional Top Coaches!
You know that puts every Penn State Culture in a funk especially Pnnylion, Tratur and Cultists of his mentally deranged ilk?
It is only getting worse, you can read on the fear on the Penn State Boards how Franklin does not have the confidence of the Penn State Fans that he can be a Great or Elite Coach.
As well as, the worry that Pitt's Coach Pat Narduzzi is going to become a Great and Elite Coach!
They are beating dregs and mediocre teams without any signature wins, while Pitt is playing good to above average Teams with signature wins and will be ranked again this week?
Penn State Is In A Funk, barely beating a Team blown away by many others such as Michigan and WVU!
Frankly, the entire nation ignores UPS.
Nausea and disgust are the main reactions when forced to think of them.
Spot on, and they pretend they do not know it and something is wrong with the world?
Still, deep in their hearts they now know Paterno Program was never as great as claimed and they cannot accept that they were misled?
Yet, Paterno crying on his Death Bed about his Legacy wrong change Public Opinion, and Paterno knew that and why he was crying?
It will take a generation to Cleanse that Legacy of Deceit, Non-Compliance and breaking NCAA Rules, and Federal & State Laws!
The 409 Cleaner was created before Joe stayed too long and ignored children's protections for his precious 409?
Karma caught up to Joe! The World ignoring him, has caught up with the Penn State Football Culture of that Shameful Era!
Are you kidding me? Knock on Syracuse all you want, they'd murder Maryland. I will say this all season, Maryland is one of the worst P5 programs in the country. Total joke. 5 Maryland turnovers and Penn State wins by 1. Not a good game. Comparing the two wins yesterday is laughable.
I think Maryland has talent and just needs coaching, but both are average teams to below average in the Big Ten, and it shows in the 31-30 score, they both are not very good. Both have poor coaching right now! Penn State will struggle to beat NW & Illinois, and will be blown away by Michigan and MSU! They only have 6 wins because they played dregs on OOC at Home, and Indiana, Rutgers and Maryland.
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Yes, that is probably most of their problem. I didn't say they are a bad team, they are a bad program. They could turn it around, but right now they are a program that is just not on the same level as most P5 teams. Hills the QB (from Central Catholic) is a good athlete that seems to run that read option offense well. However, his passing needs a lot of work for them to be a real threat to anyone they play. Also, their secondary is absolutely horrible. All in all, I'd agree they have some athletes, just need better coaching as they look lost on the field. Edsall was in over his head there and now with an interim coach, they don't look they're going to win many more games this season, if any.
"Pittx9, post: 444635, member: 15348"]Yes, that is probably most of their problem. I didn't say they are a bad team, they are a bad program. They could turn it around, but right now they are a program that is just not on the same level as most P5 teams.
I think we agree, both have talent, if both had Narduzzi & Staff they would be far better! Franklin just can't seem to improve his Players as a Team to become more consistent and that is a sign of poor coaching. One game the Running back goes wild, then disappear, then Wideouts look good then drop balls and disappear, and Hackenberg has been inconsistent all year, along with the OL, Defense and the Special Teams Stinks! Improvement has been on snail pace and slow go, and they played bad Teams?
Hills the QB (from Central Catholic) is a good athlete that seems to run that read option offense well. However, his passing needs a lot of work for them to be a real threat to anyone they play. Also, their secondary is absolutely horrible. All in all, I'd agree they have some athletes, just need better coaching as they look lost on the field.
All correct and the Interim Coach Locksley did give the Players some transfusion towards playing better but came up short! Penn State was not playing well as you say too! It was really a game between two Below Average Teams, but Maryland played a far tougher schedule to date?
Edsall was in over his head there and now with an interim coach, they don't look they're going to win many more games this season, if any.
Edsall is future Non-Power Conference Coach or NFL Assistant or Future OC or DC? Murphy's law caught up to him!
I think we agree, both have talent, if both had Narduzzi & Staff they would be far better! Franklin just can't seem to improve his Players as a Team to become more consistent and that is a sign of poor coaching. One game the Running back goes wild, then disappear, then Wideouts look good then drop balls and disappear, and Hackenberg has been inconsistent all year, along with the OL, Defense and the Special Teams Stinks! Improvement has been on snail pace and slow go, and they played bad Teams?
Hills the QB (from Central Catholic) is a good athlete that seems to run that read option offense well. However, his passing needs a lot of work for them to be a real threat to anyone they play. Also, their secondary is absolutely horrible. All in all, I'd agree they have some athletes, just need better coaching as they look lost on the field.
All correct and the Interim Coach Locksley did give the Players some transfusion towards playing better but came up short! Penn State was not playing well as you say too! It was really a game between two Below Average Teams, but Maryland played a far tougher schedule to date?
Edsall was in over his head there and now with an interim coach, they don't look they're going to win many more games this season, if any.
Edsall is future Non-Power Conference Coach or NFL Assistant or Future OC or DC? Murphy's law caught up to him!
To be honest, I'm actually a bit surprised about Edsall. Took the UConn program from basically nothing to a decent team most years. Yes, Pitt and others blew it in 2010 allowing them to make the BCS, but they had some decent players there through the years. Very hard place to attract recruits for football, so I figured he would recruit better at Maryland and have a decent run there.
"Pittx9, post: 444692, member: 15348"]To be honest, I'm actually a bit surprised about Edsall. Took the UConn program from basically nothing to a decent team most years.
I concur, but it is one thing to rebuild a Program or Start a New FBS Program, and make it into a winner, just like USF did, but at some point as you grow in Coaching Jobs to bigger Programs then you are really tested and him and Skip Holtz seem to have spent their best right now. Edsall Players this year just did not respond to him and once UMD was in the Big ten it is a far harder assignment against OSU, UM, MSU, and PSU Programs?
Yes, Pitt and others blew it in 2010 allowing them to make the BCS, but they had some decent players there through the years. Very hard place to attract recruits for football, so I figured he would recruit better at Maryland and have a decent run there.
Edsall was about as good as Walt Harris and just a tad better than Wannstedt, Graham and Chryst at Pitt, as I see it?
I concur, but it is one thing to rebuild a Program or Start a New FBS Program, and make it into a winner, just like USF did, but at some point as you grow in Coaching Jobs to bigger Programs then you are really tested and him and Skip Holtz seem to have spent their best right now. Edsall Players this year just did not respond to him and once UMD was in the Big ten it is a far harder assignment against OSU, UM, MSU, and PSU Programs?
Yes, Pitt and others blew it in 2010 allowing them to make the BCS, but they had some decent players there through the years. Very hard place to attract recruits for football, so I figured he would recruit better at Maryland and have a decent run there.
Edsall was about as good as Walt Harris and just a tad better than Wannstedt, Graham and Chryst at Pitt, as I see it?
Very tough comparisons. Seeing what happened at Maryland has set Edsall back. While at UConn though, he was a very good coach. Walt and Chryst were great offensive coaches, but most years had putrid defenses. Graham is looking pretty bad at ASU this year though, I'd still say Edsall is a better coach than him. At the very least, I'd bet there's more players that played for Edsall willing to stick up for him than Graham players. I think Edsall and Wanny are pretty close in comparison, but yes probably would give the eventual edge to Edsall.
"Pittx9, post: 444743, member: 15348"]Very tough comparisons.
Agree, very tough and why I see many close comparisons.
Seeing what happened at Maryland has set Edsall back. While at UConn though, he was a very good coach.
Yes, he took what he inherited and then recruited and them turn them into Teams capable of using their talents and did it on all 3 Units often beating superior talented teams. He was a Good Game Day Planning Execution Coach.
Walt and Chryst were great offensive coaches, but most years had putrid defenses.
Exactly, super QB Coaches & OC's that could win a game on Offense alone. But had real trouble in developing Defense and Special Teams and lost games on that alone! Not complete coaches and porr choices on hiring and keeping Staffs?
Graham is looking pretty bad at ASU this year though, I'd still say Edsall is a better coach than him.
Graham's can no longer hide his sham. Recruits and Players are seeing through him. When he comes in, he is like Franklin a great sell on himself and what they will do, then the Players see he can't coach as expected and starts to blame them?
At the very least, I'd bet there's more players that played for Edsall willing to stick up for him than Graham players.
Agree, but not by much. Edsall really lost his Players this year. they gave up and seem to just not listen and he could not turn it around. They really played so much better without him, nit who knows it was against Penn state that has the same problems?
I think Edsall and Wanny are pretty close in comparison, but yes probably would give the eventual edge to Edsall.
Pretty good comparison, both are arrogant thinking they know everything about Football, but Wannstedt proved he was becoming out of date with each passing year. he also put trust in some questionable players and later would not pull them out until it was too late. Edsall-Wannstedt 3-3 but Wanny had recruited the better talent but Edsall had the better Game Day Plans! In my opinion, Edsall gets the edge because he did more with less!
Wannstedt-Edsall Coaching Year Comparison:
I-A Winning Percentage 2005-2010 (6 years)
40t Pittsburgh 0.58108 43 31 0 74
49t Connecticut 0.56000 42 33 0 75
Wannstedt-Edsall Coaching Year Comparison:
Pitt Versus Connecticut Games:
2010 Pitt (8-5) @Connecticut (8-5) L 28 30
2009 Pitt (10-3) Connecticut (8-5) W 24 21
2008 Pitt (9-4) Connecticut (8-5) W 34 10
2007 Pitt (5-7) Connecticut (9-4) L 14 34
2006 Pitt (6-6) @Connecticut (4-8) L 45 46
2005 Pitt (5-6) Connecticut (5-6) W 24 0
Agree, edge to Edsall!
Agree, very tough and why I see many close comparisons.
Seeing what happened at Maryland has set Edsall back. While at UConn though, he was a very good coach.
Yes, he took what he inherited and then recruited and them turn them into Teams capable of using their talents and did it on all 3 Units often beating superior talented teams. He was a Good Game Day Planning Execution Coach.
Walt and Chryst were great offensive coaches, but most years had putrid defenses.
Exactly, super QB Coaches & OC's that could win a game on Offense alone. But had real trouble in developing Defense and Special Teams and lost games on that alone! Not complete coaches and porr choices on hiring and keeping Staffs?
Graham is looking pretty bad at ASU this year though, I'd still say Edsall is a better coach than him.
Graham's can no longer hide his sham. Recruits and Players are seeing through him. When he comes in, he is like Franklin a great sell on himself and what they will do, then the Players see he can't coach as expected and starts to blame them?
At the very least, I'd bet there's more players that played for Edsall willing to stick up for him than Graham players.
Agree, but not by much. Edsall really lost his Players this year. they gave up and seem to just not listen and he could not turn it around. They really played so much better without him, nit who knows it was against Penn state that has the same problems?
I think Edsall and Wanny are pretty close in comparison, but yes probably would give the eventual edge to Edsall.
Pretty good comparison, both are arrogant thinking they know everything about Football, but Wannstedt proved he was becoming out of date with each passing year. he also put trust in some questionable players and later would not pull them out until it was too late. Edsall-Wannstedt 3-3 but Wanny had recruited the better talent but Edsall had the better Game Day Plans! In my opinion, Edsall gets the edge because he did more with less!
Wannstedt-Edsall Coaching Year Comparison:
I-A Winning Percentage 2005-2010 (6 years)
40t Pittsburgh 0.58108 43 31 0 74
49t Connecticut 0.56000 42 33 0 75
Wannstedt-Edsall Coaching Year Comparison:
Pitt Versus Connecticut Games:
2010 Pitt (8-5) @Connecticut (8-5) L 28 30
2009 Pitt (10-3) Connecticut (8-5) W 24 21
2008 Pitt (9-4) Connecticut (8-5) W 34 10
2007 Pitt (5-7) Connecticut (9-4) L 14 34
2006 Pitt (6-6) @Connecticut (4-8) L 45 46
2005 Pitt (5-6) Connecticut (5-6) W 24 0
Agree, edge to Edsall!
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I agree that neither looked good yesterday, but I would also say Pitt has looked like the better coached team all year. Temple is a great story this year, but there are not many players on Temple's team that received scholarship offers from Penn State. They were out coached. The rest of the games on both schedules are fairly similar. Pitt winning at GA tech is impressive as well.
Hail to Pitt!
Dave
Neither team is very good. Both teams are talent deficient in a lot of areas.
I'm glad someone remembers the infamous Chembie....... Living In Harrisburg/Carlisle area there are about 8000 Chembies about these parts.
You do see a fair amount of Pitt License Plates and magnets around Carlisle. We are outnumbered but make our presence known.
You do see a fair amount of Pitt License Plates and magnets around Carlisle. We are outnumbered but make our presence known.
I have no idea. Do you think every 1 loss ranked team is good? Because both teams Franklin lost to are in the Top 25 and undefeated. Honestly, I watched a FOUR LOSS Tennessee team yesterday that would walk the dog on either Pitt or PSU.
ratking17. That is impossible for me to do. I'll say this, I feel fairly confident Franklin would not do any better than Narduzzi (meaning he would also have at least one loss) Absolutely not.
However, I'm also not sure the record would be any worse. We are racking up close wins against teams that have a boatload of losses. That's not being negative, that's just the truth.
However, I'm also not sure the record would be any worse. We are racking up close wins against teams that have a boatload of losses. That's not being negative, that's just the truth.
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