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I don't think we are in any position to look down our noses at any other program, including Penn State. Honestly, it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Also, I absolutely agree that neither Pitt nor Penn State was particularly impressive this weekend.

However, given Pitt's schematic approach on defense and the way they are able to consistently pressure opposing quarterbacks, coupled with Penn State's complete inability to protect its quarterback, who is also alarmingly immobile in the pocket; I have to believe that Pitt would be a three point favorite at home and a pick 'em in State College.

Next year, who knows? But this year Pitt is pretty clearly the better team. Also, neither team is particularly good.
 
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I don't think we are in any position to look down our noses at any other program, including Penn State. Honestly, it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
I hear where you're coming from, but IMO any football program as far down as D3 can look down on Penn State, they're a disgrace to collegiate athletics.
 
I disagree slightly with the good dr on this one. I thought the team came out flat against Syracuse defensively. In the 2nd half we held them to 3 points and intercepted them twice. We have an incredibly young team that didn't turn the ball over, went on the road to secure a victory, and won the game with a 19 play 9 minute drive. I don't think that sounds like a bad game at all regardless of the competition. As Narduzzi said post game, we got the cuse ' s LSU effort.
 
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Are you kidding me?? They had FIVE turnovers? And they only lost by 1?

Are you kidding me? Knock on Syracuse all you want, they'd murder Maryland. I will say this all season, Maryland is one of the worst P5 programs in the country. Total joke. 5 Maryland turnovers and Penn State wins by 1. Not a good game. Comparing the two wins yesterday is laughable.
 
="ratking17, post: 446918, member: 3072"]I disagree slightly with the good dr on this one. I thought the team came out flat against Syracuse defensively.
Narduzzi said the exact same thing about Pitt defensive tackling against Cuse in his PC just a few minutes ago. He made no excuses and said they have to improve if they will play against UNC to win.

In the 2nd half we held them to 3 points and intercepted them twice. We have an incredibly young team that didn't turn the ball over, went on the road to secure a victory, and won the game with a 19 play 9 minute drive. I don't think that sounds like a bad game at all regardless of the competition. As Narduzzi said post game, we got the cuse ' s LSU effort.
Coach Pat was asked how good his team actually is, and he said, we will find out on Thursday won't we?
 
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"irncty, post: 448685, member: 6564"]Ok...so Penn State handled Indiana...a team that took Ohio St. down to the wire. I know...Indiana was missing this guy and that guy. Well...so was Penn St. The fact is neither team is winning impressively and neither team has beaten anyone good. They are two of the worst 6 win teams in the country.
Agree, and I still think PITT, PSU and WVU! along with UNC, GT, VT, UVA, NCS, DUKE, BC, Miami, Illinois, KSU, Texas Tech and a number of others are very even too!

I now live in FL. I have had one person say "I didn't realize Penn St. was 5-1, they must be doing something right". I had another person say..."Pitt...they're not very good."
Perception is everything and that takes time to turn around. The Facts are Pitt at 6-1 and UNC and even USC at 4-3 has votes in the Polls, but Penn State at 6-2 has none! Reality often overcomes perception of the uninformed like that guy in Florida! The facts are Pitt toughest games are now UNC, ND, DUKE, and even ULOU and MIAMI coming up and only after that will we know how good they are! They can still go 6-6 or 7-5, 8-4, 9-3, 10-2, or 11-1! They are 6-1 with 6 Wins by 7 points or less, We shall see!
 
Ok...so Penn State handled Indiana...a team that took Ohio St. down to the wire. I know...Indiana was missing this guy and that guy. Well...so was Penn St. The fact is neither team is winning impressively and neither team has beaten anyone good. They are two of the worst 6 win teams in the country.

I now live in FL. I have had one person say "I didn't realize Penn St. was 5-1, they must be doing something right". I had another person say..."Pitt...they're not very good."

No the difference is Pitt has not lost any game they were favored in AND won one they weren't. Pitt wasn't sniffing any polls preseason and are now ranked. PSU went in the exact opposite direction. You're nuts if you think public perception of Pitt isn't good - it is. PSU perception-wise has played down, Pitt up. The buzz around Narduzzi is positive, Franklin negative. All of this is fact.
 
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Ok...so Penn State handled Indiana...a team that took Ohio St. down to the wire. I know...Indiana was missing this guy and that guy. Well...so was Penn St. The fact is neither team is winning impressively and neither team has beaten anyone good. They are two of the worst 6 win teams in the country.

I now live in FL. I have had one person say "I didn't realize Penn St. was 5-1, they must be doing something right". I had another person say..."Pitt...they're not very good."

And how'd that lousy George Tech team Pitt beat do against Florida State again?
 
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No the difference is Pitt has not lost any game they were favored in AND won one they weren't. Pitt wasn't sniffing any polls preseason and are now ranked. PSU went in the exact opposite direction. You're nuts if you think public perception of Pitt isn't good - it is. PSU perception-wise has played down, Pitt up. The buzz around Narduzzi is positive, Franklin negative. All of this is fact.
To be fair, he was talking about the perception of an uninformed Florida Fan that lacks facts and reality! Yet, your Post is more factual too, backed up by the Votes in Polls!

There is a quote about Perception and Power that relates to Winning and Losing in Sports.....Actual Power Is Not Perception One Either has the Power Or He Doesn't, and It Cannot Be Faked!"

Penn State has been using Perception through Public Relations to foster myths about their Program since the day Paterno took the job, and many bought in, until the reality of the Penn State Scandal and revelations of Paterno Non-Compliance, Rules and Law breaking led to the Reality of his Paper Lion Empire!

 
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Pitt and PSU were the two youngest teams in D1 college football a year ago. Both teams were 6-6 a year ago. Franklin's first year was last year, this is Narduzzi's first. You can argue about sanctions, but Pitt's admin through these last few years have pretty much sanctioned their own football team.

Here is some info I have compiled, probably useless info to most but I found it interesting:

Pitt 6-1.
  • Not going to count YSU since they are 1AA. Has played one ranked team and lost by 3 away.
  • The combined records of the teams they have played is 21-23.
  • Pitt’s opponents thus far have played 13 ranked opponents (1, 6, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 13, 19, 19, 20, and 23) with GT beating number 9 this past weekend.
  • Each team Pitt has played with the exception of YSU has played against ranked opponents.
  • Pitt has played 2 non P5 conference teams.

PSU 6-2.
  • Has played two ranked teams (1 & 21, both away and has lost by a total of 45 points (17 to Temple and 28 to OSU).
  • The combined records of the teams they have played is 34-26 (15 of the wins are by Temple and OSU, the rest of their opponents combined records is 19-26).
  • PSU’s opponents thus far have played 6 ranked opponents (1, 1, 1, 4, 7, and 22, Temple and OSU have not yet played a ranked opponent. Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers played number 1 OSU).
  • Five of PSU’s opponents have not played a ranked team.
  • PSU has played 4 non P5 conference teams.
 
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Pitt and PSU were the two youngest teams in D1 college football a year ago. Both teams were 6-6 a year ago. Franklin's first year was last year, this is Narduzzi's first. You can argue about sanctions, but Pitt's admin through these last few years have pretty much sanctioned their own football team.

Here is some info I have compiled, probably useless info to most but I found it interesting:

Pitt 6-1.
  • Not going to count YSU since they are 1AA. Has played one ranked team and lost by 3 away.
  • The combined records of the teams they have played is 21-23.
  • Pitt’s opponents thus far have played 13 ranked opponents (1, 6, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 13, 19, 19, 20, and 23) with GT beating number 9 this past weekend.
  • Each team Pitt has played with the exception of YSU has played against ranked opponents.
  • Pitt has played 2 non P5 conference teams.

PSU 6-2.
  • Has played two ranked teams (1 & 21, both away and has lost by a total of 45 points (17 to Temple and 28 to OSU).
  • The combined records of the teams they have played is 34-26 (15 of the wins are by Temple and OSU, the rest of their opponents combined records is 19-26).
  • PSU’s opponents thus far have played 6 ranked opponents (1, 1, 1, 4, 7, and 22, Temple and OSU have not yet played a ranked opponent. Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers played number 1 OSU).
  • Five of PSU’s opponents have not played a ranked team.
  • PSU has played 4 non P5 conference teams.
I have stated I see Pitt, Penn State and WVU very even right now after going through Chancellor, Presidents, Coaches and Athletic Directors changes the last 5 years?

I won't even try to predict who would win or beat each other right now because I don't play hypos games, but all 2 games would be close in my opinion.

Also, PSU & WVU are recovering from scandals, sanctions, and for Pitt & WVU Conference Changes.


Pitt is 6-1 winning by 7 points or less in 6 games against eqqal to Mediocre Teams with great coaching and barely losing to Top Ten Iowa!

WVU is 3-3 losing against 3 Top 25 Teams with another Top 5 to come whose coaching is coming up short without the QB or Defense he needs to win against those Top Programs! But he beat UMD easily!


Penn State is winning against dregs from a weak schedule but is still a competitor if they played Pitt or WVU!

Just my opinion, all 3 Programs have much to do to be better, and should play together to get better together!
 
CaptainSid was correct in that I was attempting to accentuate the public perception of Pitt and Penn State outside of the state of PA. In general, in my discussions with non-PA friends, coworkers, etc. regarding college football, Pitt is rarely acknowledged. I'm not saying this to knock Pitt. It just is what it is. I would bet that many wouldn't even know who Pitt's coach is. That said, several of these same people wouldn't know who Penn State's coach is either. They know UF, UCF, FSU, Clemson and GT for the most part. These people I am referring to tend to be casual sports fans...college graduates who wear their alma mater's t-shirt to work on Fridays and watch their team on Saturday if they don't have anything else going on. They don't follow recruiting or cuss at the tv in front of their kids when their team's players make a stupid play. These people likely have the proper perspective on all of this...unlike many of us. In general, for the most part, I come across an occasional Penn St. fanatic and never a Pitt fanatic. Neither is really nationally recognized.
 
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I never say anything good about UPS, but in the interest of honesty, I'll paraphrase what I said on Saturday: the Nits' stable of receivers is very good. They're especially good once the ball is in the air - great adjustments. Hackenberg was really inaccurate on Saturday, yet his receivers were adjusting and snagging some poorly thrown balls.

Excluding Tyler Boyd - who's the second-best receiver in Pennsylvania (okay, I'll admit to liking Antonio Brown more) - the Nits have a better/deeper group of WRs than Pitt.
 
"irncty, post: 449663, member: 6564"]CaptainSid was correct in that I was attempting to accentuate the public perception of Pitt and Penn State outside of the state of PA. In general, in my discussions with non-PA friends, coworkers, etc. regarding college football, Pitt is rarely acknowledged. I'm not saying this to knock Pitt. It just is what it is. I would bet that many wouldn't even know who Pitt's coach is. That said, several of these same people wouldn't know who Penn State's coach is either. They know UF, UCF, FSU, Clemson and GT for the most part. These people I am referring to tend to be casual sports fans...college graduates who wear their alma mater's t-shirt to work on Fridays and watch their team on Saturday if they don't have anything else going on. They don't follow recruiting or cuss at the tv in front of their kids when their team's players make a stupid play. These people likely have the proper perspective on all of this...unlike many of us. In general, for the most part, I come across an occasional Penn St. fanatic and never a Pitt fanatic. Neither is really nationally recognized.

Yep, teh average person that does not follow CFB seldom has any insights and live off of perceptions.

Yet, If you bet CFB and are good at it, then you know about the Facts, Stats, and Coaching Trends Game Plans that determine wins or losses on Game Days.

This is different from following the Programs that are based on Revenue resources and the Bigger Money Makers always have Bigger Media Relations and the only to compete is win more games and beat them bigger Programs and that has to happen over several years before the average person comes to know it?
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The real people that know almost everything about all Teams, Coaches, Players, and Programs are the Bookies First and Foremost, Program Insiders, Sports Lawyers & Agents, and then Family and Friends related to Insiders at those Schools!

Franklin loves talking to everyone and the media and is great at selling himself, Penn State, and Program and will always out talk most other Coaches!

Narduzzi is much more quiet and lets his coaching and winning do his talking but only a few hear, see, and know it?

Pitt Program is a Top 40 Program compared to Penn State that is a Top 15!


Let time teach which Coach is better especially when they play one another the next 4 years.
 
Pitt and PSU were the two youngest teams in D1 college football a year ago. Both teams were 6-6 a year ago. Franklin's first year was last year, this is Narduzzi's first. You can argue about sanctions, but Pitt's admin through these last few years have pretty much sanctioned their own football team.

Here is some info I have compiled, probably useless info to most but I found it interesting:

Pitt 6-1.
  • Not going to count YSU since they are 1AA. Has played one ranked team and lost by 3 away.
  • The combined records of the teams they have played is 21-23.
  • Pitt’s opponents thus far have played 13 ranked opponents (1, 6, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 13, 19, 19, 20, and 23) with GT beating number 9 this past weekend.
  • Each team Pitt has played with the exception of YSU has played against ranked opponents.
  • Pitt has played 2 non P5 conference teams.

PSU 6-2.
  • Has played two ranked teams (1 & 21, both away and has lost by a total of 45 points (17 to Temple and 28 to OSU).
  • The combined records of the teams they have played is 34-26 (15 of the wins are by Temple and OSU, the rest of their opponents combined records is 19-26).
  • PSU’s opponents thus far have played 6 ranked opponents (1, 1, 1, 4, 7, and 22, Temple and OSU have not yet played a ranked opponent. Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers played number 1 OSU).
  • Five of PSU’s opponents have not played a ranked team.
  • PSU has played 4 non P5 conference teams.

If you are going to provide statistics, you should perform the same manipulations on both samples. For instance, you say Penn State's combined opponent record is 34-26 with 15 of the 34 belonging to OSU and Temple....omitting those two schools, the remaining record is 19-26 (.422). So after excluding Youngstown St. since they are 1AA, you should drop the win loss totals of Pitt's two best opponents so you are comparing apples to apples. If you do that, the numbers go from 21-24 to 11-19 (.366) when you exclude Iowa and Syracuse.
 
To show you how far we have come......my college football weekend experience no longer has to have PSU losing. Who cares. We are flat out a much better team than they are.

If we went 3-9 for the next century, and we beat perv state, ND & the hoopies every year
~ I'd die a happy man!
 
I was just trying to show that penn state's strength of schedule thus far revolves around one team really. You could lump in Temple if you want to, but the truth of the matter is Temple's toughest opponent so far is PSU. And their opponent's ranked opponent in three of those six instances is the same team, Ohio State. If it weren't for OSU, their schedule would be even more ridiculous. People are trying to compare Pitt and PSU's schedule saying they are even when they really are not. How do you compare San Diego State, Army, Buffalo, and Temple to Iowa and Notre Dame? Even if you add in YSU and Akron, who played Oklahoma. The toughest team they played thus far is the best team in the nation, after that they have played no one. And I realize they will play Northwestern, Michigan, and Michigan State but I am just showing up to this point.

You can't really go by opponent's win percentage because most of PoSU's opponents haven't played anyone. Temple, SDSU, Buffalo, and Army have NOT played a P5 opponent other than PoSU. Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland are the only one's other than OSU that have played a ranked opponent. ALL of Pitt's opponents with the exception of YSU have played a P5 team other than Pitt. And Pitt's opponents have played more than twice as many ranked teams as PoSU's opponents. Of course being a PoSU fan you are going to compare the opponent's win percentage because that is the only argument you have. But statistics do not always show the whole truth.

If you are going to provide statistics, you should perform the same manipulations on both samples. For instance, you say Penn State's combined opponent record is 34-26 with 15 of the 34 belonging to OSU and Temple....omitting those two schools, the remaining record is 19-26 (.422). So after excluding Youngstown St. since they are 1AA, you should drop the win loss totals of Pitt's two best opponents so you are comparing apples to apples. If you do that, the numbers go from 21-24 to 11-19 (.366) when you exclude Iowa and Syracuse.
 
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I don't think we are in any position to look down our noses at any other program, including Penn State. Honestly, it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

....

Actually ANY decent human being can and SHOULD look down their noses at PSU.

For eternity

Some things are just too sickening to forgive
 
I was just trying to show that penn state's strength of schedule thus far revolves around one team really. You could lump in Temple if you want to, but the truth of the matter is Temple's toughest opponent so far is PSU. And their opponent's ranked opponent in three of those six instances is the same team, Ohio State. If it weren't for OSU, their schedule would be even more ridiculous. People are trying to compare Pitt and PSU's schedule saying they are even when they really are not. How do you compare San Diego State, Army, Buffalo, and Temple to Iowa and Notre Dame? Even if you add in YSU and Akron, who played Oklahoma. The toughest team they played thus far is the best team in the nation, after that they have played no one. And I realize they will play Northwestern, Michigan, and Michigan State but I am just showing up to this point.

You can't really go by opponent's win percentage because most of PoSU's opponents haven't played anyone. Temple, SDSU, Buffalo, and Army have NOT played a P5 opponent other than PoSU. Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland are the only one's other than OSU that have played a ranked opponent. ALL of Pitt's opponents with the exception of YSU have played a P5 team other than Pitt. And Pitt's opponents have played more than twice as many ranked teams as PoSU's opponents. Of course being a PoSU fan you are going to compare the opponent's win percentage because that is the only argument you have. But statistics do not always show the whole truth.


You can't use Notre Dame in your 'up to this point' comparison and exclude Michigan St. from Penn State's schedule.

Look...if you want the title of tougher schedule, you win. But it's not by a whole lot and it sure as hell isn't a tough schedule no matter how you try to spin it. Both Pitt and Penn State's schedule has been poor at best. When it's all said and done, the only teams on Penn State's schedule who are worth a darn are: tOSU, MSU, UM, Northwestern and maybe Temple. Pitt's schedule has Notre Dame, Iowa, NC and Duke. Sitting here saying 'Syracuse gave LSU a run', blah, blah, blah is just silly. Rutgers almost beat Mich. St....who cares....they didnt.
 
Ok...so Penn State handled Indiana...a team that took Ohio St. down to the wire. I know...Indiana was missing this guy and that guy. Well...so was Penn St. The fact is neither team is winning impressively and neither team has beaten anyone good. They are two of the worst 6 win teams in the country.

I now live in FL. I have had one person say "I didn't realize Penn St. was 5-1, they must be doing something right". I had another person say..."Pitt...they're not very good."

You're dumb.

Indiana was missing their dynamic MVP QB -- not just "this guy that guy"

dumba$$
 
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You can't use Notre Dame in your 'up to this point' comparison and exclude Michigan St. from Penn State's schedule.

Look...if you want the title of tougher schedule, you win. But it's not by a whole lot and it sure as hell isn't a tough schedule no matter how you try to spin it. Both Pitt and Penn State's schedule has been poor at best. When it's all said and done, the only teams on Penn State's schedule who are worth a darn are: tOSU, MSU, UM, Northwestern and maybe Temple. Pitt's schedule has Notre Dame, Iowa, NC and Duke. Sitting here saying 'Syracuse gave LSU a run', blah, blah, blah is just silly. Rutgers almost beat Mich. St....who cares....they didnt.

dumba$$

Pitt's schedule is about 3x harder than P$hitU to this point -- it's not even close. That's why the rapists aren't even getting a SINGLE VOTE in any of the polls. Their schedule is a joke.
 
Notre Dame was mentioned to compare OOC schedules. No matter where ND ends up, you can't compare them with SDSU, Buffalo, Temple, and
Army. In fact we will see real soon how Temple and Notre Dame compare. The "up to this point" part is because we don't know where anyone in either conference will be ranked at the end of the year. People get into these one conference is better than the other pissing contests and you can't really compare them until bowl season, and even then it is difficult.

I'm not like PoSU fans where everything is a contest. That is YOUR fan base's M.O. I just get tired of hearing and reading PoSU fans trying to convince the rest of the world that they are the greatest school and football program known to man. Your fan base has been brainwashed for almost half a century and now that their savior is gone, they are brain dead. So I try to give you facts that are easy to understand, at least I thought they were.

You can't use Notre Dame in your 'up to this point' comparison and exclude Michigan St. from Penn State's schedule.

Look...if you want the title of tougher schedule, you win. But it's not by a whole lot and it sure as hell isn't a tough schedule no matter how you try to spin it. Both Pitt and Penn State's schedule has been poor at best. When it's all said and done, the only teams on Penn State's schedule who are worth a darn are: tOSU, MSU, UM, Northwestern and maybe Temple. Pitt's schedule has Notre Dame, Iowa, NC and Duke. Sitting here saying 'Syracuse gave LSU a run', blah, blah, blah is just silly. Rutgers almost beat Mich. St....who cares....they didnt.
 
I now live in FL. I have had one person say "I didn't realize Penn St. was 5-1, they must be doing something right". I had another person say..."Pitt...they're not very good."

My Aunt who is 87 years old lives in Youngstown. I visited her there and I met several of her friends who talked much about religion. Two of them could not name who the Bishop of the Youngstown Diocese was. In fact they could not say if there was a Bishop of the Youngstown Diocese. My conclusion is that the based on these people the Bishop of the Youngstown Diocese may really not exist, and if he does he is not religious....make sense?
 
I lived in Texas and they think all Pennsylvanians are fine with child sexual abuse because of the idiots to our east.

My Aunt who is 87 years old lives in Youngstown. I visited her there and I met several of her friends who talked much about religion. Two of them could not name who the Bishop of the Youngstown Diocese was. In fact they could not say if there was a Bishop of the Youngstown Diocese. My conclusion is that the based on these people the Bishop of the Youngstown Diocese may really not exist, and if he does he is not religious....make sense?
 
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I lived in Texas and they think all Pennsylvanians are fine with child sexual abuse because of the idiots to our east.

Yes, it is quite embarrassing, plus the black mark that they have left on all of college football and those who care about it. Quite ironic considering their claim to superiority.
 
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You're dumb.

Indiana was missing their dynamic MVP QB -- not just "this guy that guy"

dumba$$
You're dumb...Penn State was missing their best RB and biggest offensive playmaker (Barkley), their 2nd best RB (Lynch), their best offensive lineman, a starting DB and a starting OLB.

And NO...Pitts schedule is not much tougher than Penn States:
3-4 Youngstown St.
3-4 Akron
7-0 Iowa
3-5 VT
2-5 UVA
3-5 GT
3-4 Syracuse

That is not a strong schedule. It sucks. Just like Penn State, you beat all shitty teams. Pitt has an overall better non-conference schedule, but their conference schedule is bad. Penn State's non-conference schedule sucks and their conference schedule is much stronger. In the end, regardless of conference or non-conference, the schedules are similar.
 
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Ok...so Penn State handled Indiana...a team that took Ohio St. down to the wire. I know...Indiana was missing this guy and that guy. Well...so was Penn St. The fact is neither team is winning impressively and neither team has beaten anyone good. They are two of the worst 6 win teams in the country.

I now live in FL. I have had one person say "I didn't realize Penn St. was 5-1, they must be doing something right". I had another person say..."Pitt...they're not very good."
yeah great... That's what I do when I want to get down to truth on any matter...poll a bunch of clueless old drunks after they baked in the sun all day...awesome! Do they do palm readings as well? Did you bother to tell them at least 4 of those wins came against highschool teams 2 of which didn't have head coaches? Somehow I doubt it...
 
Makes perfect sense...nobody gives two shits about the Youngstown bishop just like nobody cares about Pitt outside of the 100 mile radius around Pittsburgh. I get it! Did I do good?

I know many think of Pittsburgh as a football town but you can't really believe that the pollsters, you know the ones that actually know something about college football (unlike Billy Sue and Jim Bob whom you quoted earlier) , all live within a 100 miles of Pittsburgh do you?
 
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You're dumb...Penn State was missing their best RB and biggest offensive playmaker (Barkley), their 2nd best RB (Lynch), their best offensive lineman, a starting DB and a starting OLB.

And NO...Pitts schedule is not much tougher than Penn States:
3-4 Youngstown St.
3-4 Akron
7-0 Iowa
3-5 VT
2-5 UVA
3-5 GT
3-4 Syracuse

That is not a strong schedule. It sucks. Just like Penn State, you beat all shitty teams. Pitt has an overall better non-conference schedule, but their conference schedule is bad. Penn State's non-conference schedule sucks and their conference schedule is much stronger. In the end, regardless of conference or non-conference, the schedules are similar.

You really are stupid as a wet bag of oatmeal ... I see at least 3 teams on that list who would dispense of you beloved lions ... Who did GT lose to smart guy? How does piss u do with their schedule 2-5 at best...

Maryland no coach 5 turnovers and you barely win by 1...and you have the cajones to bring up scheduling? Unreal
 
You can't use Notre Dame in your 'up to this point' comparison and exclude Michigan St. from Penn State's schedule.

Look...if you want the title of tougher schedule, you win. But it's not by a whole lot and it sure as hell isn't a tough schedule no matter how you try to spin it. Both Pitt and Penn State's schedule has been poor at best. When it's all said and done, the only teams on Penn State's schedule who are worth a darn are: tOSU, MSU, UM, Northwestern and maybe Temple. Pitt's schedule has Notre Dame, Iowa, NC and Duke. Sitting here saying 'Syracuse gave LSU a run', blah, blah, blah is just silly. Rutgers almost beat Mich. St....who cares....they didnt.
Yes, you can. ND is in one of our OOC slots. MSU is one of your conference foes - not one of you OOC opponents.
 
You guys crack me up....you're arguing about how your turd is shinier than my turd. Bottom line....a turd is a turd. You win! Congrats on your winning poops.
Pitt's OOC is not a turd. I love how the argument this year for PSU fans is that somehow we both stink. We don't. We're playing above everyone's expectations at this point. PSU is the one that was ranked pre-season, not Pitt. PSU has a team that is no younger than Pitt's. And Pitt has a first year coach. Oh and btw - with our "turd" we happen to be ranked. You? This would be funny if it wasn't so predictable and somehow pathetic. Keep grasping.
 
Completely disagree td. I think pitt is pretty good. Good enough to be ranked and improving rapidly. I think most pitt fans are cautiously optimistic realizing the difficulty of the schedule coming up. But you can't say we are a bad team. Only someone that doesn't support pitt would make an argument like that
 
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