Pitt AD: No more home/homes with non P5 schools?
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From a financial standpoint, its better to schedule a home and home with Akron than paying them $800k-$1 million each time they appear at Heinz. This is true for almost all P5 teams except maybe 20. We dont sell enough tickets to offset their high appearance fee. However, what Barnes is saying is "F that, we'll pay your fee. We are Pitt. We're an ACC school, we're not playing in your little stadium."
I wouldnt mind home and homes with good G5s like Cincy (already scheduled), Temple, Navy, or Boise.
I wouldnt mind home and homes with good G5s like Cincy (already scheduled), Temple, Navy, or Boise.
Yeah, I'm okay with H/H with some non-P5 schools. Schools like Cincinnati, Temple, Army, Navy, etc., all would work as H/H opponents.
Agree with the first part of your statement. As I have said before, a road game at a place close by like Akron is actually a smart move. A place like Troy State, not so much.
In regards to your next to last sentence, it looks like no home and home's. Didn't say anything about no 2 for 1's, which is the type of deal I would expect a school like Pitt to make.
If we want to be an elite program we need to take the cupcakes off our schedule.
I like the idea of cinci, navy, or even Boise, but we need to eliminate the non P5's every year.
We don't want to be like penn state.
Everybody plays those types of games. An OOC of only BCS schools is competitive suicide.
The issue on playing mid-majors is when that's the only type of OOC you play.
Then again, it sure hasn't hurt Baylor.
That's the penn state mentality. Schedule cupcakes so they can get easy wins and when it comes time to play a good team they get destroyed. That philosophy never works.
Of course the SEC can do that bc majority of the teams they play weekly are ranked.
Ask UVA how that has worked out.
You need a balance. I agree, remove FCS, but having 1 or 2 G5 games is good IMO. Especially some of them are better than bottom P5 teams.
I agree with this, get rid of fcs, 1 buy-a-win home game against a bad, regional G5 team, one home and home with an upper level G5 team and two home and homes with good P5 programs. Being in a terribly mediocre division with Coastal, you cant really get yourself in too much danger with a brutal schedule, not with annual games against duke, unc, va tech, Miami, and UVA.. None of those teams are close to being perennial top 10 programs.
How is what I said the Penn State mentality?
Though, that mentality has certainly worked for Baylor.
Can you name me a school that only plays BCS teams on it's OOC?
Closest one I can think of is Virginia. A schedule to which ThePanthers has pointed out, hasn't exactly worked out for them.
You got to schedule smart. All BCS OOC certainly isn't. A setup like what Pitt has this year is pretty good. It would only remotely be an issue if you thought Pitt was a legit playoff/National Championship team.
Scheduling all BCS teams is only an issue if you consider yourself a legit playoff/nc team.. There is more to gain by playing good teams than scheduling cupcakes. Manufacturing wins to get into a bowl game on Jan 5th on a wed afternoon in Detroit, which costs more money to send band too than financial gains, is not a good strategy...If you want to consider yourself a BCS caliber program, play BCS teams. If you want to play in front of 20k people who got free tickets while they were at the rib fest, continue to schedule Youngstown state..
Youngstown State is FCS, there is a BIG difference between group of 5 and FCS.
For the 4 OOC games, it should be
1 Group of 5, worst team possible, played in week 1 to get the players ready for the season
1 Group of 5 mediocre team
1 P5 team bottom feeder school
1 P5 team good school
or 2 bad Group of 5 teams and 2 good Power 5 teams
NO FCS TEAMS AT ALL!
Sorry PittPanthers90, I agree with you exactly. Buy the win at home with Akron (hopefully win), home and home with program like Cincy, Navy, csu, fresno st, sdsu, and 2 good P5 programs..
If you're a real BCS program, you draw more than 20k (actually, draw more than 40k) regardless of the opponent.
I guess I should correct my statement into you need to schedule 3-4 BCS OOC teams if you are a playoff contender, and you think your conference is weak and you are head and shoulders above it (think Florida State 2013, or USC during the Pete Carrol years, and even they played one cupcake each year).
So, I'll ask again since you couldn't answer it the first time, who this year has a schedule with only BCS teams on it?
And I'll go one step further, if this were like the video games and you could schedule almost anyone you want, who would you replace Youngstown State and Akron with? (with the caveat being you can't pick Penn State or WVU)
I guess I should correct my statement into you need to schedule 3-4 BCS OOC teams if you are a playoff contender, and you think your conference is weak and you are head and shoulders above it (think Florida State 2013, or USC during the Pete Carrol years, and even they played one cupcake each year).
So, I'll ask again since you couldn't answer it the first time, who this year has a schedule with only BCS teams on it?
And I'll go one step further, if this were like the video games and you could schedule almost anyone you want, who would you replace Youngstown State and Akron with? (with the caveat being you can't pick Penn State or WVU)
The home and homes outside of the P5 are as follows IMHO:
Army
Navy
Central Florida
South Florida
Temple
Army
Navy
Central Florida
South Florida
Temple
I wouldn't play any non bcs schools period. Elite teams on a regular basic (sec schools) don't have to do that bc their schedule is loaded during their conference time.
Scheduling cupcakes is what penn state does on a regular basis and that gets team no where.
That is just non-sensical. Setting yourself up to fight Deontay Wilder doesn't make you tough. It makes you wake up in the hospital.
Pitt needs wins. Get them however we can.
I said take non bcs schools off the schedule. Never said replace them with bama and LSU buddy.
Yeah, great way to help the program.. Attendance is great with these exciting matchups against ysu, akron and grambling.. You and the 125 people at the rib fest, have a blast.. The rest of us will stay home and watch Division 1 football..
I see that the two of you still haven't bothered to answer either question....
I don't believe that any P5 team has only P5 teams on its respective schedule. That said, Stanford was pretty close (in hindsight and not considering how poor UCF is now). They had Northwestern, Notre Dame and UCF.
Notre Dame plays three non-p5 team in UMass, Temple and Navy.
Notre Dame plays three non-p5 team in UMass, Temple and Navy.
Well Baylor scores 65 ppg and they play in the b12 w/ a lot of top 25 teams unlike the ACC.
Just bc no one does it doesn't mean it's wrong to do.
I simply said I am against Pitt playing non bcs schools because it creates absolutely zero hype and for a school like Pitt it's a lose/lose situation. You beat them, well you're expected to, and if you lose, its the worst loss in history.
I'm not saying they should schedule powerhouse teams, (although once every few yrs ok) I'm saying middle of the road teams that would at least give Pitt somewhat of a test and would look a lot better on their resume.
Playing better competition makes you a better team, especially a team like Pitt who already is heading in the right direction.
MSU in bball is the classic example. They play a lot of quality teams early, which isn't the norm, but come tourney time they usually are the team you don't want to play.
The only thing beating cupcakes does is give you a false sense of who you are as a football team.
Exactly. Look at NC State this year! Being down here in Raleigh, all I heard after week 4 was that they should be ranked, etc. Now look.
I don't like the FCS games, but I think ideally it would be at least one traditional rival (Penn State/WVU) every year, 1-2 G5 teams, and one P5 home and home (or 4 games) like with Iowa. Plus sprinkle in Notre Dame here and there.
And you still haven't answered either question.
BTW, Michigan State hoops is a bad example. For starters, they still play their share of cupcakes (such as Maryland-Eastern Shore, Eastern Michigan, Arkansas-PineBluff). Second, for better or for worse, college hoops has become all about the tournament, which they still have enough gimmee wins scheduled to ensure that they make it.
Basketball isn't remotely comparable and MSU plays plenty of rent a win games.
No one does what you are suggesting. Why don't they? Because it is not only dumb from a wins/losses and program building prospective, but it would be financially irresponsible.
The other option hurts the funding of the program because we would lose home games AND add more losses.
I think what he's saying without singling out anyone is 'no more
@ toledo, ohio, fiu, buffalo, akron.'
@ toledo, ohio, fiu, buffalo, akron.'
I'm saying clean up these cupcake games...not too hard to comprehend that.
Not sure why you have this infatuation w/ playing high schools teams the first 2 weeks when 15k shows up.
if you're good enough you don't have to worry about losing to those teams.
And you can do a home and home w a lot of those teams.
Win against quality opponents is how to build a program, not schedule teams that you know you can beat. #pennstatelogic
Still waiting for an answer.....
Of course, you know you're wrong, which is why you keep going to the Penn State logic schedule, which no one here suggests Pitt do either.
There's a reason why nobody employs an OOC schedule like you suggest.
Of course, you know you're wrong, which is why you keep going to the Penn State logic schedule, which no one here suggests Pitt do either.
There's a reason why nobody employs an OOC schedule like you suggest.
Obviously playing ND is great, BUT it does make scheduling much more complicated. I don't mind going to MAC school to play, as long as we are doing a 2 for 1. No more one for one. MSU and OKST both played at MAC schools this year. Try and get the one MAC road game on years that we have ND at home. Other 2 non conference games are PSU/WVU and navy/army/G5. On non ND years, MAC, PSU/WVU, P5, navy/army/G5. Unbalanced ND schedule will make scheduling a challenge.
I don't know the answer to your question(I assume you do) nor do I care about what other teams do. I simply made the statement that I think there would be far more benefits to beef up our OOC schedule since it's not very good. If you think it's good for Pitt to schedule poor teams year after year just to get automatic wins then so be it. The end.
Well, at least you finally attempted to answer the first question.
Still didn't bother to answer the 2nd one; all I know is you're seemingly not in favor of playing Alabama and LSU.
But your 2nd sentence shows your obvious disconnect: An OOC schedule with Notre Dame and Iowa on it is hardly "not very good"
We both know I wasn't talking about ND or IOWA, I was talking about the ribfest game and the other 1-2 poor teams we play yearly... primary the ones during the beginning of the regular season.
Who would you like to play for the Ribfest game, YSU or maybe a team like Boise?
Also, next year, are you one of those people that thinks playing penn state is a bad thing bc we lose a home game the following year?
This discussion is all over the place, and I don't think anyone addressed what Barnes was saying. He wasn't saying anything about who he would or wouldn't schedule for games, and whether he wanted to schedule cupcake games, or not.
The operative phrase was "home and home." He will schedule a H/H with a P5 school, but not one with a non-P5 school. This comment didn't address who he would schedule for strictly home games, whether that is a P5, Group of 5 (which includes the AAC, Mountain West), or lower level schools (that came later). I think its a good move to only do home and home with P5 schools, if he can pull it off.
Here is his statement.
“We will not continue to play home-and-home with Group of Five schools,” Barnes said. “We will play them at our place as part of our scheduling plan. We will not play home-and-home.”
Instead, Pitt will only schedule road games against teams from the Power Five conferences – the Big Ten, Big XII, SEC, or Pac-12 – scheduling home-and-home series exclusively with those teams, rather than also scheduling home-and-home series with teams from the Group of Five conferences – MAC, AAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt, and Conference USA.
Regarding generally playing top schools and lower level schools:
While Barnes will likely be looking to toughen-up Pitt’s out-of-conference schedules – a frequent goal for athletic directors in the new College Football Playoff age – he doesn’t want to take things too far.
“It has to do with creating the momentum you need,” Barnes said. “You don’t want to overschedule. We’ve got crossover games coming up with the Clemsons, the Florida States. You’ve got Notre Dame in the mix. So, you want to have a chance to bring some balance and a bit of breathing room.”
The operative phrase was "home and home." He will schedule a H/H with a P5 school, but not one with a non-P5 school. This comment didn't address who he would schedule for strictly home games, whether that is a P5, Group of 5 (which includes the AAC, Mountain West), or lower level schools (that came later). I think its a good move to only do home and home with P5 schools, if he can pull it off.
Here is his statement.
“We will not continue to play home-and-home with Group of Five schools,” Barnes said. “We will play them at our place as part of our scheduling plan. We will not play home-and-home.”
Instead, Pitt will only schedule road games against teams from the Power Five conferences – the Big Ten, Big XII, SEC, or Pac-12 – scheduling home-and-home series exclusively with those teams, rather than also scheduling home-and-home series with teams from the Group of Five conferences – MAC, AAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt, and Conference USA.
Regarding generally playing top schools and lower level schools:
While Barnes will likely be looking to toughen-up Pitt’s out-of-conference schedules – a frequent goal for athletic directors in the new College Football Playoff age – he doesn’t want to take things too far.
“It has to do with creating the momentum you need,” Barnes said. “You don’t want to overschedule. We’ve got crossover games coming up with the Clemsons, the Florida States. You’ve got Notre Dame in the mix. So, you want to have a chance to bring some balance and a bit of breathing room.”
Yeah, you did. You said "[Pitt] needed to beef up it's OOC schedule because it's not very good"
Your own words.
That includes Notre Dame and Iowa. You know, half of Pitt's OOC games.
You seem to think that I want an OOC like want Penn State or NC State had this year.
I've made it clear that I do not.
That's as bad as what you want scheduled.
Pitt's OOC for next year is Penn State, Oklahoma State, Marshall, and Villanova. That's more than fine. And reading Barne's quote, he certainly agrees with me a lot more than you.
